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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:39 AM
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LA Times:"Mother's Protest at Bush's Doorstep Raises the Stakes" GOOD!!!
This is a long and very strongly supportive article. So now, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times have both published positive articles on Cindy Sheehan's effort and the Washington Post came out with a mostly disparaging one. Two out of three - we win! And the level of focussed attention is continuing to grow - no wonder they backed down on the midnight arrest threat.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-warmom11aug11,1,1016679.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
August 11, 2005
latimes.com : National News
THE NATION

Mother's Protest at Bush's Doorstep Raises the Stakes


By Edwin Chen and Dana Calvo, Times Staff Writers

CRAWFORD, Texas — For more than a year, a modest bungalow known as "Peace House," located a few miles from President Bush's ranch, has served as a headquarters for antiwar activists. It is lonely work, with little more than a skeleton crew on hand much of the time.

But then Cindy Sheehan hit town.

The 48-year-old mother of Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, who was killed in an ambush in Baghdad last year, is consumed by the kind of grief that turns into a furious determination to do something — in her case, to confront the president and force him to explain why her son died.

Now, in the space of just a few days, what started out as a seemingly quixotic personal mission has become something of a phenomenon — with media swarming around Sheehan, leading liberal and antiwar activists parachuting in to try to make her their long-sought voice, and political experts in both parties working to assess what role she may have in galvanizing the public's gathering unhappiness with the increasing American casualties in Iraq.

(there's much more)


And be sure to see the FANTASTIC OLIPHANT CARTOON on poor little Georgie being scared of Cindy at his gate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4312023
Thread title: New Oliphant comic: "bereaved mother camped down at the ranch gate"
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:55 AM
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1. Here's Maureen Dowd's New York Times op/ed piece on Cindy's effort:
While the Dowd piece was supportive of Cindy Sheehan, it is somewhat more general and also shorter. The new LA Times article is more focussed on what is happening outside Bush's ranch and how public response to it is building.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/10/opinion/10dowd.html?th&emc=th
Op-Ed Columnist

Why No Tea and Sympathy?


By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: August 10, 2005
WASHINGTON

(snip)

It's amazing that the White House does not have the elementary shrewdness to have Mr. Bush simply walk down the driveway and hear the woman out, or invite her in for a cup of tea. But W., who has spent nearly 20 percent of his presidency at his ranch, is burrowed into his five-week vacation and two-hour daily workouts. He may be in great shape, but Iraq sure isn't.

It's hard to think of another president who lived in such meta-insulation. His rigidly controlled environment allows no chance encounters with anyone who disagrees. He never has to defend himself to anyone, and that is cognitively injurious. He's a populist who never meets people - an ordinary guy who clears brush, and brush is the only thing he talks to. Mr. Bush hails Texas as a place where he can return to his roots. But is he mixing it up there with anyone besides Vulcans, Pioneers and Rangers?

W.'s idea of consolation was to dispatch Stephen Hadley, the national security adviser, to talk to Ms. Sheehan, underscoring the inhumane humanitarianism of his foreign policy. Mr. Hadley is just a suit, one of the hard-line Unsweet Neo Cons who helped hype America into this war.

It's getting harder for the president to hide from the human consequences of his actions and to control human sentiment about the war by pulling a curtain over the 1,835 troops killed in Iraq; the more than 13,000 wounded, many shorn of limbs; and the number of slain Iraqi civilians - perhaps 25,000, or perhaps double or triple that. More people with impeccable credentials are coming forward to serve as a countervailing moral authority to challenge Mr. Bush.

(snip)


(Email address for comments on the Dowd article: liberties@nytimes.com)

There was a DU post on what is the same column by Dowd but published under a different title ("Holed up on a ranch, Bush won't mix it up with 'Mom' ") by the Houston Chronicle:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4312207
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:24 AM
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17. This was GOOD..first I've read
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 10:25 AM by zidzi
MoDo in long time..

"And the Rolling Stones have taken a rare break from sex odes to record an antiwar song called "Sweet Neo Con," chiding Condi Rice and Mr. Bush. "You call yourself a Christian; I call you a hypocrite," Mick Jagger sings."

I love that the Stones have done this! And they're teaming up with NFL & abc for Monday Night Football? That should be interesting.

Funny, bush doesn't look like he works out "two hours" a day..on what his rockin' horse?

