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VIHMH5L50P Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:44 AM
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UPDATE ON VALERIE PLAME CASE. BUSH & CO. ARE TOAST (VALERIE, I LOVE YOU!
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:00 AM by VIHMH5L50P
Merry Early Christmas to you all!!! (and with a Christmas like this, I couldn’t handle any more for the rest of my life). Thank you Tom Flocco (his article below) and now TIME and Newsweek are starting to break this. If there’s any integrity left in America, this should explode as the biggest scandal ever.

A big chain reaction is about to unfold probably leading to this statement being true before X’Mas: “Bye bye Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Gonzalez, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Card, Scalia, Renquist (yes them too) and many many more (and since Roberts was appointed by one NOW officially so tainted as black as Bush is, probably bye bye to him too). Bush and most of those people’s indictment is already filed under seal.

I don’t get it, why isn’t EVERYONE on this story, potentially the biggest of our lives!

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP, I’M NOT USING A WEAK SOURCE (ACTUALLY THERE’S SEVERAL GOOD ONES though the goddammed mainstream media has been totally silent, until today, check TIME and Newsweek, see explanation below), OR JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. This has been out all week in the internet under the radar. This has been going on even longer behind the scenes.

The MSM were hinting Rove might go down and I didn’t get it, now I see THEY didn’t get it, it’s a lot more serious than just Rove. That it was just Rove was pure spin. We all knew how serious things were, we just didn’t suspect someone was going to really act on it!

This explains why the Valerie Plame story is such a huge deal. It was always about Bush, but evidence in it also clearly got connected to other major issues too, like the frauds behind 911, Iraq, Mena, Arkansas, and the 2000 election.

THE INDICTMENTS ACTUALLY CONNECT THE DOTS OF WHAT THE FRAUD DID: getting 1800+ of our soldiers and countless foreign civilians killed based on deliberate conscious fraud, and all these things lead to the big “T” (TREASON), and I kid you not. Also that SC justices were unduly pressured even threatened to make Bush President in 2000, making Bush illegitimate.

Bush is SO cornered and desperate, he’s going to insanely lunge like a cornered animal, to arrest Fitzgerald (illegal at this point because of the obviously plain motives) to stop this process of justice somehow, however doing that itself will be considered further Obstruction Of Justice, because he is only doing it to prevent his well documented treason from being prosecuted!

And consequently teams of Federal Marshals are being prepared to arrest Bush if he issues the arrest order! (conceivably this could lead to an internal struggle between Federal Marshals and Secret Service both acting under different sets of orders, who knows it could get hairy). But as I see it, bottom line he’d be exposed and wouldn’t get away with it.

A tenth of all this, heck just Rove’s head, would have satisfied me to no end, but there’s all this, and even more.

How could this be happening? Because Fitzgerald and 1 or 2 of the Grand Juries he’s working with (the Grand Jury itself has the power to issue INDICTMENTS based on any evidence the prosecutor presents even on other cases, whether the prosecutor requests it or not! But if both Prosecutor & Grand Juries see the evidence the same way, and have INTEGRITY, AS APPEARS TO BE THE CASE, OH MAN!!! That is what it appears is going on)

And the punishment for treason during wartime and which results in the death(s) of U.S. personnel, the maximum penalty according to the applicable Federal law under which the Indictments are being issued, is DEATH. Read that again, Bush & others may be facing the death penalty.

In the Valerie Plame case it appears W was the one that leaked her CIA cover and it appears that when her cover was blown, several of her approximate 100 undercover foreign agents’ covers themselves (out there looking for actual WMD) were blown too, and were swiftly murdered.

Being in his position as President he of all people after 911 would be expected to know this and assume it, and not do it just to provide a payback to Joseph Wilson.

And get this, it appears there’s a big movement of spin by the Bush crowd to start referring to the conflict in Iraq as no longer “war” .

It used to be “GWOT = Global War Against Terror”
Now the spin is: “GSAVE = Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism”

Why? If they can convince a jury or court that we’re not really at war, then they don’t face the death penalty!

