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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:40 PM
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My reasons why I refuse to support Kerry
Here's my reasons that Kerry is unworthy of my vote. I am ABB, to an extent.

- Robocalls pretending to be from the Dean campaign late at night. Dean campaign has confirmed that they don't make calls before 8 30am and after 8 30pm.

- Pushpolling has been confirmed. Kerry campaign was caught calling a Dean supporter telling that "dean is a wife-beating abortionist" on video during a documentary. Kerry still refuses to confirm this nor this person was fired.

- Kerry in one of those TV pundit shows saying that he is a centrist. Fact is, kerry is a liberal, Dean is a centrist.

- Kerry used Deans stump speech word for word on one of the rallies. That has been confirmed.

- I asked one simple question the other day about Kerry asking if Kerry proposed, crafted, fought for and saw a significant piece of legislation passed. I got sponsorships, awards, and accreditions, but nothing significant he wrote that was an impact in the US.

I'm sorry to say, but Kerry is dead last on my list of who to vote for, right next to Clark. I won't vote for Edwards because of his vote on an scumbag judge who wants to water down ADA, a law that I consider very important to me.


Hawkeye-X
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:42 PM
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1. no skull and bones ?
skull and bones is not among your reasons to not support him ?
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:57 PM
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16. as you know
I only support Kerry because he is a skulls and bones member. I've always admired world domination... :eyes:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:04 PM
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23. LOL !!! --- Good One !
:bounce:
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freetempe Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:34 PM
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32. You forgot...
Kerry voted to send more than 500 Americans to their deaths so Bush and Cheney could have their precious oil.

Kerry told Democrats to "quit crying in their tea cups" and to "get over it" after the Bush coup d'etat in 2000.

Kerry is exactly the Bush-enabling, spineless, Washington insider, that is going to get us crushed in November.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:43 PM
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2. Plus, he's tall and rich
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kerryistheanswer Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:45 PM
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3. Nothing you say has been "confirmed"
this is totally tabloid crap. you've been against kerry from the get go. you seem to forget that dean supporters went into kerry's campaign and tried to sabotage. btw - kerry's campaign did let go of that caller, who was a nineteen-year old volunteer. it wasn't something supported by the campaign.

kerry using dean's stump speech? that's a joke that i'd like for you to confirm.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:48 PM
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8. Confirmation right here....
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 02:49 PM by TLM
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/ThisWeek/Kerry_Dean_calls_040117.html

"The person who made the call is a young volunteer whose remarks were not authorized or condoned by this campaign," Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill said in a statement. "It's a terrible mistake for a young person to make, and he is apologizing to the person he called. While we appreciate his support, we have asked him to leave the campaign."

But the Dean campaign said it was under the impression that the call did not represent just one over-zealous volunteer speaking extemporaneously. Rather, the campaign said in the last day it had heard of Kerry campaign calls to at least five other Iowans reading from what it said sounded like a very similar script.

Dean campaign spokesman Jay Carson slammed Kerry for claiming to run a positive campaign while letting others do his dirty work.

ABCNEWS has spoken to another Iowa Dean supporter, Susan Alexander, who said she received a phone call on the same night as Astley, which sounded like it came from the same script.

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kayob1 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:26 PM
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30. About the guy who was fired?
complained in a letter to Murray earlier in the day that the two men claimed to work for Dean and approached the Massachusetts senator’s Creston, Iowa, office, earlier in the week asking about the operation. Norris said one of the men, Mitch Lawson, admitted Thursday to being employed by Dean and said they were trying to get their hands on "calling scripts."

Think about it.
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junker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:45 PM
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4. my issue is skull & bones repudiation since it seems that
most of the current financial machinations are 100% s&b controlled. This will waste the middle class and devastate those of the working class still with jobs.

If he can't/won't repudiate, I just don't know. It does go a long way in his favor that he was a co-founder of vets ag'in vietnam war.


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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:45 PM
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5. OK, wait
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 02:57 PM by Bleachers7
Robocalls? Proof would be nice.

Pushpolling? I saw the accusation, but I didn't see anything about a wife beating abortionist. Besides that, didn't Dean do abortions?