"It's amazing that the White House does not have the elementary shrewdness to have Mr. Bush simply walk down the driveway and hear the woman out, or invite her in for a cup of tea. But W., who has spent nearly 20 percent of his presidency at his ranch, is burrowed into his five-week vacation and two-hour daily workouts. He may be in great shape, but Iraq sure isn't."



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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:27 PM
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40. 2 Hours A Week More Like It
His last health report says that he does about 20 miles a week on his bike and he had to cut out the running due to an injury. So the much vaunted exercise king is mostly hologram.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:51 AM
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21. CNN coverage of Cindy coming up within the half hour
I have CNN on now and they will be reporting on her very soon!!
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:58 AM
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23. That was EXCELLENT!!!
I didn't know we had such an outspoken, mainstream lady on our side.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:52 PM
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43. Bush's handlers don't want him trying to speak anymore than absolutely
nessary. And then only if scripted. He only is comfortable at his fake press conferences, fake town meetings, and fake ranch. Face it, he is a fake president.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:06 PM
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48. Here's another DU thread on the New York Times Maureen Dowd column
on Cindy Sheehan:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4301433
Thread title: Maureen Dowd (NYT) on Cindy....
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:06 PM
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63. "W., who has spent nearly 20 percent of his presidency at his ranch"
This must be the hard work he talks about.

Talking about hard work must be hard work.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:39 AM
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2. Here's the Wash Post's rather condescending story on Cindy Sheehan:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4312299
Thread title: Washington Post: Soldier's Mother Takes Protest to Bloggers
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:17 AM
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3. Here's the beautiful photo published with the LA Times story:
(The photo may take a few seconds extra to load - it's worth the wait.)

http://www.latimes.com.nyud.net:8090/media/photo/2005-08/18916035.jpg

Caption:
2 SONS LOST: Cindy Sheehan with Bill Mitchell at a Crawford, Texas, vigil. Both have lost sons in the fighting in Iraq.
(Jason Reed / Reuters)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:44 AM
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4. This photo brings tears to my eyes each time I see it
Their pain and sorrow pierces the heart of the viewer.
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leftylady Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:03 AM
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5. The face of Moms everywhere- such pain
Wouldn't it be something if the Moms could bring about the end to this travisty.

I just read where more Moms from Texas are headed that way.

My heart certainly goes with them!
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jeanarrett Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:29 AM
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7. Welcome to DU Leftlady!
Can I say that with a low post count?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:37 AM
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12. Yes, welcome to you, leftlady! Glad to have you in our community!
And it's BIG - DU has something like 7 million hits a week!
http://www.mydd.com/section/blogosphere
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:24 AM
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16. Welcome to DU
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:04 AM
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26. Welcome Leftady.glad you joined us. n/t
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 11:04 AM by umtalal
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leftylady Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:16 PM
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60. Thank you all - good to be here
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:47 AM
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8. Use your empathy while looking into those eyes... that gesture of comfort.
That my friends is what Im fighting over.
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:14 AM
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9. My God, what a photograph
How could anyone look at this without crying? The coward who squats in the White House will never meet with these people because his handlers know they would eat him alive.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:45 AM
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13. Not only a coward, but a HEARTLESS coward. How can anyone still admire
him?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:29 AM
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6. The Seattle Post-Intelligencer had a favorable article, too
Sowing change from a Texas ditch

By SUSAN PAYNTER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER COLUMNIST

The President's gaze is averted, but the eyes of at least some of Seattle, Texas and the nation are upon her.

Cindy Sheehan sits on her lawn chair three miles from Crawford, determined to swelter in the Lone Star sun until vacationing President Bush comes out to talk to her.

She wants to ask him to stop saying we must stick with the war in Iraq in honor of soldiers like her son, Casey, who died there. She wants him to bring the troops home.

In Seattle, P-I readers, peace activists and callers to KUOW's "Weekday" program have been saying lately that another Walter Cronkite moment is what's needed to tip an already tilting nation toward demanding an immediate withdrawal.

Someone of fame and stature. Someone formerly neutral or even supportive of the invasion must speak out the way the father figure anchorman did in a watershed way during Vietnam.

But, instead of someone famous, is it crazy to think that, this time, the grieving nobody mom of a young soldier killed in Iraq a little more than a year ago could be the catalyst?


The article continues at http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/235869_paynter10.html

While you are there, might I recommend Seattle P-I editorial cartoonist David Horsey?