It’s very tragic, but the irony of this is so fitting, that the biggest proponent of secrecy and preventing leaks to the press, should be brought down totally over the worst type of leak imaginable.


Flocco’s first article: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/322473.shtml (was hacked out of his own site)

Awesome Skolnick article: http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/S_284_S/Overthrow%20series/bush.htm

The legal issues from a lawyer: http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/

And Tom’s site has been down, read this note from Tom that just appeared in Stolnik’s site:
Cloak News Update: 8/5/05:

NOTICE FROM TOM FLOCCO
Tom Flocco was warned by a U.S. Intelligence source that a contract FBI Division 5 operative had compromised his website without his knowledge. He made the decision to immediately move the site to a new server since the site was unstable and experiencing intermittent availability. The recent stories "Financial Terrorism Towers Over 9.11" and "Bush and Cheney Indicted" will both be placed up online with his archive shortly, while his website is restored. Tom was locked out of the administration editor which allows the posting of stories and news on his site; and the site went up and down on the web during certain parts of the last few days without his knowledge or control. This necessitated an immediate move to a new location to avoid future difficulties and interference with the news he was reporting. Tom thanks his supporters for their patience. He is sticking by his Bush-Cheney indictment story and his key on-the-record source Tom Heneghen, despite the fact that U.S. and independent web media will not report the story--except for Sherman Skolnick. CloakandDagger.de regular reporter and co-host Skolnick said today that he has confirmed with impeccable sources in the U.S. and two other countries that Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justice Antonin Scalia were named on August 4 as unindicted co-conspirators in the Bush-Gore 2000 election recount case.

HERE’S THE LATEST FLOCCO ARTICLE in tomflocco.com right now:
====================================================
BUSH PLANS TO FIRE PROSECUTOR:
Bush plans to fire prosecutor as federal agents prepare to arrest him

by Tom Flocco

Washington -- August 7, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- Sunday morning online editions of Newsweek and Time are reporting that the President is planning to fire Chicago's U.S. Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and replace him with a Bush classmate/Skull and Bonesman from Yale.

Following on the heels of these reports, we have learned from U.S. intelligence sources that federal agents are prepared to immediately arrest Mr. Bush if he fires Fitzgerald and seeks to obstruct justice and commit additional treasonous acts regarding ongoing grand jury proceedings against his administration and himself.

TomFlocco.com reported last week that Fitzgerald's grand jury voted out perjury and obstruction of justice "True Bills" or federal criminal indictments against President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, former CIA Director George Tenet, Presidential Senior Advisor Karl Rove, Presidential Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Vice-Presidential Chief of Staff I. "Scooter" Libby, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Vice-Presidential Senior Advisor Mary Matalin.

On Friday, federal whistleblower Tom Heneghen reported that the true bills also listed Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justice Antonin Scalia as unindicted co-conspirators.

According to sources close to the grand jury, Fitzgerald's citizen panel is now able to prove that George W. Bush was not legitimately elected president in the 2000 election; but more importantly, it has fingered the United States Supreme Court for fraud, obstruction of justice and treason, making the Bush terms totally illegal.

The scope of the indictments and investigations indicates that the grand jury's indicted criminal acts reaching back to 2000 will lead to further legitimate assumptions that Bush-Cheney involvement in the 9.11 attacks and sending American young people to war based upon lies orchestrated by Mr. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are both squarely in the sights of the grand jury.



http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0207/S00119.htm
“by Tom Flocco - Tuesday, July 16, 2002
There is growing evidence that the FBI and other government intelligence entities are more closely linked to the documented accumulation of pre-9/11 insider trading profits than was originally thought. But thus far the Joint Congressional Intelligence Committee has not publicly referred to prior knowledge of the attacks as it relates to stock transaction profits, while also failing after nine months to publicize the critical Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) “control list” report tracing what in effect were stock trading profits of death.”
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:49 AM
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1. Yes, right. We'll just indict the entire government.
:eyes:

That will do ALOT for national stability, the economy, and the sanity of the Average Joe who just can't get his/her brain around a massive perp parade of Chimpy's entire Cabinet out of 1600.