Kerry is a centrist or a liberal. Sorry for trying to in an election. Fact is, he can call himslef anything he wants. Just like Dean is running from liberal. Boo hoo

Kerry used Dean's speech? Proof? I mean it has been confirmed right?

You asked if Kerry sponsored anything and then you dismissed his whole career based on your bias for Dean.

I guess I helped you with your problems with Kerry. You can vote for him now.

BTW, did you notice that I proved you wrong on the Nick Baldick thing yesterday?

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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:59 PM
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18. Dean did not perform abortions .
nor bomb hospitals.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:46 PM
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6. Sources please
Other than the Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity channel.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:49 PM
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9. ABC news is the source for the tape
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 02:52 PM by dsc
It was evidently part of someone's documentary who was interviewing the recipient of the call. On edit there is also Mary Beth Cadhil who is Kerry's campaign manager. I don't think she works for Limbaugh in her spare time but who knows.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:14 PM
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28. But you will suport:
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 03:30 PM by Nicholas_J
Dean fire campaign workers
By Ed Tibbetts
Date posted: January, 8th, 2004


Howard Dean’s presidential campaign in Iowa fired two workers Thursday who were accused earlier in the day of trying to infiltrate rival John Kerry’s campaign.

In a letter to the Kerry camp, Jeani Murray, Dean’s Iowa campaign manager, said the two were terminated after an investigation prompted by complaints by John Norris, who is running Kerry’s Iowa effort.

http://www.iowapulse.com/2003/story99.html


From Glen Johnson at the Boston Globe:

In animated conversation on the floor of the US Senate on Wednesday, Kerry placed a hand on Edwards's shoulder and nodded in agreement as the North Carolinian spoke to him with visible passion. Then, pointing at the podium where the Senate's presiding officer sits, Edwards said to Kerry in a voice loud enough for a reporter in the overhead press gallery to hear, ''He got up there and lied.''

Edwards was referring to the speech Dean delivered to California Democrats last weekend, in which he stood at the podium at the party's annual convention in Sacramento and lambasted Edwards and Kerry by name for supporting the war. Dean, who has won a following with his antiwar pronouncements, sought to distinguish himself further by telling the delegates that both of his rivals had refused to stand by their position during their speeches to the crowd. The remark triggered cheers for Dean - even though he would later acknowledge it was wasn't true.

http://www.topdog04.com/000071.html

After lying about his past statements about raising the Social Security retirement age:

• He denied in debates this year that he once supported raising the Social Security retirement age or cutting the Medicare growth rate. He later said he had held both positions but no longer does.

• He claimed that he was "the only politician" who talks about racial issues before white audiences. He was wrong but said he wasn't.

• He accused an opponent, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, of obscuring his support for the Iraq war before a liberal audience. He was wrong and apologized.

• He said members of Congress would scurry for shelter "just like a giant flashlight on a bunch of cockroaches" if he won. Later, he said they know "perfectly well" he was not calling them cockroaches.

• He said the United States ought to pursue an "evenhanded" approach to the Middle East. He later said he didn't realize that was diplomatic code for sympathizing with Palestinians and denied abandoning U.S. support for Israel.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2003-11-11-dean-temperament-usat_x.htm


Dean Says He Misspoke on Social Security
NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean said Wednesday that he misspoke when he told the AFL-CIO he never favored raising the retirement age for Social Security benefits to age 70.

Dean acknowledged that he had called for such an increase when the country was faced with a deficit in 1995, but said he no longer thinks it is necessary. He said former President Clinton set an example of balancing the budget without raising the retirement age.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/6473340.htm






Not to speak of Dean's talking about providing a universal health care nationally, while stating in other places that he would not be able to do so until balancing the busget, and later stating that he did not think he would balance the budget for 7 years.

Or how about a candidate who purposefully distributes information about Bob Kerreys record, attributes it to John Kerry, and keeps distributing the inforamtioj after he knows it is false?

Dean Campaign Issues False Information on Kerry Record on Farming
Dean again shows bad judgment by not following his own advice and attacking fellow Democrats

December 30, 2003

For Immediate Release
Des Moines, IA -

Today, the Dean campaign issued a release regarding a letter sent by Dean supporter, Chris Petersen, Vice President of the Iowa Farmer's Union that criticized John Kerry’s record on farm issues. The problem: Once again Howard Dean gets it wrong.

