Wedge issues..................#1

[Aussie_expat]

How do you propose removing the wedge from the abortion issue?

Abortion is not a wedge issue in Australian politics........ It's even restricted in some states. Yet those states still practice abortion virtually on demand.

How can the wedge be removed from the US political scene?

Suggestions please?

[ls317]

1. Wow

I am not a women,but yet I dont know to many females that are willing to hand over there uterus to the goverment

[Aussie_expat]

2. I am not suggesting that they do......... n/t

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[billbuckhead]

3. Question for Aussie_expat

Does Australia have many fundies?

[Aussie_expat]

5. Fundies....

IMHO, fundies are a growing segment of the Australian landscape, however I don't believe that they have made a showing politically as of yet.

Do you feel like everyone who doesn't support abortion is a fundie?

[Fovea]

9. Not everyone

only the ones who are willing to kill and subvert democracy.

[Auntie Bush]

11. Or are single issue voters.

[Aussie_expat]

13. Not sure what you mean......

by "only the ones who are willing to kill and subvert democracy."

Are you suggesting that fundies are willing to kill and subvert democracy or anyone who opposes abortion is willing to kill and subvert democracy?

[Fovea]

14. The Fundies are willing to kill and subvert democracy

because they want a sharia based theocracy, and are ready to kill for it.

[Aussie_expat]

15. googling "sharia based theocracy".....

will respond when I have a clearer understanding.

[Fovea]

20. Sharia is the Islamic sacred law.

and it bears the same relationship to civil law that
the religious right's vision of a 'Christian' society does to our secular democracy.

One of the greatest accomplishments of Athenian democracy was to create a mythos that explained why trial by jury was better than vandetta.

The fundies think that was wrong, and want God's law (as envisioned by such fevered fuckwads as 'Rev.' Fred Phelps) instead.

Google 'God hates Fags' for a further look at Rev. Fred.

[Aussie_expat]

21. I see what you are saying....

and I will google "God Hates Fags" but I am already sure "Rev Fred Phelps" cannot offer me any useful information.

Isn't most western law based on judeo-christian law?

Just so you understand my position fundies make me nauseous also.

[Fovea]

23. Your law and my law is based

on English Common Law, which goes back to Anglo-Saxon-Danish England.

It was more Pagan than Christian in many ways.

Such things as trial by ones peers, for example, and the medical necessity defense flow from it. Medieval Christian law was often unequally weighted toward clerics and the nobility.

The Norman reliance on the Roman Catholic church (the Celts and Anglish were quite a bit more independent of Rome) also took law and legal documents from the common tongue to Latin.
Indeed many medieval criminals memorized some key Latin verses (called hangman's verses) in order to be tried by ecclesiastical courts.

[billbuckhead]

12. No but fundies have played a big part in politicizing abortion in USA

[Aussie_expat]

17. Agreed....

Do you suggest that we attempt to remove the wedge by criminalising christianity?

[anakie]

4. however

let's wait and see what the nutjobs will do when they have control of the Senate from next month. Abbot, Andrews, et al are rubbing their hands with glee.

[Aussie_expat]

6. What would the nut jobs do..........

overturn RvW?

I personally think that the issue is more valuable to the right intact.

[terrible beauty]

24. Wedgies

It is time Dems started giving wedgies to the members of The W.C.P. (White Christian Party) Repukes.

As most of the opponents of Roe versus Wade also support mandatory sentencing
A question should be put to all those Reps and Senators that want to ban abortion.What should be the penalty for
(1) Having an abortion.
What is the mimium number of years should the woman serve in the penitentiary ?

(2) Performing an abortion.
Should it be a capital offence (Death Penalty) after all it is premeditated.

First post please be nice.

[Aussie_expat]

25. Nice first post...

good points also...

[DanCa]

7. Personal Choice vs Government Choice

The recent fiasco with Terri Schiavo - may this poor women rest in peace and please forgive me for using her name - showed that most Americans dont want the government in thier personal lives. Perhaps the powers that by can capitilize on this finding somehow.
As someone who is pro neutreal on the subject I also suggest that it be hammered home that it is perfectly ethical for women to have abortions under life or death circumstances if she (god forbid) winds up crippled or in the (brutal and disgusting) case of rape/incest.
Remember Jesus himself said that were not supposed to be scribes or phairasee on any subject. Unfortuantely for "some" people the lights are on but no ones home.
Also I would like to see the FCC or someone of the public deceny crowd do something to stop the culture of life crew from showing those awful abortion photos. Dont they realize how many kids they may wind up traumatizing by thier zealousness. If I were a parent and had a kid in the care passing by one of those terrorist tactic photos i would sue for emotional damage on behalf of the child.
Anyhow thats my rant on the subject and I would like to close with a paraphrase from George Carlin. "Have you ever seen the people who stand in abortion protest lines? You wouldn't want to Screw them any way."

[Aussie_expat]

8. Abortion Clinic's...............

A great place to pick up chicks....because you know they put out.

---Jay and Silent Bob

[Auntie Bush]

10. We need to stress the fact that birth control, morning after pill,

condoms, sex education and personal responsibility WILL result in LESS PREGNANCIES AND LESS ABORTIONS!

We need to re-frame our stance on abortions. Instead of stressing that we want abortion rights...we should stress that we are pro-life and want less pregnancies.

[Aussie_expat]

16. Great post......... n/t

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[DanCa]

18. Birth Control Pills question

I have a question please - forgive my ignorance. My niece has a severe bleeding disorder a form of hemophilia called Vaugh Willowbrandes (disease). The doctor has ordeedr her to take bcp to regulate her period once she starts. Now if these creeps get thier way and ban them - god forbid - she dies from blood loss havent they committed murder?

[Aussie_expat]

19. One can only assume ..........

that there are alot of "illegal" medications out there that could save peoples lives.

Think of the tragedy.

[Auntie Bush]

22. Wow...I can't believe you posted that!

My teacher mentioned she has a serious blood disease that her daughter has inherited. At this very moment she is in the ICU fighting for her life and has been in critical condition for a month. She had to have an operation and now they can't stop the bleeding! I don't know how it differs from hemophilia other than woman can inherit it. I assume it is less of a problem than hemophelia...unless you have a serious cut.

I wanted to look it up on the Internet(S) but didn't know what it was called. So thanks for the information. I'll look into it right now.

I'msorry I can't answer your question but if the Dr. recommends taking bcp's...be sure she does because it can be a life threating disease. I wish your niece the best of luck.

[DanCa]

28. Thanks

Thats what bugs me most about the embryo lovers. So many people are being hurt because of thier belief's in the name of the red god. Its positively sick .

[JHBowden]

26. Abortion rates went down *every* year under Clinton

Our ideas about family planning work, and we can't be shy about promoting them. I hate the "I don't like abortion but I'm for it" talk; it sounds phony. We should talk about our record of achievement instead.

[Aussie_expat]

27. Great idea...

I moved to the US in May of last year.

How was President Clinton able to decrease the number of abortions?