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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:57 AM
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Conyers to *: No pardons for anyone convicted of blowing Plame's cover.
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 10:06 AM by paineinthearse
Received by email 7/27. I've been away, but a search for a post in DU came up empty. Pardon this, if a repeat, but no pardons for Abrams, Rove, Libby or Card!

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No More Pardons for Traitor-gate Criminals

Convicted Previously of National Security Crimes, Elliott Abrams Joins Rove and Libby as Latest Figures Newest Figure in Traitor-gate

Dear ():

Did you know that Elliot Abrams, pardoned by the first President Bush for the Iran-Contra crimes he committed under the Reagan Administration, now works for the Bush White House? And has been implicated in the leak of Valerie Plame's covert identity?

I have sent a letter to President Bush asking him to say right now that he will not pardon anyone found guilty of criminal offenses related to the disclosure of Valerie Plame’s CIA cover. Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald may indict senior White House officials in this case. Join me in demanding that the President not pardon anyone found guilty in his administration who compromises our national security! To send your own copy of this letter to President Bush by email,(click on link in text box below).

Our goal is to get at least 10,000 people to email the White House and we will post our tally updates daily on the JohnConyers.com website.



http://johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7bB8736AFE-46F8-4994-81E7-7ECB674DE91D%7d

Dear Mr. President:

I write in order to seek your pledge that you will not pardon anyone who has worked or is currently working in your Administration pursuant to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution in the event that any such individual is either prosecuted for, or convicted of, a crime in connection or relation with the disclosure of Valerie Wilson's identity as a CIA operative or any related matter.

Your handling of the Valerie Wilson matter already demonstrates lowered standards of ethical and legal behavior. On July 18, 2005, you changed the threshold for terminating your staff from leaking the identity of Mrs. Wilson to the necessity for an actual crime to have been committed. Moreover, you have refused to respond to a request by Congressman John Conyers and 90 other Members of Congress that you ask Karl Rove, one of your top advisors, to either disclose his role in the outing of Mrs. Wilson or resign and, indeed, have allowed him to remain on your staff without doing so.

On repeated occasions, you have permitted your staff to mislead and/or lie to the American people in connection with this matter without disciplinary consequences. For several years, your press secretary, Scott McClellan, assured the American people that neither Mr. Rove, I. Lewis Libby, nor Elliot Abrams were involved in the leak; just this past month, however, we learned that both Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby were sources for Ms. Plame's identity. Mr. McClellan remains undisciplined for his statements. I am therefore concerned that these low ethical standards foreshadow future actions on your part that will allow individuals responsible for this breach of national security to evade accountability.

There is little doubt that outing an intelligence operative is one of the most serious offenses under our laws, as it endangers not only the operative, their family, and their employer, but jeopardizes other operatives and intelligence assets, and our nation's security. To do so during a time of war for purposes of a political vendetta makes the offense far worse. That is why when in connection with the drafting of our Constitution, Alexander Hamilton wrote, the "power of pardoning in the President has . . . been only contested in relations to the crime of treason."

I hope you agree with Mr. Hamilton that there is no justification for using pardon powers in any way to insulate those who would commit such acts of disloyalty against our nation.


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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:58 AM
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1. How I love Conyers nt
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:59 AM
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2. bad links
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:07 AM
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6. Fixed
The link in the text box works. I've removed the link from JC's blog entry.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:59 AM
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3. Conyers is the bomb! Would that he could be elected president! n/t
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:07 AM
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7. I say, lets elect him!
even if we have to write him in as president and boxer as veep!
They'd be the pair the country deserves, in spite of itself.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:13 AM
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10. I've been saying Conyers/Boxer 2008 for awhile now.
NGU.


