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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:39 PM
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Isn't it pretty transparent what Rove is doing?
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 05:58 PM by shance
Seems to me the White House and Karl Rove are doing what they do best: trying to pump us into warmode again by playing the 'our testosterone is stronger than your testosterone' routine.


Seems this is more smoke and mirrors to erase the truth and history about our storming into Iraq.

One thing is clear: there was no warm and fuzzy from either party happening after September 11, 2001.

There was only frantic, illogical, overreacting and overreaching. There was certainly no warm and fuzzy therapeutic inner child work coming from ANYWHERE.

Certainly Karl Rove knows is true. In fact, this is an obvious tactic used often against the Democrats. It has been used repeatedly to challenge us to show our MANHOOD, and to needle, jab and stab at us until we take the bait, and pull the trigger of war again ourselves, while the White House and others sit by and laugh that we have fallen for it once again.

Everybody with a brain (andrea mitchell*) can remember that both Parties went into fear/war mode and reacted like a herd of obedient shepherds after the 9/11 "attack" happened.

Worse case scenario is the Bush Administration is playing good Cop/bad Cop with some of our Congressional leaders to pump up war with Iran.

What better way to do that than to re-hash 9-11, and call the Dems wusses, and make up a bunch of "spittle" about how warm and fuzzy and sensitive the Dem leaders were at the time. Our mistake was in following the Republicans into war, just like they are attempting to pull on us again.

What was therapeutic and warm and fuzzy about giving the White House a blank check to demolish Iraq and what has been warm and fuzzy about turning the US into a surveillance society with the Patriot Act? Wheres the warm and the fuzzy? WHere are the therapists?

Actually I wish more of that had been true than this fight for who can be macho enough by both parties.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:43 PM
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1. It was an act of desperation. Their house of cards is falling down
It's always worked to invoke 9/11 before.

But now something is different.

Bush had his way and he FAILED. He is failing at EVERYTHING.

People are pointing the fingers at BushCo.

About damn time!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:44 PM
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2. Great point****Thanks.
n/t
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:45 PM
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3. I noticed that after Dean starting talking tough and honest--
Junior went into attack mode.

The Reps don't like it that the Dems are not maintaining the submissive, codependent role.

They puff up their chests, spout out abusive nonsense and hope that this will shrink us back into our mandated corners in a fetal position.

Sorry, Mr Rove. No one puts baby in a corner!!

This is all theatrics, because the Dems are starting to fight back.

Now, if we can just get Dick Durbin to stop blubbering and dabbing his eyes with his Garanimals hankey--I think we'll do just fine.

Go Dems! No apologies!

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:54 PM
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6. LOL!***Garanimal hankeys, huh?
I like that :)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:45 PM
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4. I say we counter with DSM commnents.
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 05:45 PM by Dr Fate
"Rove is saying this because he does not like the implications of the DMS- Bush was the one lying & being unpatriotic- so now Rove is simply projecting."
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:00 PM
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7. That's a great idea DF and a good reply***
n/t
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:53 PM
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5. During the election Bush's people admitted that it was better for them
when the American people are frightened. Of course, this just was ignored along with the other items that should have been splashed across the news headlines. Their MO has not changed, when they need a boost (now) they revert to reminding people of 9/11 and characterizing themselves as the "father protector" figure. This goes over well with enough people in this country - enough to reelect an incompetent liar
just so they can feel warm and fuzzy with their "leader" protecting them.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:21 PM
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8. the other shoe will drop soon
"...and it's the Dems fault we're losing the war in Iraq, with all their unpatriotic AlJazeera hopping!"

Shove the blame onto others loudly so as to avoid your own responsibility.

WHO WAS SITTING IN THE WH DURING 9/11??? IT WAS NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:13 PM
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9. Don't ask for a fucking apology. Strike back and hard!
http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/letter-democrats-should-send-to-karl.html

Here is a draft letter that all congressional Democrats should sign and send to Karl Rove, with a military enlistment form attached.

