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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 03:52 AM
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Is George Bush Jr. the scapegoat for Dick Cheney and the PNAC?
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 03:54 AM by shance
more information on the PNAC.

"Thanks to the controlled corporate media, most Americans have no idea who these people are. PNAC members hold dozens of key positions in the Bush administration. They are never identified as being members of PNAC.

There is never mention of their common affiliation and history.

Oddly, the one non PNAC person in the White House is George W. Bush. He is the outsider.

Research this group and you will find that many of these key members of the Bush administration were once known in Washington as “The Crazies!”

These men - and women, who have been connected to several past administrations, supported agendas that were so radical that that they were kept out of positions in which they could really do some harm. Today, they direct, and control the foreign & military policies of the United States. That is not an exaggeration. Keep this in mind when you get to the rumor mill portion of this blog.

This being said, let’s understand there is a pretty good chance that there are people who know a great deal more about the power brokers behind our government than the average American. Many of you might be ahead of the curve on this and may have read up on the topics I mentioned. You may also have listened to or read the works of Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Meria Heller, Whatreallyhappened.com, David Ickey or others on the Internet. There is a great deal of information about these power brokers out there for those who really want to know.

Sadly, many people simply dismiss these sources as the ranting of crackpots or conspiracy theorists whose information is not credible. They do this without ever considering the validity of what is claimed.

(snip)

So, why not take this approach with other vital issues such as those involving the government?

It might be an essential strategy for becoming more open-minded and ultimately more aware of what goes on in this very complex and confusing world.

The PNAC crew, formerly know as the "Crazies", control a virtual dictatorship.

As we speak, there is no oversight or accountability in the Bush administration. Those in power do pretty much whatever they want. Their march into Iraq was a prime example of the way they do business. The world stood still as the administration, with the help of their corporate adjunct, the mainstream media, convinced the American people that Iraq was to be feared. This was a ludicrous claim that was almost laughable. Iraq was a smashed and defeated nation with no military to speak of, that had undergone 12 years of crippling embargoes and 12 years of bombing raids and they were the ideological enemy of Al Qaeda. There was nothing to fear, but fear we did so that phase one of the PNAC plan could go into action.

Don’t believe for a moment that the PNAC crew that took control of our government will ever let go of that power.

They waited too long and planned too hard to stop in their tracks. They assumed power by stealing elections and reaping the benefits of the “new Pearl Harbor” they themselves said they needed. On September 11th, 2001, these not-so-crazy men went into full gear.

Think about it.

From: http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=78



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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 03:57 AM
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1. But Jeb is PNAC.....
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 03:58 AM by FrenchieCat
George is too stupid to know anything.

The man is "playing" president, as far as I'm concerned.

Why you think he's looks unhappy today....they, the PNACers, just changed Bush's "War on Terror" to a name that he can't pronounce.

Little Georgie has always been not more than a Patsy. A mean spirited one at that, but a Patsy through and through!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 04:07 AM
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3. I wonder if he's mean spirited because he knows hes being used?
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 04:11 AM by shance
It's a thought and a question.

And or, if there are others in charge, how much power or say does George Bush Jr. even have?

Some have proposed if he was pressured into running for president.

Of course he's still responsible for his actions. Question is, how much were HIS actions versus those that surround him?

It seems more probable and/or realistic now that we may be ignoring those who are much more responsible than George Bush Jr.

Is he the distraction and/or scapegoat while others continue on with their global agenda?

