DLC, DLC, DLC, DLC. You are all being distracted. Focus please.

[cindyw]

NO wonder Rove is so successful. You all fall for any distraction that comes along. Keep focused here or we deserve to lose.

Iraq War
Al-Qaeda war
2006 elections
Rove/Valerie Plame
Roberts
Freedom

[Q]

1. It's not a distraction...

...because the DLC supports/promotes/ignores/covers up many of the issues you listed.

[cindyw]

5. Yeah well if your not listening to them then who cares. They have no

power to change the subject. But all you people wasting most of the page talking about the evils of the DLC have completely taken the focus off the important topic. Cause guess what? If you stop talking about those things, no one will. Rove will just sit there laughing his big ass off while you all in-fight and he is slowly undermining Fitzgerald's credibility and investigation right under your DLC shouting noses.

[KoKo]

15. Do you understand the differences in the Democratic Party and why they

are so important that they take up this page? Two failed elections, election fraud, loss of both houses in Congress and loss of mid-term elections back into Clinton's terms.

That's a FAILED POLICY. If one doesn't look at the failure then how can one expect to ever win again?

[cindyw]

17. I'm not even arguing with you. Ive been insulted by you enough for a

year in the course of the election. Thank you very much.

[KoKo]

18. Excuse Me? I don't even know who you are? I certainly don't recall

ever replying to any post of yours or insulting you. :shrug:

[cindyw]

19. You know what its not fair for me to bring up something your not likely

to remember and I sure can't recall in detail. I just know there are 3 or 4 names I see on the DU and I cringe to argue with those people because their screen names bring back memories of being trashed personally for my opinions and my support in the primaries. I usually have more restraint than to reply, but today I am in excruciating physical pain. I certainly cannot hold you accountable for something I cannot prove.

[kerrygoddess]

32. Too much KoolAid not enough reality!

Sorry, but the issues speak for themselves. And sorry, but there are more damn moderates in this country than left liberals and fundie conservatives. Fact not fiction.

Hillary is actually doing a fine job of trying to ditract everyone right now. That much I will give you. She has no business pushing her 08 intentions right now.

[Mass]

2. Thank you for a voice of reason!

[GRLMGC]

3. It's certainly a rare thing nt

[MisterLiberal]

29. Sure, that's it

Pay no attention to Al From behind the curtain, lining his pockets with corporate money.

No story here.

Go back to your roles as puppets and do what we SAY!

/sarcasm

[Mass]

36. Or whine and rant and do nothing else

You are just giving way too much importance to this guy, and therefore reinforcing his power.

I actually care about issues, and will support whoever I agree with, and for sure it's not From, but the incessant whining is totally useless and powerless.

You are doing what he says in fact and ignore Bush, BTW.

[Al-CIAda]

4. Rove is successful. Missing on your list is the real reason.

It should be #1. Open, accountable impartial/fair administering of elections...

Democracy has been stolen.

[cindyw]

7. well theres another perfect example of this. The Kerry/Dean in-fighting

during the 2004 election let Rove walk away with stealing the election.

[Al-CIAda]

8. I don't believe this the case at all. In fact, I dare say

this site played a large role in the Conyers support & 2004 contesting of the election. Who let Rove walk away? Well, it wasn't the rabble.

btw- I was referring to the future, not the past. I have no faith in the electorial process.

[cindyw]

11. I just wish the people here were more consistent. Sure the Conyers thing

yes. But here we are today and all anyone can talk about is DLC. There is a scandal bigger than Watergate boiling over and it is no where.

[Jim Sagle]

22. No, it was the Democrats' lack of spine that did that.

[Robbien]

6. Yep.

started clicking 'hide' button on every DLC thread

its a purposeful distraction

now off to click hide on this one.

[Bucky]

9. DLC, shiny objects, ooo-look, it's the Goodyear Blimp

*snap, snap*

--huh? Where am I? What's going on?

[LittleClarkie]

34. Butterfly!

(chases after)

[lvx35]

10. Its good to talk about change if its constructive.

I think there's good changes to be made. But if its criticizing, forget it. I don't care.

[welshTerrier2]

12. sorry ... you're dead wrong ...

i couldn't be more focussed on the Iraq war, for example, than i am ... i've written hundreds, if not thousands of posts on the subject ...

fighting for power WITHIN the Party, because many of us do NOT believe those in control of the Party represent our beliefs, is NOT at all a distraction ...