It’s possible that in their rush to smear, they confused votes cast by John Kerry and former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey. And, the misfire failed to include Dean’s own dismal record of choosing corporate farming interests over family farms.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_1230d.html

And from the Des Moines Register:


"Now, four years later, we again have a Democrat U.S. senator from an industrial state running for president in Iowa who voted against the very same flood-relief legislation that would have benefited rural Iowans," said Petersen, a farm activist who was a Gore supporter in 2000.

Kerry's campaign cried foul, pointing to Kerry's vote in favor of an amendment by Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Ia., providing full payments to grain farmers for losses in the 1993 floods.

"For Howard Dean to resort to false information to cover up his own dismal record on family farms is insulting to the Iowa voters," said John Norris, Kerry's Iowa campaign manager.

http://desmoinesregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/23139955.html

Deans record on the Iraq ar is almost legendary, with Dean on two occasions stating that he would do pretty much what George Bush ended up doing in March of 2003:

Face the Nation
September 29, 2002

DEAN: Sure, I think the Democrats have pushed him into that position and the Congress, and I think that's a good thing. And I think he is trying to do that. We still get these bellicose statements.

Look, it's very simple. Here's what we ought to have done. We should have gone to the U.N. Security Council. We should have asked for a resolution to allow the inspectors back in with no pre-conditions. And then we should have given them a deadline saying "If you don't do this, say, within 60 days, we will reserve our right as Americans to defend ourselves and we will go into Iraq."



Repeated in February of 2003:

"As I've said about eight times today," he says, annoyed -- that Saddam must be disarmed, but with a multilateral force under the auspices of the United Nations. If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice.

http://www.howardsmusings.com/2003/02/20/salon_on_the_campaign_trail_with_the_unbush.html

Now an analysis of Dean's supprort of Biden Lugar:


Dean reminds us that he vigorously opposed the resolution passed by Congress. What Dean hasn't advertised is that he endorsed a congressional effort pushed by Sens. Joe Biden (D-Del.) and Dick Lugar (R-Ind.) that was very similar -- in substance and in outcome --to the resolution that passed both chambers in Congress. Indeed, John Kerry, whom Dean would have us believe was wildly off-base when it came to Iraq, endorsed the same Biden-Lugar resolution that Dean did.

The Biden-Lugar resolution authorized Bush to use force in Iraq -- unilaterally, if necessary -- if a diplomatic solution could not be reached at the United Nations.

Dean has argued that Biden-Lugar would have forced Bush to return to Congress after having exhausted diplomacy at the U.N. to seek congressional support for a military invasion. At a debate last month, Dean said, "he key and critical difference was that required the president to come back to Congress for permission."

Actually, Biden-Lugar doesn't appear to have made such a condition at all. The resolution, which never reached the floor of the Senate for a vote, simply required Bush to "make available" to Congress his "determination" that the Iraqi threat "is so grave that the use of force is necessary." The resolution had no provisions requiring Bush to seek "permission" to start the war.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/000940.html


Dean has run the absolutely most sleazy,most misrepresentative, lie ridden campaign of the second half of the 20th century, even exceeding Richard Nixon's campaign lies (Tricky Dickies lies came after the election of 1972)





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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:45 PM
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36. And my favorite from just days before Iowa:
Howard Dean, Jimmy Carter and Job
Howard Dean left Iowa to go to church with Jimmy Carter in Georgia.

Dr. Dean said last week that he was skipping 20 of the last 48 hours in the Iowa campaign because "when the former president of the United States asks you to go to church with him on the Sunday before caucuses, I think you probably take that up." But Mr. Carter said today that the visit had actually been Dr. Dean's idea and that he hoped all the Democratic candidates would make the pilgrimage to Plains "to kind of heal wounds and show that we can all worship together."