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 04:09 AM
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4. It seems more appropriate that Jeb would be PNAC.
He's seems to be the one obsessed with domination, control and certainly martial law. Just observe at what he's inflicted on Florida.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 04:00 AM
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2. PNAC itself is merely an AEI front
There's a bit more going on here than just PNAC.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 04:24 AM
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5. David Icke thinks reptilian shape-shifters from outer space are behind
all the machinations.
Several of the people you mention (Rense, Jones) have distinctly right-wing views. Though they are primarily entertainers in my view who will say anything to sell their books and videos or attract listeners. In other words I don't consider them 'really' dispassionate seekers of the truth.
Many theories involving 'secret societies' go back to the era of the French Revolution. The 'illuminati' is often used as a code word for 'Jewish banking conspiracies'.
I don't dismiss these gentleman out-of-hand but rather because I think they're full of it.
PNAC is real, AEI is real, CFR is real. The interpretations of Jones are laughably bizarre seeing as they involve the idea of human sacrifices, the worship of Lucifer, etc., et al.
I encourage you to look around at this site:http://www.publiceye.org/
It's got a lot of info about far right 'conspiracy' theories and info about the Right wooing the Left.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 06:46 AM
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6. W. is mean spirited and a bully too
But, he's little more than a frat boy. He's not as dumb as many of us make him out to be, but Bush has been a failure at nearly everything he's ever tried. These PNAC guys believe in utilizing malleable politicians and concentrating true power and strength behind the scenes. So yes Bush is definitely getting used. On the other hand, the true believer Neo-Cons aren't wholly owned by business the way Dick Cheney is, they are simply, pure ideologues. Cheney is a rat, he'll do anything to survive and amass resources. The other factor is Bush is a completely bought and paid for whore to big business. PNACers are slightly different, they are mainly foreign policy ideologues, this is where you begin to see a contrast between pure ideologues and the purely greedy. Much of it stems from the American Enterprise Institute, the rest from influential lobbyists like Grover Norquist, and big business. More than anything, Bush isn't so much a tool as he is a total whore, because he could never do any of this himself. If that makes him a scapegoat then I guess he is a scapegoat. But, he is useful to all of these parties, so they need guys like him around. Another good example is Dan Quayle. A dim-witted malleable politician whose chief of staff was the Chairmen of PNAC and noted Conservative writer William Kristol. How much do you want to bet Kristol was whispering all sorts of goodies into Dan's ear which eventually came out of his mouth? The hard-line PNACers are losing a lot of their influence now though. Big business types will beat the true believers any day.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 06:52 AM
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7. Well I would say the President thinks like them so does-----
much of the right wing of the GOP. Just because these people are in power does not make them right but just powerful.We have about 7000 years of history to prove that.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 07:01 AM
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8. Rense.
You may also have listened to or read the works of Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Meria Heller, Whatreallyhappened.com, David Ickey or others on the Internet. There is a great deal of information about these power brokers out there for those who really want to know.


Am I to assume that you are in agreement with his denial of the holocaust, then? Just because he argues with the liars doesn't mean he isn't a liar himself. And in Rense's case, it's worse.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 07:06 AM
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9. It might be wise to take some of the spotlight OFF little george*
and spread it to the Republican Party as a Whole.
george* will be gone in 3 years. We need to destroy the Evil Machine.

You have a point about the scapegoat thing.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 07:07 AM
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10. Read American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips
Bush an outsider? The Bushes have been central players in the military industrial complex since WWI. The usurper may be a stooge and liar, but he's no outsider.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 03:30 PM
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14. Seems it's Bush Sr. who's the true insider. Bush Jr. appears to be the
convenient catalyst for Cheney and Bush Sr.

I think they are the ones Americans whose actions should be receiving more focus and attention, and concern.

Look at the recent trip to Saudi Arabia. It was George Sr. and Dick Cheney.

Seems George Jr. is a distraction for Americans while business keeps going behind the curtain so to speak.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:13 AM
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11. Funny you should mention that...
When I discovered W was the outsider I thought it apropos he was reading "My Pet Goat".

Not only is he the sole (well one of the few) outsider in the WH (Powell was also an outsider, I think Rice is as well) he was the only outsider in the primaries leading up to 2000.

The other thing I can't figure is why the Dems have been silent. They should have been batshit crazy publishing the connections. *That* is why we lost the congress, and the WH.

-Hoot
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 12:54 PM
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12. He is their ass-puppet. In 1965 neocons said they needed a prissy,
black & white thinking, Patrician to be their elected President. And they found him.
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TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 02:00 PM
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13. Bush is no victim by any stretch
Bush may not be the brightest bulb, but that doesn't mean he's motives are pure. C'mon, this is the same guy who knows there are serious violations of the Geneva Convention in Iraq, and looks the other way and winks. He explicitly or implicit encourages treason by letting Plame's leaker go unpunished. He LIED and allows his people to continuing LYING about why we're in Iraq. American troops are dying, he doesn't care. That's evil.

Make no mistake, this guys's as evil as they come. As far as I'm concerned, whether or not he's a memeber of a neo-con group has no bearing on his capacity for evil.

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