Ohio: Were the votes counted accurately?

[the other one]

It pretty much went the way I figured: overwhelming support for a democrat translates into a narrow win for the republican. The question is, are the election results an accurate reflection of the will of the people, or did the machines steal another one.

[NoPasaran]

1. When a 70% Republican district gives us 48%

I find it hard to get too suspicious.

[expatriot]

3. true dat n/t

[kwolf68]

6. really

///

[Rene]

38. Someone sent this to me --- Ithink it's fantastic info to share

Dear Red States...

We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and
we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington,
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We
believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to
the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We
get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You
get Ken Lay.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay
their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian
Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single
moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war,
and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you
need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're
apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they
don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming
home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up,
but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of
the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and
lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's
quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent
of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S.
low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy
and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and
MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88
percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs),
92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes,
90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists,
virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones
University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless
we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that
evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11
and 61 percent of you crazy b*****ds believe you have higher morals than
we do.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed
they grow in Mexico.

Peace out,
Blue States

[NoPasaran]

48. I suggest you send it back---it's divisive bullshit

And it's already been posted about three hundred times---often in threads where it seemed vaguely relevant.

[Kolesar]

2. Some references would be nice ... eom

[the other one]

4. OK: Ohio is known to use hackable Diebold machines...

These machines are widely suspected of having influenced the outcome of the 2004 presidential election.

Do you need more references?

[Kolesar]

5. You came up WAY short

Only about 8 Ohio counties use DRE EVMs. None of them are in OH-2.
Why don't you recitate what machines and counting apparatus was used yesterday?

[the other one]

7. Please enlighten us all

and stop being so snarky about an opinion poll!

[Kolesar]

47. snarky yourself

[donsu]

8. voting in america is a waste of time and money

as long as the criminal bushgang is in power voting will be a waste of time, money and energy.

[Telly Savalas]

36. Yes. Let's all boycott elections!

That'd stick it to the radical right.

[Chipper Chat]

9. Food for thought.

Jay Leno, in one of his monologues about a year ago, said it best:
"The most recent presidential poll has Kerry at 48% and Bush at 46%. Well-we all know what that means - BUSH WINS!"

[Botany]

10. He was running 50 50 until

Claremont County had to shut down because the humidity caused the
voting machines to go bad ........ And what do you know the final 3% of
the vote total runs overwhelmingly for Schmidt and the the end count
is 48 to 52.

Please. I am willing to bet you that the machines and or tabulators were in
air conditioned buildings.

[MercutioATC]

11. You do realize that Claremont County is Schmidt's home turf, right?

geez..she's bound to do better there, no?

[MercutioATC]

13. .

.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. Does that mean that Al Gore won in his home state in 2000?

We was ROBBED AGAIN!

[MercutioATC]

22. No, Gore wasnt even popular in his own home state...

Claremont County is a dark red zone. It's not suspicious that she would have prevailed there.

[Hubert Flottz]

24. Gore's state is as humid as Ohio.

GORE WON!

[MercutioATC]

31. I suppose I asked for that...

...some people never give up...

:eyes:

[Hubert Flottz]

43. The ones that "Give Up" Now, are...

VERY unpatriotic!

[Hubert Flottz]

44. GOPers always need to sweat the relative humidity more than

anyone else, because any one of them would screw their own mother, to win an election. :eyes:

:wow: :silly: :dilemma: :popcorn: :yoiks: :evilgrin: :beer: :hi:

[Botany]

20. Hummidty?

they do have A.C. there ........

[BamaLefty]

12. It Sounds Fishy...

but with no current evidence- I have to vote clean win for Schmidt

[eridani]

34. NO EVIDENCE FOR EITHER ONE IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM, DAMMIT!

Why this stupid fucking passivity about demanding public oversight by all interested parties of the tabulation process?

[Imagevision]

32. I find it remarkable that these voting problems are merely explained off

and the sheeple just buy into it?? can there be that many stupid people in Ohio? and then using humidity as the problem it's even more fucking ignorant!

[MercutioATC]

14. That's it, I'm buying stock in R.J. Reynolds...

Tinfoil futures are looking like a good bet...

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

18. Not to be a pain in the ass or anything

Reynolds aluminum foil is manufactured by Alcoa. R.J. Reynolds is a tobacco company.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em!

[MercutioATC]

21. No pain in the ass at all. Alcoa it is!

I stand corrected. Obviously, my point remains the same.

[damntexdem]

16. Hey, it's Ohio, home of Diebold.

I don't believe any election returns from Ohio.

[Redleg]

17. "I don't know" should be a category.

I don't know if the votes were counted correctly. Given Ohio's recent problems with elections I am a bit concerned.

[flpoljunkie]

26. It's not just Ohio. It is everywhere we are voting as a article of faith!

Everywhere, that is, except where they use paper ballots and hand count them. It's the "mother" tabulating computers with their proprietary, secret code that are the problem--no matter the voting system--from punch card to opti-scan to touchscreen.

[Walt Starr]

19. Based upon the results of the election, if fraud was committed

then the Demcorats committed the fraud.

Sorry, but that's the fact in this one.

[eridani]

35. So you personally watched the vote tabulation there?

If you didn't, how would you know? It's perfectly plausible that Hackett might lose narrowly in a heavily Repub district, but I still don't get how blase people are about the fact that there is no public oversight of the counting process.

[brentspeak]

23. You should a third option: Not Sure

The lack of transparency with today's voting makes me question every election. It could have been on the up-and-up, but there's no way for me to know with certainty.

[flpoljunkie]

25. How about a third choice. How would we friggin' know!

With proprietary software code in the tabulating computers, whether you use punch screen, opti-scan or touchscreen, it is an article of faith--period!

[Robeson]

28. Exactly. There is no way of knowing.

[theboss]

27. Overwhelming support?

A Dem had not won there since 1980. Dems haven't gotten above 30 percent in years.

Frankly, if you looked at the numbers in a vacuum, you would think that the Democrat cheated.

In football, This would be like the Central Michigan suddenly having a 21-20 game with Michigan.

[ProudDad]

29. Yes the votes were counted relatively accurately

but the election was invalid because of the repuke machine's concerted effort to disenfranchise potential dem voters. Their primary tool this time was to limit access to voting machines in dem districts and flooding the repuke districts with machines.

You don't have to mis-count the votes when you've created 8 hour lines in the black areas...

[bvar22]

30. Didn't vote in the poll.

It is probable that Schmidt won, HOWEVER, there was a SEVERE problem with this election that deserves (demands) a thorough investigation by outside, impartial Parties.
I SUPPORT an investigation.

I AM surprised that so amny here are more than willing to gloss over the problems and quickly certify the results.
There are HUGE problems with accurate and fair voting in OHIO (and elsewhere).
This DESERVES attention and public spotlight.

[eridani]

33. You left out the correct third option--

--which is "Howthefuck can anybody possibly know unless there was some public oversight of the tabulation process?"

[Goldeneye]

37. I need a "I'm lost, someone hold me" option.

I seriously have no clue. Looking at the results for clermont before and after the machine malfunction things seem to be about right. But why are there always power outages and trouble with the machines?

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

39. I said no, but what can I say? I am skeptical.

[Writer]

40. I'm not saying that there isn't the possibility that fraud occurred...

but I do hope that we start finding new battle cries other than "we was robbed!"

[eridani]

42. We already have one, haven't you heard?

Count all the votes under public supervision from all interested parties! Voter verified paper ballots! You gotta problem wid dat?

[Sean Reynolds]

41. Man you guys are funny!

It's fraud because a Democrat didn't win a REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLD!

Guess what! Provo City, in Utah, hasn't elected a liberal..EVER! I guess it's fraud, right?

Guess what! Salt Lake City, in Utah, hasn't elected a Republican mayor since the 1970s. Must be fraud, huh?

Do you honestly believe a right-winger could walk into San Fran and win an election?

Why do you expect Hackett to walk in and win an election in a Republican county?

[T Town Jake]

45. What's that you say about Provo City!?!...

...FRAUD IN UTAH! GET SCREENSHOTS!

:sarcasm:

[Swamp Rat]

46. No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!

Another stolen election and a shit-load of Kool-Aid drinkers! :eyes:

[rman]

49. not very likely, since nothing has changed. nt