"I didn't invite him," the former president, wearing a bolo tie, told reporters and parishioners as he entered the church this morning. "He called me on the phone and said he'd like to come worship with me."

http://www.talkleft.com/archives/005587.html
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:48 PM
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7. Kerry Used Dean's Stump Speech?
Does anyone one have the text for comparison?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:50 PM
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10. Link please for your assertion:
"I won't vote for Edwards because of his vote on an scumbag judge who wants to water down ADA, a law that I consider very important to me."
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:51 PM
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11. Im having some trepidation about JK too. Especially after reading this:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2094235/

The instances of Kerry-bashing at the Globe are too numerous to cite here, but let's review some highlights:

In March 1989, reporter John Robinson mocked the newly divorced Kerry as "the Senate's Romeo," and wrote that Kerry "reportedly courted" the actress Morgan Fairchild "on the QT while dating another woman."

In March 2003, reporters Michael Kranish, Frank Phillips, and Brian C. Mooney reported that Kerry had tried to pass himself off as Irish to boost his popularity in Massachusetts, which has a large Irish population.

On Jan. 18, reporter Patrick Healy nailed Kerry for falsely claiming that he'd been endorsed by John C. Land III, the Democratic leader in South Carolina's State Senate. In fact, Land endorsed John Edwards.

As these examples demonstrate, the Globe's swipes at Kerry are sometimes cheap shots or outright wrong, and sometimes dead-on. By Chatterbox's rough estimate, at least three-quarters of Kerry's Globe problem is attributable to his own behavior.


I don't trust John Kerry. He always tries to have it *both* ways. He is not the man of integrity and leadership we need at the helm.
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:00 PM
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20. Who cares
about his personal life?

I can see some validity in bringing up the other talking points, but who cares who he dates and when? As long as the guy does a good job, he can date whomever he wants to. We're electing a President, not a Pope.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:10 PM
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25. Republicans do, and they'll use it against him. But your right, the other
issues are far more important.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:33 PM
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31. Gee only two
When I was in college I was dating 5 women simultaneously, since I made no committment to any of them. I know lots of people wh date more than one person at a time. Is quite common.

I suspect this will be the "BIG RIGHT WIND ATTACK" on Kerry's wild ways.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:47 PM
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38. Well I could care less, if you were open about dating other women
Was Kerry? That is the question here. Additionally, I find it ironic that the other issues slipped right on by...

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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:09 PM
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24. AHHHHHH
"In March 1989, reporter John Robinson mocked the newly divorced Kerry as "the Senate's Romeo," and wrote that Kerry "reportedly courted" the actress Morgan Fairchild "on the QT while dating another woman.""

Big Deal. I've dated a couple of men at the same time. This is a lame form of Clinton bashing

"In March 2003, reporters Michael Kranish, Frank Phillips, and Brian C. Mooney reported that Kerry had tried to pass himself off as Irish to boost his popularity in Massachusetts, which has a large Irish population."

That is an opinion as to his trying to make people think he was Irish. This topic has been hashed out a thousand times and there is no documentation when Kerry ever said that he was Irish. As far as his not knowing his heritage, I think we can forgive him for not knowing when his family hid it from him due to a suicide in his family.

"On Jan. 18, reporter Patrick Healy nailed Kerry for falsely claiming that he'd been endorsed by John C. Land III, the Democratic leader in South Carolina's State Senate. In fact, Land endorsed John Edwards."

It's such a stupid simple mistake that it is impossible to believe that it was done to mislead someone.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:20 PM
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29. Well I don't care about Johns personal life, but I do care about his
integrity or lack their of. And, if you don't think the Republicans will use Kerry's *personal* life against him I've got two words for you, Bill Clinton.

Regarding his Irishness:

Kerry's campaign used the *Irish* thing as a theme. They ordered Green signs and played it up big time. I'd say that's misleading. I don't care if Kerry ever said he was Irish or not, though as you know, that's debatable. I've seen prepared speeches where the claim was made. I don't know if he said it or not, but again, he mislead.

Regarding his *mistake*:

I believe they refer to these as *gaffes* now days dont they? Gaffe or a lie, it's not a good thing.