Dear Mr. Rove,

Your comments yesterday about the War on Terror seemed to suggest that you feel very passionately about defending America, and sending others into combat. As you know, America is facing a serious enlistment crisis right now, at the very same time more casualties mount in the Iraq War. Therefore, since you have said you are so committed to this war, I have attached this enlistment form from the U.S. Army for you to fill out and submit. You are still young enough to contribute to the military and to the frontline war effort you say you care so deeply about.

Clearly, if you support forcing others to risk their lives for your ideological beliefs (without even providing them proper armor and weapons), you will no doubt be willing to risk your own. And I am sure you would not argue that your responsibilities as a partisan political adviser to the president is more important than fighting in combat for your country.

Please let me know when you fill out the enlistment form, and drop me a line when you get to Iraq to let me know if your still believe we should be sending troops to die for a war you lied about.

Sincerely,
Member of Congress

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/note-to-chickenhawks-enlist-or-shut-up.html

A Note to the Chickenhawks: Enlist, or Shut Up

There are a lot of pathetic political hacks running around these days talking tough about fighting wars - and most of them have never fought in a war, avoided fighting when they had the chance, and have no family members fighting in our current war. When ultra-hawk Vice President Dick Cheney had the chance to fight in a war, he said he had "other priorities." When George W. Bush had the chance, he used his dad's name to get out of combat service. While Peter Beinart and the New Republic claim they truly believe in more hawkish policies, I don't see him or the magazine's writers lining up to enlist. And last I checked, the same Karl Rove who is attacking Democrats for questioning the management of the Iraq War, is the Karl Rove who has never served in the military in his life.

Now, as I wrote in a cover piece for the Nation magazine a while back, we shouldn't be surprised that these chickenhawks have no problem talking tough about war, while running away from it in their own personal lives. Tough talk about war, and criticism of those who oppose it, makes these pathetic souls feel stronger than they actually are - and they have used it quite effectively in the political arena.

But Steve Gilliard today really puts these chickenhawks in their place:

"If you will not serve in Iraq, and no one you know will serve, stop expecting someone else to do what you will not. Therefore, it is time to stop calling for more troops, or the US to make Iraq safe. We cannot do this and even Americans are refusing to join the fight. It is time to look at your actions and realize, that despite your ideals, you oppose continuing this war. In practical terms, you have decided that this war is not worth your life or anyone you know. And million of Americans have joined you in this decision. So, with this fact evident, it is time to call for US troops to withdraw from Iraq. Not save it, not add more boots on the ground. You have already voted by your actions. It is time that you match it with your words."


This is the way Democrats need to be talking about these issues – not cautiously asking for an "apology" from Rove. We don't want "apologies" – we want a real debate about this. That means it is time for Democrats to finally go for the throat and make clear that if you are going to vehemently advocate sending more and more innocent Americans to die in Iraq, you better be prepared to back up that rhetoric with some sacrifice of your own. And that goes especially for the inside-the-Beltway neocon crowd who makes decisions and spouts off opinions from the confines of the well-guarded cocktail party circuit, and thus never has to deal with the blood-and-guts ramifications of what they're talking about. If you are willing to ask others for sacrifice but evaded such sacrifice when you had the chance, and aren't willing to make any sacrifice yourself now - then sit down and shut up.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 12:30 AM
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12. Absolutely. If Mr. Rove is so anxious to put more Americans in harms
way, then its time for them to register.

Its exactly what Michael Moore did by going to the steps of Washington and asking for the Congressmen to sign their kids up.

We need to push this much harder.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:24 PM
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10. I like Ed Shultz's take
Rove plays bad cop

Bush gets to play good cop...

Old, stupid game that still works on the sheeple...
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 12:37 AM
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13. Bush won't play a good cop..
He'll cop out --- but he WON'T apologize for anyone.

Bush is TOAST.



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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:52 PM
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11. the 9/11 card is getting harder and harder to play
people are starting to ask questions; that is why they are pushing the "blame the liberals" garbage
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 12:40 AM
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14. exactly - the dsm debate is being pushed aside by Rove's pudgy dance nt
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