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1. Stupidity and arrogance |
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4. you said it brother. nt |
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58. A whopping AMEN on that one!! |
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President Sanctimony Vice President Ignorance Secretary of Defense Materialism Secretary of State Blind Nationalism etc etc etc
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22. always on, electricity 24/7 |
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23. Willingness to hate them back. |
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Islamic terrorists really, really hate liberalism. So we can add them to the (very long) list of people who really, really hate liberalism.
What is it about other people enjoying themselves that make so many people hate?
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30. septic systems - and that's a good reason to be envious |
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31. ability to watch SEC football. |
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33. According to the Pentagon, they hate us for our POLICIES! |
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37. They don't hate us for "our anything". Hate is based in fear.They fear us. |
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When FDR said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself, he meant that the only thing that really could bring down the great America was fear. America is safe in the world when people respect us. We are in danger when people fear us. Fear makes you a threat. We were a threat to the Nazi's and japan. We could beat the Depression when it was every man for himself because fear of poverty bread selfish behavior. Only ending the fear with help or with defense saves us.
They hate us because they fear us.
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They don't hate us because they fear us. They hate us for our unconditional support of Israel, our troops on their holy land in Saudi Arabia, and our ignorance or denial of those facts.
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57. no, all hate is based in a perceived threat. You obviously don't like all |
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of the things that you mentioned and yet you are not bombing buses and soldiers and innocent civilians. What you describe is not hate. That is a disagreement. Hate is based in fear. Period.
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But I don't fear them and therefore want to bomb them. PREJUDICE is based in fear of the unknown...not hate IMO.
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Prejudice is the feeling that makes you declare a man guilty until proven innocent. Hate is that thing that wells up inside you makes you kill the man who is declared innocent of murdering your young child. Prejudice is the feeling that makes you insult a gay man. Hate is feeling that makes you beat a gay man to death rather than simply insult him. Prejudice is refusing to serve a black person at your lunch counter. Hate is what makes you string that same person from a tree for the latest crime committed in your town.
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No-I HATE them. I don't fear them. Your definition of hate CAN be right, though, such as in the dictionary:
Main Entry: 1hate Pronunciation: 'hAt Function: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hete; akin to Old High German haz hate, Greek kEdos care 1 a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b : extreme dislike or antipathy : LOATHING <had a great hate of hard work>
But so can MY definition.
So it's USUALLY derived from fear, but it can also be derived from anger or extreme dislike. So it IS the same thing as extreme dislike, but even more. And I believe the reason "they" hate us is because of anger or sense of injury due to our foreign policies like I originally stated.
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40. asshat in a cowboy hat. |
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44. Gays, Birth Control, and Porn. nt |
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With no specific offense intended to the Bronx Bombers. But they have had an embarrassment of riches since Day One. When you're consistently on top, you're naturally a target and an object of intense emotion.
Go Angels! :thumbsup:
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46. Liquor, alternative lifestyles, and questioning natures |
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47. Extremely Large Penises |
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51. They hate us for our power |
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They are maniacal killers, and we are a convenient, "justifiable" target. If we entirely left the Middle East, they would still hate us. Terrorists are sick, sick human beings who kill for the pleasure and excitement. They're no better than the Nazis. It's embarassing when people here try to justify terrorism.
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I don't think anyone here is trying to justify terrorism. Terrorism, in all its forms, is hateful, brutal, cowardly and unjustifiable. Insofar as it is possible to stop it, it must be stopped.
But know that terrorists do not kill for just "pleasure and excitement." They have grievances, some legitimate and some not. But blowing up innocent people is not a legitimate way to air those grievances, or to make onself heard.
And sadly, I would have to categorize our government's killing of 100,000+ Iraqis as a form of terrorism, also. That mass killing has hatched an untold number of sworn enemies for decades to come.
The world is a tiny place now -- global leaders must learn to lead their people beyond killing if we are to survive.
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52. belief the rich should pay their fair share. |
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You are talking about the repugs aren't you? ;)
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53. Superiority Complex n/t |
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54. 80 years of fucking up the mideast |
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55. Totalitarian Dictatorship. |
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56. conspicuous consumption |
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64. ethnocentric tank ego |
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66. Actually, they don't hate us .... yet |
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They hate our government. They hate our leadersip. They hate our monkey in his man suit.
But I don't think they hate us .... yet.
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71. exploitation of developing nations |
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72. quest for world domination |
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74. Have you considered the possibility... |
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75. ok, what would be the proper word? |
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I'm uncomfortable with seeing this as hate or blind rage. It's a bit too close to the good/evil paradigm the right is pushing with respect to our current fight against terrorism. It also seems to speak to the philosophy that says that if we simply make the middle east like us, the terrorism will stop. I highly doubt that making nice to the Middle East would stop Osama bin Laden from being a terrorist. It might vary his targets somewhat, but maybe not. For him, Western cultural influence is every bit as much a threat as military or political influence - hence the Taliban's distaste for all forms of mass media that might "degrade" their glorious 12th century cultural project.
If you look at Osama's overriding goals, he's not really selling expulsion of the Americans from the middle east as the end-point of his struggle. It can be seen more as a means to his true end, which is to change the political, cultural, and economic landscape of the Muslim world to something resembling a cross between medieval Europe and the old Muslim world. In this context, he's certainly using hate as a tool to achieve his goals, but that hate is nothing more than a tool. It isn't the root cause of the problem. In my opinion, the root of the problem - the thing which enables Osama to foment hatred of the US and use it for his own means- is the schizophrenic and dysfunctional nature of Arab society brought on by the Oil boom and its associated political, social, and economic changes. Saudi Arabia strikes me as the most bipolar society in the world. Bipolarity is every bit as socially unhealthy as it is emotionally unhealthy.
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I don't think we really know what Osama's goals are, other then what the corporate controlled media tell us. I am sure we are not being told everything by those media. As far as i can see there is every indication that hate is being fostered on both sides, by those who stand to gain from it. In that scheme Osama is merely one of the tools. Even without that i think it is to be expected that some people 'on the other side' do have plenty of reason to actually hate us (though not so much because of our freedoms), and have their actions guided by that hate. Whatever their precise feelings are, i think we can be sure they ar not happy about what our governments have done and still do to them. I think most of the negative feelings towards the US and "the west" are warranted because of all the bad things that we do in the world. Otoh i think that most of them are as much a victim of what's going on, as most of us are.
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