Coral Ridge TV promoting book "The Collapse of Evolution"

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

by James Kennedy.

Yikes.

They're going all out there to attack evolution, therefore science.

:puke:

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Next they'll set their sights on that silly theory of gravity.

Welcome to the new and improved "Dark Age".

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

2. Yes, or aerodynamics, or electromagnetic radiation...

Never mind those flying machines or them new fangled wireless machines everywhere...

This Coral Ridge Hour is on for an hour every week, and it isn't the only conservative, reactionary, right-wing religious broadcast all the time.

The guy, Kennedy, said how can our children be good, moral, people with integrity if they are taught that they are simply an accident of evolution?

And the truth is we are made in God's image, blah blah blah.

At the end of the old movie "Inherit The Wind" about the Scopes Monkey trial, the Clarence Darrow character (defense attorney for the teacher of evolution) says about God, "Maybe they were looking too high."

My values are not threatened by science. My values are pretty basic, but not prudish and hypocritical and hateful.

[MisterLiberal]

9. I wonder

What those of you who consider yourself Christian Democrats (shudder) think about stuff like this.

Anyone here support wacko stuff like this? If so, HOW???

[VTMechEngr]

12. No, I have my views, but not nutty

I am a scientist and a Christian. I believe that God had a hand in Evolution and such, but do not believe that he guided the whole process. Unlike fundamentalists, I support teaching straight evolution with its chances and randomness in science classes. I believe that god was Too good to allow his work to be obvious in the process. I would not say that any study on the gene mutations was wrong, because it isn't. My faith says that god could have had a hand in the mutation, but that should never enter a science classroom because it is my personal faith view, and not science. I know that true faith and science should go hand in hand and not conflict.

If you find yourself rejecting science theories as the Devils work or as opposing your faith, perhaps it is your faith that is flawed. Science and Faith should never conflict.

My view.

And don't rag on my about being a Liberal Christian. I'm just as much a science lover in quantum physics, string theory, and the other realms as well.

[MisterLiberal]

13. Science lover except

when it comes to believing that a Jewish carpenter raised from the dead two thousand years ago, oh and he was born from a virgin.

And he walked on water.

Raised people from the dead.

Drank wine from water.

Oh and don't forget! if you live good, when you die you go to a place that isn't detectable by any science.

No conflict with science there.

:eyes:

I just don't get Xians

[VTMechEngr]

17. None of that is science is it?

Why does everybody think they must conflict? I have no problems understanding modern Biology and physics while having my faith. nothing in science right now can prove or disprove it. And It will probably remain that way for all time.

Attacking Liberal or Scientific Christians only plays into the hands of the Fundamentalists.

Frankly, I'm proud of my faith. When i've really been down, my faith brought me out of the depression in a way my physics book could never have. When my father died from cancer at age 49, it was my faith that kept me going.

You show me a test tube that can do that.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

18. The absurdity that Voltaire refers to is in the everyday

experience, I believe.

Like trying to make Americans believe Iraq had WMD, and also didn't have WMD. Quotations from this administration for both positions can be found.

Whatever my own beliefs, all religions in all times from the most simple to the major religions incorporate beliefs that challenge the individuals to make a leap of faith.

To me that isn't where the harm comes from.

It comes when they mess with our daily lives and try to impose beliefs etc on the rest of us.

(A response to # 14 actually, not 13)

[VTMechEngr]

20. Understood.

Liberal Christians don't muck with our daily lives. I live by my own set of Morals.

Fundy give Christianity a bad name.

Liberal Christians support gay rights including marriage, the right to choose and stem cell research.

And we can do it with the Bible and other relevant documents.

Gay marriage is a fav. Our Country had a famous treaty that said "the United States is not in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." Frankly, that should settle the issue. Even a Christian who opposes it should note that our faith is not the government. Myself, I support it noting that loving our neighbor should include allowing them to live as they like. That and Gays are born Gay, and cannot change just like a Black man cannot become white.

I realize that fundamentalists who cannot read and understand the Bible, and realize it is written in parable, and is not to be taken literal, make ours lives hell. We must band together and defeat them.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

21. Totally agree

I'm loosely affiliated with a Christian church as well.

A liberal, open-minded, accepting kinda church.

The really sad thing is how often in history religions have been used, exploited, manipulated in order to effect war, hatred, violence etc.

And the one thing that seems basic to all religions, to help those who cannot help themselves, and to love all people as your brothers and sisters, is totally lost.

[MisterLiberal]

26. You're the same

if you want to use the Bible to support legal means.

There is a separation of Church and State, and, good intentions aside, you're doing the same thing the Fundies are.

Let me ask you point blank: Do you really believe that a Jewish carpenter rose from the dead 2000 years ago?

Or do you consider that a parable?

[MisterLiberal]

14. by the way

how can you believe your signature and be a Xian at the same time?

[VTMechEngr]

16. perspective

My sig was used in a more earthly sense, like current and former Governments.

I understand it can be used against religion, but usually against a well established hierarchy like the Catholic Church in the Renaissance.

[MisterLiberal]

27. Fine

but believing that a guy walked on water is not absurd?

And NOT a conflict with science?

I mean, if you can repeat it scientifically, please, do so.

[flakey_foont]

3. Let me guess

no Bible verses mention Evolution,, therefore it must be false

[Crunchy Frog]

4. Their object is to end this country's status as a superpower

by destroying its scientific and technological base. They should be regarded as traitors.

Of course, they think that our superpower status is bestowed on us by Gawd because he loves us so much more that anyone else. I guess we'll see what happens. I'm not so wedded to the notion of this country being so powerful anyway. I think it's been unhealthy for us.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

5. It has to be tough to hold together a base that includes

neocon chickenhawks and radical, right-wing, religious fundamentalists.

Guess that explains why ignorance is bliss is such a revered principle for them.

[madfloridian]

6. Ahhh! Coral Ridge...Presbyterians and Baptist joining..

Believers Aim to Reclaim America

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050415-124649-3229r.htm

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- "The 5,200-pound slab of granite bearing a replica of the Ten Commandments rests in isolated splendor, set off by red and blue nylon sheets, on a flatbed truck parked on the front lawn of a church.
It's not just any church, either. Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church is a signature evangelical congregation in southern Florida -- its gleaming white, 303-foot steeple visible for miles around.

Loosed from its biblical moorings, Mr. Land tells the assembly that "a pagan America" can only become home to a legion of ills: harvests of fetal tissue and eggs from women's bodies, marriage redefined as any union with a variety of partners, single-parent families as the norm, a low age of consent for child-adult sex, hard-core porn on television.
Change will come when "a certain percentage of American Christians known only to God humble themselves and pray," Mr. Land says. "He will lean over from heaven and pour out a blessing, not only on Christians, but on non-Christian and Christian alike."
In such a "God-blessed America," he says, streets and schools would be safe, divorce and illegitimate children would be rare, and the elderly would live with their families and not in nursing homes.
"In an American society that preaches Judeo-Christian values, rooted in biblical theology, not all will be Christian, but they can at least live according to values," Mr. Land concludes."

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

7. So this is where that show originates

[Skidmore]

11. That building looks like it belongs in Vegas.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

23. Bet that cost a pretty penny.

[sakabatou]

8. Mr. Land probably has some skeletons in his closet

[VTMechEngr]

10. Please note there are 2 Presbyterians:

PCUSA The good Mainstream branch thats the majority

PCA The Fundy Wachjobs.

[madfloridian]

24. Website mentioned in article: James Kennedy's Reclaiming America

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/



They keep a close eye on Planned Parenthood records.
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/pages/campaigns/PPH/PPHhm.asp

They are into setting school board policy on such things as Intelligent Design. This is a pdf file.
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/download/OurKidsDeserveTruth.pdf

They are after the ACLU, calling it a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/ACLU/ACLUhome.html

Lots more good stuff.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

25. That's an idealized photo if I ever saw one

He looks positively angelic. Very deceptive.

Thanks for the links, maybe one day I'll feel able to read them without making myself ill.

[MisterLiberal]

15. I think

if they continue doing crap like that, we threaten to revoke their right to religion.

They can believe whatever they want, but they are forcing it on others.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

19. Take away their tax exempt status?

That would hit them where it hurts.

[sakabatou]

22. Counterpont: History Channel's "Ape to Man"

[Lexingtonian]

28. We should start a museum

into which people can send all the artifacts of wacko American religion. The curators would simply display poignant videotapes and writings with minimal or no comment.

It would need to be in a fireproof and blastproof building, though. The wackos don't take exposure and the implicit ridicule well.