Hillary Clinton actually stated she doesn't know what to do about Iraq because she really has no idea what's going on over there ... you say we should keep a focus on the real issues ... i agree ... and fighting against elected Democrats who keep voting to give bush more and more billions for his imperialist, PNAC agenda in the Middle East seems like a very good start to me ...

if the conservatives currently in control of the Democratic Party will not represent mainstream Democrats on so many critical issues, they need to be ousted from power ...

[cindyw]

13. Its all real easy. I could care less about Hillary or the DLC. They

have no power over me. So I don't care. It's all a shiny object of distraction. No one cared about Hill and the DLC a week ago.

We need to focus on defeating Republicans. The infighting can happen when we have control of the Congress.

[welshTerrier2]

20. it doesn't work that way ...

at least not for me ...

i will not be voting for Democrats who keep voting more money for bush's insane occupation of Iraq ... it is time to leave ...

your statement: "The infighting can happen when we have control of the Congress." tells me i should just be a good little Democrat (ABB?), keep my mouth shut, and just go along for the good of the Party ... well, my friend, been there; done that ... i will not be repeating that mistake again ...

if the Democratic Party wants my vote, my work and my money, i'll be more than happy to discuss the issues with them ... i hope i can vote for Democrats in 2006 and 2008 ... but i will not do so, at least not for Democrats who are not progressives, unless major changes within the Party are made ...

[bvar22]

21. You couldn't be more wrong.

The DLC will be crucial in determining whether you and your children can find a decent job, or have access to decent HealthCare, or have access to Social Programs if you need them. The DLC's continued insistance on supporting Free Trade will determine YOUR quality of Life for the next 50 years unless we can derail their "Corporate Profits above ALL ELSE" steamroller.

I have been concerned about the DLC since before I was a DU Member, and usually write about it weekly.

BTW: I multitask.

[wli]

14. I'm not distracted, I just call it like I see it

When the DLC comes up, I say "fifth column" and similar. I don't really care to focus on it or bring it up out of a vacuum.

Your list is a bit lacking (the "wars" are pure bull and the governmental lies and crimes behind them are the real issues), but there's agreement in principle.

[Tux]

16. Each DUer

Has a cause. We can't all support so many causes at once. As long as someone is still focusing on something, things will happen.

[Jim Sagle]

23. The DLC ain't much of a distraction. In fact, the DLC ain't nuthin' but

shit.

[leesa]

24. Thank you. I agree completely.

[flaminbats]

25. didn't ya know? this is why the DLC was started..

How much does the DLC accept in donations? How could this same money be used if donated to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the DNC, or your state Democratic Campaign Committee?

The DLC was logical when Democrats controlled Congress, most state governments, and even the White House. But since 1994 the DLC has only drawn limited time and resources away from winning elections. Name one Democratic candidate who won with the assistance of the DLC, name a single DLC television or radio ad that has helped our political candidates!

Bill Clinton would have won with or without the DLC, Kerry would have lost with or without the DLC. The more time and money we spend on the DLC, the less we have leftover for helping actual candidates. The DLC is great at suggesting compromises, working out deals, and providing ideas for governing..they are useless at motivating voters, criticizing incumbents, and winning elections for Democrats.

[usregimechange]

26. Amen!

[Redneck Socialist]

27. Hmmmmm, let's see the DLC...

Supports the Iraq War
Supports the so called "War on Terror" TM
Will run as republican-lite in '06
Has been ignoring Le Affair de Plame
Will vote to confirm Roberts
And hates us for our Freedoms

Nope no problems there, we should continue to let them sail on their merry way, unexamined...:sarcasm:

[pocket]

28. Quislings are not a distraction

they are an obstacle to be overcome

[Writer]

30. Because, once more, people vote by emotion

and not reason.

[Guaranteed]

31. Yes. More specifically, they vote on trust.

The sooner we learn that, the better.

[LittleClarkie]

33. but we hates them, my precious

Nasty hobbitses...er, DLCerses.

[snot]

35. Sorry I'm so ignorant, but could anyone summarize for me

. . . who's behind the DLC, and what in fact have been its most important initiatives or undertakings to date?