'The angry left' thug memme - however shall we refer to them in kind?

[dave123williams]

"The smirking right?"

[Coexist]

1. the "corrupt conservatives"? n/t

[atreides1]

2. Nazi Lite

[havocmom]

3. ex-husband used to do horrible things to provoke me then call me names

when I finally got angry. What worked best was to ignore the bastard who acted like a two year old, go on my own and find solutions to the problems of surviving and prospering. Managed to improve my lot, make new friends/allies, try many new things, met challenges well, built on success and became a happy, well balanced, well functioning person.

I suggest the liberals, Democratic Party, useful Americans should try the same. You do not win in an argument with a name calling antagonist. You win by addressing issues with solutions and better methods.

Not saying we let people lie about our candidates, we confront ALL lies and refute them with fact, but wasting energy on engagements in name calling in general is lowering to their level. Better we show people we have solutions and methods to the problems of surviving and prospering.

The best revenge is to live well. The best stratedgy is to remove anger from their arsenal by offering real solutions to issues affecting the people and then pointing out that the GOP does not seem interested in participating in solving the problems facing most Americans.

[jean]

5. this is such good advice, thanks for sharing your experience. As an

example, how should 'we' handle Limbaugh calling Major Paul Hackett "a staff puke" yesterday?

Or in the broader sense, from your perspective of having dealt with a destructive bastard for a long time, is there ANY way to handle the 'swifty' strategy of the right wing - that of demolishing our honorable military vets? It seems almost enabling, to let their smears stand.

:patriot: From your post: "The best strategy is to remove anger from their arsenal by offering real solutions to issues affecting the people and then pointing out that the GOP does not seem interested in participating in solving the problems facing most Americans."

That statement should stand as it's own thread - it's a topic deserving nomination and one we desperately need to talk about!

[havocmom]

10. Best thing to do with Limbaugh, O'Rielly and their ilk: Ignore them until

they cross the line and lie. Then beat them into irrelevance with the truth and go back to ignoring the daily spew of name calling and emotional vomit they do.

You are NEVER gonna change the minds of their die-hard followers. Those followers are not gonna engage their brains and free will. Sad, that last part. For all the preaching, too many are eager to commit the blasphemy of not using their God's magnificent gift of free will.

But to make a point of taking offense at and actions in regards to the daily verbal diarrhea of winger pundits is just a waste of time, energy AND serves to give them more importance than they deserve.

Pay attention and then pounce when they lie/distort. Provide accurate truth and dismiss the rest of their on air farting.

[kwvining]

19. I totally disagree

People listen to these guys by the millions. FIGHT BACK! Call their shows, call them liars. Email their advertisers when they insult you. Let mediamatters.org know when they broadcast falsehoods. FIGHT BACK! ignoring them only makes you ignorant.

[sandnsea]

22. Exposing lies isn't attacking

There's a difference. We should expose them as liars, and then get on with the business of the American people.

[havocmom]

29. Thank you

[sandnsea]

20. "swiftboating"

It now has a name and they don't like it when they're accused of it. So when they attack, you point out that they're "swiftboating' again, and turn it around on them. You cannot debate lies, the second you do, the issue becomes the lies instead of the liars.

[kwvining]

24. That's a good one, I'll use it today on the forums where I tangle

[havocmom]

30. Excellant

Thank you for logical and useful suggestions to use to re-set the agenda.

[CWebster]

7. Maybe so, but that doesn't mean ignore the intent

sort of like asking Afro-Americans to shrug off "nigger".

[havocmom]

8. You will note, I advised meeting lies with truth. Nowhere did I say be a

doormat. But to take your comment a bit further, how did Afro-Americans move forward in the US? By DOING and facing the issues, proving the name callers wrong and foolish. Dignity and perseverance. Staying on task and not letting bigots and idiots define the people or the agenda.

Take a page from the Big Dawg's book. He did not let them slide when they attacked with nonsense, but he did not let their attacks define him by spending a lot of time and energy dealing with their name calling.

Now all the court stuff, he had to deal with and that was sad. Think of how much good could have been accomplished had he been able to spend that time & energy on policy. A good thing to point out to others: time spent defending pointless attacks is a waste of resources.

We can work together to solve problems in this nation or we can slide downhill hurling names and casting aspersions. Seems a lot of voters are really tired of the foolishness as America slides toward third world
class barriers and economy.

[CWebster]

9. Nice words

but you do know that European Jews were often accused of walking to their deaths with dignity and cultured civility?

[havocmom]

11. ::sigh:: We are not talking the same thing here. I do not even advocate

non-violence when you face a violent foe, and am known in my area as a 'gun totin' liberal'.

What is the point of engaging in name calling, which is the original subject of this thread, with idiots? Better to expend energy thwarting their masters' agenda.

When they lie, knock the shit outta them with truth. Pound them with it. When they make policy/legislation which is detrimental to our nation and people, fight them loudly and with all you have.

The ones who behave like 'good Germans' are Dems in office who roll over and rubber stamp policy instead of fighting for what they believe in. Why do they do it? Afraid of becoming targets of the verbal attack machine. And how does that help America? It doesn't.

The way to beat bullies is to kick the daylights out of their lies and threats with truth and courage.

I never, never advocate backing away from an legitimate fight. I do NOT see the point in letting them set the agenda by responding to all their petty and silly name calling. We have more important fights to win than to come up with a better slogan every time they have a meme.