It'll never happen.

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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:58 AM
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2. Delete - replied to wrong post
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:01 AM by MaineDem
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:04 PM
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41. Actually - IF - IF it came true - it would be the best thing for this
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 01:05 PM by TankLV
country.

We cannot afford another "don't do it for the good of the country" crap again.

Remember Iran Contra and look what we've got - more ronnie raygun shit places named after him instead of the one thing that should have been - a federal prison cell for him and bunkerboy's father.

We're a STRONG COUNTRY - we CAN take it! We NEED to have this cathartic experience.

For the good of the world and the future of all mankind.

But face it - it's just another man's wishful thinking - I doubt it'll ever happen anyway.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 06:59 AM
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3. Who says there are indictments already under seal?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:00 AM
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4. Uh huh.
The Flocco story is at least a week old. The grand jury is in DC, not Chicago. Drug money laundering in Mena? Where are the space aliens?

:bounce:
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VIHMH5L50P Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:09 AM
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10. Some Answers
There are two grand juries that Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald is working with in matters related to the President, one in Chicago and one in Washington, D.C.

Who says indictments are under seal? Flocco, Stolnick and the legal link I provided above. Read these.

Where's the proof? Where's the proof of any article you read? I know Flocco's work for years and he is a very meticulous investigative reporter. On a radio show he said he knows his whole professional credibility is on the line and he was unhesitating.

Flocco cited sources in his stories, and Stolnik was on the radio with Flocco and said he saw some of his evidence and he said it was rock solid and congratulated him as the biggest scoop he's ever seen.

As I mentioned TIME and Newsweek are just now reporting that Bush is going to fire Fitzgerald. Extremely unusual, similar to the Saturday Night Massacre where Nixon tried to fire a Special Prosecutor. It just isn't done by a President unless something real bad is driving it.

We should all find out for sure this week...
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:01 AM
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Sorry, but Flocco and Sholnick are not reliable sources
I'll just continue to hold my breath until more legitimate sources say the same thing.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:01 AM
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5. You call Tom Flake'o reliable, hate to burst your bubble....
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VIHMH5L50P Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:22 AM
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18. I saw it
Putting a Skull & Bones brother in as Fitzgerald's boss means Bush means business, that he needs someone he can count on to do some dirty work for him, and it puts this Bonesman in position to fire Fitzgerald to help another Bonesman, fulfilling a blood oath.

My bubble isn't burst one bit, I know from repeated experience that Flocco is an especially good source.

I notice all you who badmouth him do it with lazy generalities and zero specifics. I say if you're going to open your mouth, back it up with something solid.

And it's several sources confirming different aspects of this story.

The Special Prosecutor's office was called and refused to deny the indictment, and indirectly admitted the topic was under consideration.
The legal link above discusses that in detail.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:43 AM
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19. Well....
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:46 AM by Rebellious Republica
"AM NOT MAKING THIS UP, I’M NOT USING A WEAK SOURCE (ACTUALLY THERE’S SEVERAL GOOD ONES though the goddammed mainstream media has been totally silent, until today, check TIME and Newsweek, see explanation below), OR JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. This has been out all week in the internet under the radar. This has been going on even longer behind the scenes"

First point, you must not believe Flocco is very reliable, hence your statement, note the "I’M NOT USING A WEAK SOURCE" comment.

Second point, show us the links to the MSM quote "check TIME and Newsweek" comment.

Third point, "This has been out all week in the internet under the radar", you can not believe everything thats on the internet, if so, you could say freerepublic is a credible source, no?




"Putting a Skull & Bones brother in as Fitzgerald's boss means Bush means business, that he needs someone he can count on to do some dirty work for him, and it puts this Bonesman in position to fire Fitzgerald to help another Bonesman, fulfilling a blood oath."