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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:57 AM
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11. I've been saying it for a while too. But DUers keep informing me
that they make great senators but are unelectable as far as the executive is concerned. I think Conyers and Boxer might be very exciting to a lot of people. I guess they'd scare the pants off of the corporate oligarchy, media and racists/mysogynists and others are afraid of a McGovern type of loss or a Kennedy type of assasination. I would love to get a chance to vote and work for them!
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:35 PM
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17. I've been saying Boxer/Conyers for a long time
But they're welcome to work that out among themselves. ;-)
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:02 AM
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4. Done
NoFederales
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:04 AM
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5. Abrams was also involved with the OSP-AIPAC spy scandal.
After Larry Franklin, the Iran desk officer in Feith and Wurmser's Office of Special Plans (OSP) handed over classified documents to two AIPAC lobbyists, they went directly to Elliot Abrams and discussed with him where to take them next.

I do not know why Abram's wasn't indicted along with Franklin. Does anyone out there have that piece of information?
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:18 PM
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14. I heard rumors the AIPAC investigation had merged with Plamegate
Any idea if that's true?
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:36 PM
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18. Taking Down the Neocons
"...Now it appears that someone is starting to ask the right questions, and, indeed, has been doing so all along. Israeli spying in the Pentagon has become the subject of an investigation by the office of U.S. Attorney Paul McNulty, in the Eastern District of Virginia, which led to the indictment <.pdf> of Pentagon Iran analyst Larry Franklin. Two other defendants – Steve Rosen, a longtime top official of the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and his aide, foreign policy director Keith Weissman – are expected to be indicted shortly. The charges involve passing top-secret information to the government of Israel: word is out that American law enforcement wants to talk to any Israeli diplomats who may have been involved with these transactions or may have knowledge of them. It's no secret that the Israeli diplomat directly involved is Naor Gilon, chief political officer at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, who has been mysteriously recalled just in time to avoid having to claim diplomatic immunity..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1974150&mesg_id=1974150
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:09 AM
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8. Too bad Bush is going to continue
to do whatever the fuck he pleases.

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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:25 PM
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15. Yeah, like asking the Wicked Witch to play nice. But I love Conyers
for getting it out there; it needed to be said.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:09 AM
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9. This man needs to run for president
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:58 AM
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12. Come on du'ers ! This needs action! eom
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:39 PM
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13. Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution
Clause 1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:27 PM
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16. Done!
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:56 PM
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19. kick
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 05:56 PM
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20. Pardons have life-long consequences
SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-20-05 06:08 AM
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Now we know the true consequences of "going easy" on Iran Contra
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 06:10 AM by SoCalDem

Had the Dems (who DID control both houses of congress) pressed harder, and not contented themselves with the idea that GHWB (the wimp) would be easygoing, and inconsequential...well things would be very different now.,

Had Reagan/Bush gotten their just desserts for Iran Contra, and all the dirt been exposed, they would have left office, fully disgraced..GHWB probably would not have even gotten elected..Carter would be held in higher esteem...and There's no way in HELL that *² would have gotten appointed to the white house

The appointments to the SCOTUS that were made by GHWB would have been made by a democrat..Kennedy..Souter..Thomas would not be on the bench, and we would not be facing a right wing court for the foreseeable future.

The democratic party has always hated "piling on", and has been ready to "forgive and forget".

Look at all the key players in this administration.. Almost all of them have their roots in the Iran Contra Days, Grenada, Panama, and many other republican schemes.

We do ourselves and the country a great disservice when we let the "bad guys" off with a slap on the wrist.

republicans have no shame.. they wear their crimes like badges of honor..and like the energizer bunnies, they just keep on coming back..

This is why we cannot let Rove off the hook, and strong language and actions are necessary..

The only thing that republicans DO understand is PUBLIC HUMILIATION, and jail terms.


If you DO wrong, you need to be punished..not just turned out of office to go lick your wounds until next time



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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 08:45 PM
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24. Well said, SoCalDem.
:applause:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 06:01 PM
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21. Done (nt)
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 08:34 PM
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22. done. nt
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 08:43 PM
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23. Done & thanks! n/t
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:48 PM
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25. Go Johnnie! Go Johnie!
luv that man!



:loveya:



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