Shove the truth down their throats and up their asses. Make them irrelevant and get on with showing America how to solve problems. THAT is what Americans want to hear!

[kwvining]

23. I agree

Time to drop all opposition to the 2nd Amendment. If you are not there yet, I reccommend that you listen to Michael Savage for an hour. I will guarantee that after you hear him calling for concentration camps for liberals, you will change your mind, especially if you realize he has 10 MILLION LISTENERS. And don't tell me the rest of those pigfuck fascists like Limbaugh don't want the same thing. I will never, never, never forget the Limbaugh show I heard, with Gingrich as his guest, where they said clear as day that their object was not to disagree with the Democratic Party, it was to DESTROY IT. I have been a gun toting liberal ever since. Buy an AR-15 tommorrow, and protect yourself from jackbooted GOP stormtrooper thugs.

[havocmom]

32. Um, you sorta missed my main point

Which is there is middle ground between engaging in name calling like the wingers and being a door mat or rubber stamp, like too many in Congress.

Real power is not having to respond to idiots like Limbauch and the Newt when they talk a talk they cannot walk. Real power is knowing you have it and don't have to haul it out at every preceived threat. Save the firepower for REAL threats.

And, uh, welcome to the DU, I think.

edited for typo

[CrispyQ]

4. The Obnoxious Minority

1. Very annoying or objectionable; offensive or odious: “I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution” (Ulysses S. Grant).

2. Archaic. Exposed to harm, injury, or evil: “The town... now lies obnoxious to its foes” (John Bunyan).

3. Archaic. Deserving of or liable to censure.

[DinahMoeHum]

6. "self-righteous hypocrites" ??

:shrug:

[havocmom]

12. Now THAT works. It's honest and to the point.

[wiggs]

13. Why shouldn't we be angry? Let's change to angry PUBLIC though... nt

[kwvining]

14. We don't fight back enough against this stuff - especially Right Wing Talk

Radio. For example, there is a nasty little fascist named David Gold, who has been fired from about three different stations, who now pulls the weekend shift at KSFO in San Francisco, and is used as a fill-in guest host by all the fascist talkers. His claim to fame is his shortening of "Democrats" to "rats". Thoroughout the broadcast, its "the rats say this" and "the rats do that". Last week he was guest host on WBAP in Ft. Worth. Here in Houston, they had him as guest host on KPRC on Election Day ("the rats are doing well in district 6....", etc). Michael Savage does it a little more subtle calling us "demon rats". The guy I would most like to meet in a bar, Chris Baker of Houston's 740 AM, calls us "Al-quedacrats". Now folks, this means the sponsors of these guys, who are people like Walmart and Discount Tire, are paying these guys to call my 97 year old grandmother a rat, and to call all of you "alquedacrats". Why don't we have some area on this site where we can post sponsor lists and the insults we here? The only way to stop this shit is to hit them in the wallet - innudate the sponsors with emails telling them that you don't plan to buy any products from someone who is paying someone else to call you a fucking "rat".

Here are some links:

My IP is banned from this site, so feel free to troll this bastard David Gold in my place. What I was doing was that on any thread where the gang over there was calling us "rats" got a good dose of me calling the RePiglicans PIGS.

http://www.davidgold.com

Here is the list of advertisers for WBAP, the station that used this guy as a guest host a few weeks ago, announcing they were trying him out for full time employment. Feel free to email WBAP, especially if you live in the Dallas/Ft Worth area, or email their advertisers.

http://www.wbap.com/advertiserinfo.asp

We need to do something similiar with that scum bag Savage.

[kwvining]

18. Correction

The editing period expired - the web site is actually www.goldtalk.com. If you ever wanted to see a site where racist homophobes like to hang out, that's it. Give 'em hell.

[Al-CIAda]

15. 'Rabid right' -nt

[Vickers]

16. The Violent Majority

:eyes:

[Redleg]

17. Damn right some of us lefties are angry. Anyone who isn't angry isn't

paying attention!

[tedoll78]

21. I got it - The Whiny Right.

They have it all, and yet all they do is WHINE WHINE WHINE.

Whoever heard of a persecuted majority? Sheesh..

[iconoclastNYC]

25. "Radical Retrograde Right"

Alliteration is your friend.

[aspberger]

26. they are at a lower

stage of emotional, spiritual, and intellectual development. We mustn't insult them because some day the light bulb will go on in their heads,a shift will happen, and they will make an appointment for corrective surgery on their sphincter after years of being duped and screwed by miscreant repuke hogwash.

[bunkerbuster1]

27. "Neocon Death Cult" works for me.

[barbaraann]

28. The Brainwashed Right

n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

31. The BULLY Right

It evokes the image of someone being abused for a long time with no punishment for the perpetrator, but scores of angry dealers of the Law pop up from nowhere when s/he finally dares to react.

And that's exactly what's happening.

[ProudDad]

33. The wrong-right wing

[MsUSA]

34. I'm mad as h*ll and I'm not going to take it anymore.

:mad: Wish more felt like that too.

[elehhhhna]

35. The Mepublicans.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

36. I think the problem is not

that "angry left" is inaccurate - most people on the left *are* very angry at present - but that the use of it makes it sound as though being angry in response to the current state of American politics is a bad thing. I'd say that quite the reverse is true - I'd suggest that the best rejoinders are along the lines of "complacent", making it clear that it's not being angry at present that is a vice.

[TankLV]

37. The "smug" right - or "sellout" right. No - the "CRIMINAL" right wing.