Fourth point, you have just proved yourself wrong by this statement.

Fifth point, This is your post, the burden of proof that Flake'o is reliable, is on you, not me.

Thats the way it works around here, sorry dude, get a few more posts under your belt, before you start getting all uppity and shit!
:eyes:






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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 08:17 AM
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:56 AM
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23. Anyone who swears by Sholnick is suspect
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 08:11 AM by Domitan
Too many unproven conjectures and distortions. I suppose you can collaborate his assertion that Bush and Blair were caught in a menage a trois with Prince Charles (one of Sholnick's assertions).

In case you don't believe me

http://www.rense.com/general44/middle.htm

The pictures and accompanying spy agency notes (not to be attributed to anyone in particular), are quite explicit. They show a trio of apparent homosexuals getting off.

Ostensibly unhandcuffed, the newsies began poking their mental fingers, if not their actual pens, into once-forbidden portals and orifices.

"Hey, do you see what we have here?" comes a rhetorical throwaway question, from a voice with no name. Plainly, it was a trio of untouchables, top-level male sex-mates, sucking and screwing each other. Prince Charles, Britiish Prime Minister Tony Blair, and White House occupant and resident George W. Bush.
(To divert attention from the real situation, the British and others in the European press are running stories that Prince Charles had a minor functionary as a homosexual sex-mate, rather than the ones mentioned in this story.)
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:02 AM
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6. "teams of Federal Marshals are being prepared to arrest Bush..."
As much as I want to see this, where is the proof?

Sorry, you have a lot in your post but I didn't see a cite for this bit of news.
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:03 AM
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7. Be careful with Flocco
by Tom Flocco

Washington -- August 7, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- Sunday morning online editions of Newsweek and Time are reporting that the President is planning to fire Chicago's U.S. Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and replace him with a Bush classmate/Skull and Bonesman from Yale.


I didn't look today, but what I read last night indicated that Fitzgerald's boss might be replaced, not Fitzgerald.

Flocco hasn't been a good source.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:06 AM
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8. Your facts are a little bit off, however maybe in a round a bout way
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:14 AM by Rebellious Republica
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:07 AM
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9. Bad link? N/T
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:12 AM
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13. Fixed, thanks teach1st N/T
My bad :spank:

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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:15 AM
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14. fixed agian, not enough coffee yet!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:21 AM
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17. Flocco is a proven liar.
Katherine Harris is still not dead. The President wasn't indicted in Chicago. How many times does this man have to outright LIE before people here stop believing him?
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:11 AM
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11. Not possible. Not even remotely possible.
Your post is riddled with factual and legal errors.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:12 AM
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12. There are tin foil hats.........
and then there are TIN FOIL HATS! :tinfoilhat: This falls into the latter category.
As much as I'd like to believe that justice will finally be come to these madmen, something like this is completely out of the realm of reason.
It might be a good premise for a new Tom Clancy book, if it came along with multiple wars being fought on multiple fronts at the same time, but this truly is a work of fiction and I'm not going to believe a single word of it. Anyone who would stake their reputation on something like this can't have much of a reputation to begin with.
Ahhhhhhh, it IS nice to DREAM though! ;)
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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:16 AM
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15. This has already been covered elsewhere
and if people think it's being covered up by the MSM, they'd better check the pot they're smoking. Even IF by some wild imagining the US press didn't cover it, the foreign press would be all over this like a hooker on a rich man.

Unfortunately life just isn't THAT good or fair or just, no matter how much we may wish it to be. As that fine policeman Officer Bar-Brady says: "Move along people, nothing to see here"......
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:20 AM
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16. Dis-information
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 07:24 AM by OKNancy
The Newsweek article says nothing of the kind.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1682911


In addition:

But Lynn Sweet writes in the Chicago Sun-Times today that Fitzgerald's job is safe.

"Though his term is up this fall, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the aggressive prosecutor who is investigating Mayor Daley's City Hall, possible illegal White House leaks and who has a former Illinois governor awaiting a corruption trial, is in no danger of losing his job.

"House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) was asked about Peter Fitzgerald's concerns Thursday . 'I know there been innuendos about my getting pressures. I can tell you nobody has talked to me or called me about this. Anybody. Period,' Hastert said. . . .

"Legally, if President Bush does nothing, he stays on the job even though his term is over. Politically, Bush would face a storm of protest if he fired a man who is investigating his own administration."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/07/29/BL2005072900853_5.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:48 AM
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:51 AM
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21. Dis a mod...uh oh, hope you enjoyed your short stay!
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:53 AM
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22. "I will agree that the Newsweek article does not say that exactly."
Enough said.

Oh, welcome to DU, by the way.
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VIHMH5L50P Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 08:43 AM
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25. thanks and merry christmas
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:08 AM
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26. "Bush would face a storm of protest...." The Bush administration has done
the most audacious things imaginable and gotten away with it. I think, unfortunately, if Bush replaced Fitzgerald, ... the story would last for about two news cycles.

"Bush would face a storm of protest if he fired a man who is investigating his own administration."
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:24 AM
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27. I am confused. Did u forget THEY own the Presidency, Senate, HoR
and judiciary? They have the power. how will they get indicted?
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:32 AM
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28. Sorry to bother, but....
I just want to know when I can start posting- this person has 45 previous posts. What is the mechanism to start posting?

Thanks! O.B.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 10:24 AM
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31. Go to the little box parked "post", hit it and post.
And welcome to DU! :)
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:37 AM
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29. I'd love it!
But, I'll believe it when I see it.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:46 AM
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30. Thank you for your excellent post....
Edited on Sun Aug-07-05 10:02 AM by TheGoldenRule
and welcome to DU! :)

I'm really finding the attitude around DU lately perplexing and annoying at best. Isn't this what EVERY good dem/progressive/liberal wants?!

Instead...the naysayers come out of the fricken woodwork...?! :wtf:

My question is-Just who the hell is supossed to break this story? Everyone knows the Corporate Media is as CORRUPT as hell! So WHO then? The liberal press? Hmm...Okay then. Get busy!

PROVE IT or DISPROVE IT.

Get on the horn with Flocco and ask some questions and do some old fashioned investigating. That's how journalism used to work in the old days anyway...as least it was when I studied it in college. :eyes:


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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:24 AM
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34. and thank you
for your excellent post
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:14 PM
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42. Thank you.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:13 AM
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32. in defense of Tom
Tom's site always gets hacked when he is on to something big....I spoke with him right after he interviewed Sibel Edmunds. He broke the Sibel Edmunds story that she testified to the 9/11 commission that the FBI had asked her to alter some of the translations she had been doing. As she was speaking, there was Kelly Wallace from CNN listening to the very same thing that she was telling Tom. Many cameras were there as well....didn't see that in the main stream media either. I even emailed CNN and called them on it. After Tom broke the Sibel Edmund's story he got hacked and I got a nasty email. Directly after that I could not get into any of the 9/11 sites...the pages would not load. I had to wipe out my hard drive and get a new ISP before my computer could go to those websites again.

At that time, no one knew who Sibel Edmunds was.....but through Tom's efforts she became main stream internet interest.

Oh and by the way...minutes before I spoke with Tom the FBI had contacted him and warned him not to write the story

Michael Ruppert calls him a "bulldog" investigative reporter in his forward in Crossing the Rubicon

Tom was hacked...he is on to something...

I know my posts are low...flame me if you want...but I am not a newby...I have been coming here for a long time...I just don't like to post much anymore because of exactly the kind of posts that have attacked this one....

hiring a skull and bones man to be Fitzgerald's boss is HUGE.....if it wasn't significant, they would not have made reference to it. Skull and Bones are loyal to the death...and Bush et al would do ANYTHING to make this go away.

I hope in my deepest heart that this will be true and come out. I thank Tom and others for their hard work...their lives are in danger and at least someone is willing to risk it all to make the story come out against unbelievable odds.

if it's true and they are indicted......PARTY IS AT MY HOUSE!!!!!
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VIHMH5L50P Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:16 PM
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36. link to listen to mp3 of Tom Flocco and Sherman Skolnik on radio 8/2/05
stick with it a while it gets better, and shows you their frame of mind in all this, they believe it.

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/August_/_CLOAK_SHOP_FLOCCO_08_02_05.mp3


ALSO, this excellent article focusing on the legal aspects is worth it:

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/

An excerpt:

"In light of this, "in a time of war" requirement from 794(b), it's extremely interesting to note the strange public relations circus emanating from Washington regarding the proposed acronym "GSAVE" which has apparently taken over for "GWOT".

GSAVE = Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism

GWOT = Global War Against Terror

Could it be that the Bush administration will start spinning that we were not in a time of war when Rove and others in the Bush administration outed Plame and her team so as to prepare a defense to coming indictments under 794(b) by Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury?

If we are in a time of war, those involved with outing Valerie Place and her network are eligible to be prosecuted under 794(b) and therefore are subject to the death penalty."
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:21 AM
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33. WOW.
:wow:

Was there not also a report of oddities 3 days proir to 7/7?

I am holding my breath...
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:11 PM
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35. On what authority
would the US be able to indict Tony Blair? These are domestic laws under which the Grand Jury is sitting. What US law did Tony Blair violate? Just wondering .....
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VIHMH5L50P Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:32 PM
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37. new in Newsweek: "CIA CASE MUTATES AGAIN" (Rove being scapegoated)
in the last paragraph of this, (but don't skip the rest of the story.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8727034/

Alberto Gonzales' confession sends investigation in a new direction

A new break in the CIA leak investigation has once again turned the case upside down. U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales admitted that nearly two years ago, he sat on the knowledge that the Justice Department had launched a criminal investigation.

Gonzales, who was a White House counsel in 2003, said when he was first informed about the investigation into the leak by the Justice Department he waited roughly 12 hours before informing the West Wing.

Craig Crawford of the Congressional Quarterly tells MSNBC this time gap raises questions about whether Gonzales or Andrew Card contacted Karl Rove that night to possibly begin dumping evidence.

“Anybody who was worried about e-mails had a lot of time to word-search it and delete it,” says Crawford. “We also know there’s a lot of evidence that did get through. They were getting rid of documents, but some of it still got through, at least from what has been leaked from the grand jury investigation about e-mails between Karl Rove and Vice President Cheney’s chief of staff, Scooter Libby.”

The new information from Gonzales also adds leverage to the Democrat’s case against Rove.

"Karl Rove has become something of a poster child for the Democrats to talk about excess and abuse at the White House, and to accuse the White House of lack of credibility and everything else, this would be a liability for Republicans in that campaign,” says Crawford.

Crawford says Rove may turn into a political liability for the president and the Republican Party down the road with congressional elections approaching.

“At some point, I would imagine some of the Republican leaders may go to and say, look, Karl Rove is brilliant and we need his strategy, but he's better off doing that privately, out of the public service, out of the White House.”
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:40 PM
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38. anonymous sources... sorry, scrap it
Anonymous sources lie. Why wouldn't they? In fact, what guarantees an anonymous source exists?

We've had massive disinformation campaigns waged almost entirely through "anonymous sources." Not only is it now required to verify anything said by an anonymous source with a non-anonymous source, but the whiff of an anonymous source being cited has people junking whole articles outright. And this is the right thing to do.

So, too bad, you have to scrap this one.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:50 PM
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39. Bullshit.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:01 PM
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40. Hey - it's MY personal WET DREAM - but I'll believe it AFTER it's happened
This is just simply too good to be true.

We've been down this road before - including Kerry's "I've got your back" and "I'll fight for you" bullshit.

Not gonna fall for it again.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:48 PM
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43. Locking
We can dream.....
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