Frankly, I am looking for a man of integrity and substance, and that isn't John Kerry. I made up my mind on this watching him play both sides of the war issue, the article *among others* simply confirms what I already know about him.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:40 PM
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34. Gee
And Dean calls Carter to ask him to go to church with him in order to get a photo-op to shore up his flagging polls in Iowa, and then does every thing possible to give the appearance that Carter called him, which Carter immediately corrected"


Dr. Dean said last week that he was skipping 20 of the last 48 hours in the Iowa campaign because "when the former president of the United States asks you to go to church with him on the Sunday before caucuses, I think you probably take that up." But Mr. Carter said today that the visit had actually been Dr. Dean's idea and that he hoped all the Democratic candidates would make the pilgrimage to Plains "to kind of heal wounds and show that we can all worship together."

I didn't invite him," the former president, wearing a bolo tie, told reporters and parishioners as he entered the church this morning. "He called me on the phone and said he'd like to come worship with me."

http://www.talkleft.com/archives/005587.html
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:50 PM
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40. The topic of *this* thread is John Kerry, lets stay on topic shall we?
The ridiculous Dean smear has been discussed to beat hell.
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LBJBestEver Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 04:05 PM
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42. You smear Kerry <nm>
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 04:54 PM
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45. Weren't Wellstone's signs green?
That lieing, misleading, basterd!

Oh wait....
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 04:26 PM
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43. So what? He was single. Personal business anyway.
In our culture, there is no stigma to a single person playing the field.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:47 PM
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:54 PM
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12. I responded on your other thread with a valid piece of legislation
I guess it didn't merit any of your notice. As did others, actually.

Oh well. Looks like your mind is made up and I doubt I can change it.
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HazMat Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:55 PM
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13. So vote for Bush..
or Dean.. which would be the same as voting for Bush since we all know your boy would be crushed.. thank goodness Iowans were smart enough to buck the media and the establishment(Gore, Richards, Bradley, the unions etc). Makes me believe in democracy again.
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HalfManHalfBiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:55 PM
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14. Who the hell cares?
Your one vote probably won't turn the tide.
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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:56 PM
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15. I thought you were for Joe Lieberman.
You must be very fickle. I have to be confused.
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:57 PM
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17. You surely have the right to support
whoever you wish, but this post with all of the "reasons" that you won't is simply ridiculous. Robocalls specifically attributed to the Kerry camp? Word for word lifting of his stump speech? "Wife beating abortionist? I actually heard that the dis from that kid on Dean was that he was an "environmental racist" because of the Texas waste dump site.

Pick who you want. But making shit up is kind childish. Kinda like reporting that Dean lost Iowa cuz the Johns were "mean".
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:59 PM
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19. well, if you say this stuff is confirmed...
that's good enough for me.

Don't bother providing links, we're all friends here. :-)

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:03 PM
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21. Pleaaaaase reconsider!
Or not...

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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:03 PM
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22. What happened?
You were so for Joe Lieberman.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:11 PM
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26. You should probably provide some links to your "proof" or you're
going to get flamed unmercilessly by Kerry supporters.

"Dean campaign has confirmed that they don't make calls before 8 30am and after 8 30pm." doesn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned. That just means it wasn't Dean's camp, which we already knew. If you have proof it was Kerry, please provide said proof.

I'd also like to see proof that Kerry used Dean's speech word-for-word. This is the first I've heard/read of this accusation.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:13 PM
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27. And non Kerry supporters
You don't have to be a Kerry supporter to know this is a pile of mud.

:boring:
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:43 PM
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35. As a matter of fact
Have you noticed how out of desperation, the supporters of an ex-front runner are loading DU with unsubstatianted claims about the new front runner, and pretty much refusing to provide any valid sources.

The only sources they have been able to provide have been from Fox News, which they vigorously demanded be pulled as coming from right wing sources whenever they were used to point out things about that ex- front runner.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:34 PM
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33. Agree totally. nt
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:54 PM
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41. Maybe a little harsh there?
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 04:54 PM
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44. Oh again with that ONE judge!
I wish someone would ask Edwards to his face about that ONE vote for that ONE judge.

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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 05:47 PM
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46. Locking
8. If you make a factual assertion about a candidate that is not generally accepted to be true, you must provide a link to a reputable source to back up your claim.
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