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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:22 AM
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15. And the Seattle Times--both FRONT PAGE
The Seattle Times had the LA Times article but still they put it right on the front page as did the Seattle PI. I was greeted with both this morning with my coffee.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002433202_mom11.html

So many of us identify with her. My son's childhood friend has been to Iraq twice. He barely survived Fallujah where his friend was killed next to him and he fell off of a building. His parents voted for Bush so we have supported them without discussing politics. They know where I stand. I can't believe they still support this war. I know they do not want their son to go back a third time. Anyway, we are all Cindy--so many of us baby boomers her age with children. We remember Vietnam and our parents were WW2 vets.

She has hit a raw nerve--this is the face of the protest of this war. During Vietnam days, it was the college kids whose draft numbers were low. Now it is those same college kids--us--but it is our kids and don't mess with our kids!!
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fighttheevilempire Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:51 AM
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22. Funny you should mention that...
My dad tells me a story from back in the early/mid 70s, long before I was born. He spent 15 months (67-68ish)in the south of Vietnam, and just like the bonus marchers and every other veteran, they were offered all kinds of bonuses and incentives which mostly turned out to be a pile of lies. It was a terrible fight to even get the VA to take care of him for the malaria he contracted in the jungles there. His quote: "They can keep their VA. I won't ask another thing from them ever again. But they are NOT coming for my son like they did me."
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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:11 AM
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27. Yes, I understand
When my husband and I and my brother were in college and about to graduate which meant draft deferments were about to end, we suffered through the horrors of the draft lottery--having to watch on TV to find out your number. I still remember so clearly. My husband's number (boyfriend at the time) by his birthday came up as 20. My brother's was 360 so he was safe. My husband was sent for his physical (and he actually showed up) and then in the nick of time, the draft ended.

Now we have a 20 year old son and 17 year old daughter and no way on earth will I let this illegal and immoral war affect my kids---NOT MY KIDS.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:58 PM
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57. My hubby's number was 5.
He also was spared the Nam experience by the ending of the draft "in the nick of time"
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:11 PM
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59. Oh my. I was in college and graduate school during the peak of this -
many of my friends and classmates were dealing with this huge black cloud. Some of them later died in Viet Nam for the greater glory of politicians. The man I later married was brought in for the physical, but his eyesight was bad enough that he didn't meet their requirements. Thank god.

My daughter is now 24. If the draft is restarted, she would undergo the same process. Young people today don't know what it's like - there would be fewer gung-ho-stay-at-home Young Republicans if they did.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:35 AM
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19. Ouuuhhh..I like that quote by
Ben Franklin!

Another Grreat article..so poignant

But, back to Bush. He could come out and talk to Sheehan, Jones said. "Clinton would have done it. Reagan would have done it. Daddy Bush would have, too."

A third possibility, according to Jones, is that more and more moms could join Camp Casey. And, this time, not be "stiffed" by Bush the way the wives of 9/11 were.

Of course that would mean the painful admission, by other mothers, that their precious children died for no defensible reason.

"And the fourth option is that this actually turns into a big deal," Jones said."




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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:58 AM
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24. Three for three--in the Everett Herald, too
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 10:59 AM by janetle
Ok, so the AP article about Cindy is not on the front page like the Seattle Times or the Seattle PI--it is on the back page. But still, of my three newspapers, this one is the most conservative and it is still in there.

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/08/11/100wir_protest001.cfm
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:17 AM
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10. Maureen Dowd? Nice piece in the Times
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:26 AM
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11. with media swarming around Sheehan?
The media may be swarming, but the "ink" I have seen is very sparse. TV, too. Yesterday I watched Faux at mid-day for 3+ hours, not one word!

It tool Guckertgate several days to take hold,I pray this grows to the point where it cannot be ignored.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:08 AM
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14. Thanks for that link
to the Oliphant drawing of bush on his rockin'horse and big bad cheney..So brilliantly depicted..



And this article is really good!..

"If he gave the real answer, people in this country would be outraged — if he told people it was to make his buddies rich, that it was about oil."

Sheehan is certainly not the first to denounce the president over the war. From the beginning, activists have been outspoken in criticizing Bush's policy and his stated reasons for sending U.S. troops into Iraq.

For the moment however, the personal nature of Sheehan's protest — with its edge of raw emotion — and the concentration of news media staked out in Crawford, where Bush is spending much of August, have combined to raise her voice above the crowd.

"Anything that focuses media and public attention on Iraq war casualties day after day — particularly that is a good visual for television, like a weeping Gold Star mother — is a really bad thing for President Bush and his administration," said independent political analyst Charlie Cook."


