Would you support a Barbara Boxer candidacy for President?

[Cascadian]

I know she has not made any indication she would run in '08 but this woman, Senator Barbara Boxer would be a far better candidate than Hillary. Boxer shoots straight from the hip and is unafraid to take on the Neocons. The question remains if whether people would support her and of course her decision to run. There is already a movement calling for her run...http://www.boxer2008.com/


So why not?



John

[jojo54]

1. I want my president to have balls........

..unlike the current one. eom.

[burrowowl]

24. It's called

Brass Ovaries, thank you!

[Tesha]

26. Would you settle for 'nads??? :-) (NT)

[AntiCoup2K4]

2. No, for one very logical reason.

Senators can't get elected President. Now if she ran for Governor of California and did that for 4 or 8 years, she would be a great candidate.

[havocmom]

4. BINGO

No Senators! They have too much record to be twisted. Any given piece of legislation is a mixed bag of riders good and bad. Any Senator's record can be too easily distorted based on voting for/against something beacuse of some other attatchment on a bill.

Besides, we need to leave every Dem in the House and Senate IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE!

Look to state houses for presidential candidates. Look to guys like Hackett. Do not look to the Senate unless the taste of defeat is what you carve!

[Hippo_Tron]

13. Who would be a better candidate Bobby Kennedy or Tom Vilsack?

I don't mean Bobby Kennedy Jr., I mean Bobby Kennedy, the guy who would've been elected President in 1968 if he hadn't been assassinated. Senators don't get elected because we nominate crappy Senators. Goldwater and McGovern were too extreme to stand a chance. Kerry and Dole were un-charismatic and un-inspiring. The last GOOD Senator that was nominated was JFK and he won. Stop disqualifying candidates because they are Senators and start looking at what really counts.

[enough already]

28. It's no fluke that Senators don't get elected Prez

The reality is that they've typically never demonstrated the ability to govern, unlike a state governor or even a mayor. This is why Bill Clinton was electable, but Hillary doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. I love Boxer, but she can't be elected for the same reason.

[Hippo_Tron]

38. Okay but you didn't answer the question, Bobby Kennedy or Tom Vilsack?

[AntiCoup2K4]

40. Bobby Kennedy would be an infinitely better President.

Even after being DEAD for thirty years. But right now, VilSUCK would have a better chance of getting elected.

Not that I would ever vote for the caucus fixing DLC bastard, but that's beside the point. Every President elected (or otherwise) since 1968 has been a sitting VP, a former VP, or a governor.

Can that reality be changed someday? It's possible.

Can we afford that gamble in 2008? I don't think so.

[Hippo_Tron]

41. How would Vilsack stand a better chance of being elected?

Peoples' criticism of Kerry was that he couldn't take strong stances, he had no vision, and he was dull and had no charisma. Vilsack is like Kerry x 10. Bobby Kennedy was the exact opposite of people like Kerry and Vilsack. I don't see why he couldn't get elected.

[Lerkfish]

17. see my post #16

[tinfoilinfor2005]

3. Yes.

yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. Oh, and did I say, yes?

[KeepItReal]

5. Barbara over Hillary...No Doubt!!

:-)

[Tesha]

27. Boxer: I vote Democratic. Hillary: I vote Green.

Which would you all prefer? ;-)

Tesha

[Lerkfish]

6. Only if it can be a Conyers/Boxer or Boxer/Conyers ticket.

just IMHO.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. A black man and a woman?

You really think after a 2004 election where gay marriage got shot down by around 50% in some places that this country is open minded enough for that?

I'd love to wear your glasses for a day...

[Lerkfish]

10. the question was who would *I* support.

I answered that honestly and straightforward.
The question wasn't whether others would. (on edit: I see the question then continued into a more general look at the whole election, but on the face of the headlined question I answered)

maybe you SHOULD wear my glasses for a day.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. I thought most here would be sick of losing.

Forgive me for my mistake.

But in a perfect world, yeah, I'd support them too.

[Lerkfish]

12. we lose whether we run "electable" candidates or not, might as well

run on our conscience instead of the opposing party's record.

what's wrong with supporting people who actually represent us?

If that's losing, then we lose either way, so might as well lose with what we wanted.

IMHO

[mikelewis]

15. I bought the same pair - they're priceless

A Conyers/Boxer ticket would be a dream come true.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Sure, but she won't win.

Three reasons: The already mentioned Senator factor. And then you can look to Kucinich 2004 to see how well the politics play out. And then you can factor in that she's a woman in a country with a renewed sense of bigotry.

So while I'd love to see her do it and win, I won't be actually voting for her in the primaries should she be an option. I think she, much like Hillary Clinton, would be a fast lane pass to around 160 electoral votes.

[Niche]

8. Boxer got 3rd MOST VOTES in the 2004 election!

Why even ask? Personally I won't vote for Hillary if she runs. Her voting record is appalling.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Were I to vote, it would be "No"

But not because I don't like her.

I DO like her. A lot.

But Senators just don't get it done, as has been said, above in this thread, and everywhere else these polls show up.

[Lerkfish]

16. then why did we run Kerry? isn't he a senator?

I guess I don't understand the logic.

If its a male senator, he's our best choice. If its a female senator, she's our worst choice.

can someone, slowly and carefully explain the difference?

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Her gender is immaterial

Her Senatorness is not.

I was not for Kerry until my guy (not a Senator) dropped out.

Was that slow enough?

[Lerkfish]

21. sure, but it still is illogical to say we should not run a senator, when

we have, and came mighty close to winning, save for diebold shennagins and Ohio Blackwell malfeasance.

IMHO.

[enough already]

29. Who said Kerry was our best choice?

Personally, I think we let the 'pukes and the media "shame" us out of Howard Dean, a successful governor. We fucked up. Never again.

[ClassWarrior]

19. I tend to base my choices on individuals, not stereotypes.

Boxer/Conyers 2008!!! :patriot:

NGU.

[mikelewis]

18. Overwhelmingly, yes

Barbara Boxer is an American Hero. Why? Because she stands up and isn't afraid. I think we could use a person like that to lead this country. I believe she could heal our nation and bring it back from the dark place we're in now. No one can question her integrity, no one can question her patriotism. The only reason not to support her is fear that she can't win. Momma always told me, "You never know what you can do unless you try and being afraid is no excuse for not trying." If she runs, I'll be there and try my damnest to get her elected.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. I would support her over most of the people being talked about,

though Wes Clark will probably always be my first choice.

[BlueIris]

23. Go, Barbara! nt.

[FLSurfer]

25. I don't know whether she would win

or not, but I would certainly vote for her.
She is my hero.

[Independent_Liberal]

30. Yes, I'd support her...

She did a great thing by challenging the Ohio electors on January 6. She is someone who should run for President.

[tritsofme]

31. Better question, would I support losing 40+ states?

The answer is no.

I've been there too many times before.

That's why I plan to support Mark Warner in 2008.

[frictionlessO]

33. She'd lose 40 states why?

Because shes been right about most things?

I dont understand where you came up with 40 + states. What info do you have that says she'd lose that many? What leads you to that conclusion.

[benEzra]

45. Her demonization of many gun-owning Dems and swing voters comes to mind...

which may play OK in her district in California, but which would come back to haunt her in any national election. My wife and I don't own all that many guns, but she's managed to support national bans on about half of them.

The Dems need a candidate that won't project a "live as I say, or else" image to swing voters. Regardless of Senator Boxer's virtues, she's not that candidate, at least not on that issue (but considering up to 80 million voters own firearms, that one's a biggie).

Many repubs are vulnerable on civil liberties (Patriot Act? SWAT raids on state-licensed medical cannabis providers? shaking down your librarian to see what you've been reading?) UNLESS they are running against an anti-gun candidate, which can allow the repub to play the second amendment against the fourth. A pro-2ndA Dem like Russ Feingold would be a much better choice, IMHO.

[rhett o rick]

32. She's got my vote, but why has she been so quiet lately? nt

[IdaBriggs]

34. She just told the world she'd "slow" the Senate to a crawl if Roberts

doesn't answer ALL of her questions. Its over in Latest Breaking News -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1693638

[rhett o rick]

39. She needs to win-over the die hard Kerry supporters. nt

[djg21]

35. I want a candidate that has something more . . .

than a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Presidency. Boxer wouldn;t have a chance. Hillary doesn;t stand a chance. We can do better. Much better.

[Imagevision]

36. Someone should talk to Boxer - If she's financially backed it's hers!

[FreeStateDemocrat]

37. Open primary w/many canidates, a stop Hillary movement if necessary.

I do not want the corporate media to try to crown a canidate before rank and file voters get a chance to express their right to name our canidate at the ballot box.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

42. Yes of course. Barbara is a true American Hero. But it wouldn't matter

who we vote for, what matters is who counts the votes, and we all know Diebold can't count. Don't forget, Shrub was never elected, yet served two terms. I don't think we will ever see the end of the Sonofva Bush Dynasty.

[sunnystarr]

43. As much as I love Boxer

I said no because I don't believe she stands a chance in the primary or the election.

I believe she's incredibly effective where she is and we need all the support we can get in the Senate. I'd love to fill all the Senate seats with Boxer ... can we clone her?

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