Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

A Litmus Test for Catholic Judges Who Uphold Roe v Wade?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:57 AM
Original message
A Litmus Test for Catholic Judges Who Uphold Roe v Wade?
Denial of Eucharist, A Litmus Test for Catholic Judges Who Uphold Roe v Wade?
August 8th, 2005

Christopher D. Morris is a writer and critic from VT, makes a healthy argument about why the “Catholic bishops threatened to exclude Senator John Kerry from the Eucharist because of his support for Roe v. Wade” should be asked “whether the same threats would apply to Supreme Court nominee Judge Roberts, if he were to vote to uphold Roe v. Wade.”

The bishops have made this question legitimate because Americans no longer know whether a Catholic judge can hear abortion cases without an automatic conflict of interest.

When judges may derive a financial gain from the outcome of a case before them, they must disqualify themselves; this requirement should be even more urgent when the gain in question is full Communion and the promise of eternal life. According to the American Bar Association’s Code of Conduct for United States Judges, Canon 3, Section C 1 (c), a judge must disqualify himself when he has ‘’a financial interest . . . or any other interest that could be affected substantially by the outcome of the proceeding.” Maintaining one’s membership in the church and the prospect of eternal life surely count as such an interest.

Immanuel Kant held that no decision could be considered impartial or ethical if personal interest in the outcome played any role in it. It is time for this principle to be observed in our judiciary.

Why shouldn’t this same standard hold true for a religious conflict of interest?

Asking the bishops to testify would be healthy. If they rescinded the threats made against Kerry, then Roberts would feel free to make his decision without the appearance of a conflict of interest, and Catholic politicians who support Roe v. Wade would gain renewed confidence in their advocacy. If the bishops repeated or confirmed their threats, the Senate Judiciary Committee should draft legislation calling for the automatic recusal of Catholic judges from cases citing Roe v. Wade as a precedent.

MORE & LINKS - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=184
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:04 AM
Response to Original message
1. Arnold, Guiliani, Frist, and other GOP politicians.
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 01:05 AM by DanCa
You know if it were fair and unbaised I wouldn't say boo about it. But it seems like they can pick and choose who these rules apply to. And which rules that should be reinforced. Hell they kicked me out because i wouldn't take pictures of women entering abortion clinics, so that those pics could be distributed on anti abortion sites. Yet Arnold and Rudy are pro choice and it's okay. It's also okay for Frist to back stem cell research.

Now lets be fair and if a church is going to expell it's democratic members for not following the rules it should expell all it's members for not following the rules. Hmm I think that would make for one empty church don't you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Great Point
and so obvious I never thought of it!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. That's the point made in the article
and beyond that...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:19 AM
Response to Original message
2. Such a law would probably face much constitutional scrutiny
Under Article VI which states:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Tell that to them!
They are the ones who don't uphold that!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. They should just hang a sign that says republicans only
And be done with it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. No kidding...
We can't roll over though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #7
9.  I agree
But this is a very emotional and personal battle. I mean i can't attend mass with my family on christmass and cant see my niece's plays. Culture of life - flagh the should rename it my way or the high way. Thank god for the episcopal church in town other wise I'd be really screwed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:01 AM
Response to Original message
8. And nobody that is firmly a member of a religion can interpret
the first amendment (because of a conflict of interest--church/state), but neither can anybody that's said they think that the churches should stay out of government.

No woman that's been pregnant or had an abortion, and no male married to or related to a woman that might have or could have an abortion, should be allowed to rule on Roe v Wade or any abortion issue.

Nobody that's likely to use pharmaceuticals, or be affected by their loved ones' use of them, should be allowed to rule in issues affecting the FDA or drugs.

Nobody of any skin color can rule in affirmative action cases--if they're white, they may have a relative lose an advantage, if they're non-white, they may have a relative gain an advantage.

Let's go for "clear" conflict of interest, not a conflict of interest that we might be able to imagine somebody finding themselves in under some circumstance that we will vaguely define later.

And, if I were a bishop, I'd have a very easy response. There's a difference between a legislator saying, "Abortion under these circumstances shall be (il)legal" and a judge pointing to the legislation and saying, "The various laws, as written, indicate that abortions under these circumstances are (il)legal." The one is an act of will, making it so; the second is an act of intellect, finding that others have decreed that it is so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 04:18 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC