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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:13 PM
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Astroturfing and sock puppets....you just never know.
When things are extraordinarily divisive and hateful, a few things to remember.....things are not always as they seem.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Astroturf%2C+astroturfing
"Creating the impression of public support for an organisation by paying people to act as if they're members of the public supporting the organisation. When really, the whole thing is staged.

For online posts, creating these false public identities can be as easy as signing up for a free email account and creating a fake name, however for newspapers and writing to Attorneys a more complete identity must be made. In the case of Microsoft, it's involved using the identities of dead people.

The name astroturfing for false public opinion is a joke on the term for genuine public opinion of "grass roots" support for an issue."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet
A sock puppet describes an additional account created by an existing member of an Internet community, sometimes to manufacture the illusion of support in a vote or argument. Other reasons include a desire to support or vote on an issue coupled with a desire to have one's "main" account stay away from the issue. This behaviour is sometimes seen as being dishonest by online communities and as a result these individuals are often labeled as trolls.

Another type of sock puppet is sometimes referred to as a “straw man sock puppet.” They are created by users with one point of view, but act as though they have an opposing point of view, in order to make that point of view look bad. They will often make poor arguments which their “opponents” can then easily refute. This can allow them to essentially make straw man arguments. Such sock puppets thus become a personification of the straw man argument which their creators argue against. They often act unintelligent or uninformed, and may behave in an overtly bigoted manner. The effect is often to obfuscate the debate and prevent a serious discussion of the arguments from each side. Suspicion of such sock puppets is often harder to verify though, as there are often people who naturally behave in such a manner with the same effects.

http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/A/astroturfing.html
astroturfing: n.
1. The use of paid shills to create the impression of a popular movement, through means like letters to newspapers from soi-disant ‘concerned citizens’, paid opinion pieces, and the formation of grass-roots lobbying groups that are actually funded by a PR group (AstroTurf is fake grass; hence the term). See also sock puppet, tentacle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
Astroturfing
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
In American politics and advertising, the term astroturfing pejoratively describes formal public relations projects which deliberately seek to engineer the impression of spontaneous public reactions to a politician or political grouping, product, service, event, etc. by many diverse and distributed individuals acting of their own volition, when in fact the efforts are centrally coordinated.

The term, said to have first been used in this context by former Senator Lloyd Bentsen (D-Texas), is wordplay based on "grassroots" efforts, which are truly spontaneous undertakings, largely sustained by private persons (and not politicians, government, corporations, or public relations firms). "AstroTurf" refers to the bright green artificial grass used in some sports stadiums.

Astroturfing is carefully designed to appear as though it is the result of popular feeling, rather than a coordinated campaign, perhaps by spin doctors, or through a front organization.

Examples of these kinds of practices can be found throughout recent political history. Some might suggest that the campaigning techniques of certain non-governmental organizations also embrace aspects of astroturfing.

http://www.greenmediatoolshed.org/training/MediaTrends/AstroTurfing.adp
Astroturfing - Fake Grassroots Media Outreach

"There has been an explosion of interest in the idea of "Astroturfing". Astroturfing is using technology and mass communication tricks to artificially create the appearance of a grassroots movement supporting a position.

Additionally, there has been a rapid growth of companies that specialize in artificially creating the appearance of a grassroots movement. The larger problem for the movement is that as the costs of these services drop, the impact of genuine grassroots work is cheapened. (ie...weighing letters or simply counting call volume). "



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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:16 PM
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1. Good info. Thanks.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:18 PM
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2. thanks for posting and kicking EOM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:21 PM
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3. Kick because of a hell of a lot of it going on here right now.
:kick:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:28 PM
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4. Tentacles as well.
http://jargon.watson-net.com/jargon-print.asp?w=tentacle

tentacle: n.
A covert pseudo, sense 1. An artificial identity created in cyberspace for nefarious and deceptive purposes. The implication is that a single person may have multiple tentacles. This term was originally floated in some paranoid ravings on the cypherpunks list (see cypherpunk), and adopted in a spirit of irony by other, saner members. It has since shown up, used seriously, in the documentation for some remailer software, and is now (1994) widely recognized on the net. Compare astroturfing, sock puppet.

Pseudo
http://jargon.watson-net.com/jargon.asp?w=pseudo


pseudo: /soo´doh/, n.


1. An electronic-mail or Usenet persona adopted by a human for amusement value or as a means of avoiding negative repercussions of one's net.behavior; a ‘nom de Usenet’, often associated with forged postings designed to conceal message origins. Perhaps the best-known and funniest hoax of this type is B1FF. See also tentacle.


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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:36 PM
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5. Armed with RNC Talking Points and Sock Puppets
Repeating RNC "talking points", OxyRush, O'Reilly, etc. make all RW board posters look like "Sock Puppets". You read them and think they must be just pretending to be that dumb.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:36 PM
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6. Yes, many tombstoned DUers brag about having sockpuppets....
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 01:57 PM by ClarkUSA
at other websites that regularly trash DU and its administration while imbibing Kool-Aide about their own candidates.

It's sad that many of these sockpuppets are easily identifiable when they just continue to create the same disruptions they did to get them tombstoned in the first place.

Fortunately, DU has a great base of grassroots activists and supporters from every spectrum.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 01:57 PM
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7. Sockpuppets come in all sizes and colors.
Sometimes they come here just to cause dissension where some peace is trying to be made. I excuse it on no one's part. BUT there is a difference....some sites just hide when discovered.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 02:08 PM
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8. Sockpuppets here are either tombstoned DUers or FReepers, IMO
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 02:18 PM by ClarkUSA
As for websites, there are many private organizations across the blogosphere who have them. They have a right to their privacy, especially if they are the target of repeated hostile trolling or illegal hacking, as is often the case.

As for sockpuppets, that's a fact of political blogging during these partisan times.

I just wish it wouldn't happen amongst Democrats but it seems that there are as many leftwingnuts as there are rightwingnuts.

Let's get on with working towards winning some seats in Congress for 2006.

By the way, thanks for your dedicated updates on Dean's activities as DNC Chairman. It's always good to read them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 02:41 PM
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9. I wish they were only limited to sock puppets.
That would be hopeful. It is the psuedos that affect us well.

Pseudo
http://jargon.watson-net.com/jargon.asp?w=pseudo

pseudo: /soo´doh/, n.

1. An electronic-mail or Usenet persona adopted by a human for amusement value or as a means of avoiding negative repercussions of one's net.behavior (and today's version is forum users)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 02:48 PM
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11. Yes, it's sad isn't it?
But this is just part of the partisan political atmosphere we live in nowadays.

Humans can be very perverse.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 02:45 PM
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10. Define "ASSPuppet!". Got to do with using anal types as patsies
because their sphincters close so tight you barely have to do anything to make them spew hatred & contempt and prissiness. Bush is one. Rove & Neocons the masters.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 03:15 PM
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12. Straw men, oh so popular.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_argument
"A straw man or man of straw is a dummy in the shape of a human created by stuffing straw into clothes. Straw men are used as scarecrows, combat-training targets or swordsmiths test-targets, effigies to be burned, and as rodeo dummies to distract bulls.

As a rhetorical term, "straw man" describes a point of view that was created in order to be easily defeated in argument; the creator of a "straw man" argument does not accurately reflect the best arguments of his or her opponents, but instead sidesteps or mischaracterizes them so as to make the opposing view appear weak or ridiculous."

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