Here's to Cindy Sheehan and her supporters having the strength and energy to carry on whatever the greedy oil polluters "counterattack" may be.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:49 PM
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34. Yes, not so long ago it would have been totally unexpected to see
such strong statements not only published in the LA Times but as part of a long, top-featured NATIONAL NEWS article - not a short op/ed by a designated "liberal."

History is being made.

In my mind, the story of the indomitable power of parent-child love in the face of war is also beautifuly presented in this seemingly unrelated article in the same issue of the LA Times. I strongly recommend it. Somehow the two stories are linked in my thoughts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4312535&mesg_id=4312535
Thread title: LA Times:An astonishing story of a Sudanese family reunited after 18 years
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:25 PM
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65. Thanks, bookmarked it
for later!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:26 AM
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18. Thanks for the link. This and the Yahoo photo are both beautiful.
These would make excellent winter/christmas cards on the off chance that our troops are still in Iraq.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:45 AM
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20. *fuming*
Some have suggested that Sheehan is disloyal to criticize the president in time of war. Even in Vacaville, Sheehan said, some people say she is shaming her son's memory.

WHO ARE THESE SICK FUCKS???
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nigelthebrit Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:43 PM
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33. Disloyal?
I'd always believed that in a democracy, the rulers or ruler and the nation are not one and the same thing.

Or do Cindy's detractors believe that Bush is entitled to say with Louis XIV: "La Nation, c'est moi!"?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:02 PM
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35. She is asking QUESTIONS and is waiting for an answer. Bush is free to
come to her and get lots of press coverage while he answers her question about why the Iraq War was worth her son's death. The fact that he is hiding out and avoiding this shows both that he is a coward and also that he HAS no answer. So who's the one who's disloyal to the country here? I can't get my head around the hateful, close-minded KoolAid-drinkers who worship Bush as an absolute ruler and think he is a great leader and wellspring of compassion. Not in THIS universe. It really shows the failure of their upbringing and education to be so blind to reality and susceptible to propaganda.


And here's another great Oliphant cartoon from a few weeks back. (May take a few seconds extra to load.)

http://www.allhatnocattle.net.nyud.net:8090/ol63005.jpg


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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:02 AM
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25. What disturbed me most in this article is this:
...But other analysts predicted that Sheehan would soon fade from the scene.

"The president has an Iraq problem, but I don't think it's much worsened by Mrs. Sheehan," said professor Stephen Hess of George Washington University. "One Gold Star mother is a sympathetic figure, but collectively — as Gold Star Families for Peace — she is a movement and, as such, can be countered by a countermovement.

"I think the president might have defused the situation if he had invited her in instantly," Hess said, predicting that GOP strategists would soon mount a counterattack.

Already, there were signs of just that.

Some have suggested that Sheehan is disloyal to criticize the president in time of war. Even in Vacaville, Sheehan said, some people say she is shaming her son's memory. Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin disdainfully called the activists promoting Sheehan "grief pimps."..
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democratic veteran Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:20 AM
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29. Iraq problem
The professor is probably right, as a movement they can be 'countered' (Carl Rove get busy). Bush certainly could have diffused this by meeting her. But he is a true believer; her family 'sacrificed' for the causes, which of course, his own children are not willing to do.

Blogger Michelle Malkin: suit up and ship out. Jessica Lynch did, look what it got her, a she and a dozen friends dead and injured. And all Michelle Malkin got was 3 tax cuts - Mission Accomplished!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:03 PM
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36. Oh, I think that tryiing to smear Cindy Sheehan will backfire badly. n/t
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:19 AM
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28. This is slowly but surely becoming
a huge story......expect Cindy to be on the front of Time or
Newsweek in the next few weeks.....the Repubs can counter-attack all they want to no avail......all one has to do is see the picture of Cindy in the blue folding chair......anyone with a heart has to be touched. She is the first person in 2 years to bring the war home.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:09 PM
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37. To the Bush Administration, her son and all the other troops are faceless
cannon fodder. The major media coverage, glorifying the war and hiding the true human costs as well as all other facts embarrassing to the administration, encouraged this. The violence of TV and movies and video games added that much more dehumanization.

Then here comes Cindy Sheehan, and the unutterable, inconsolable loss of one life is made real at last to the desensitized public. And the fact that she is asking a question - why her son had to die - rather than just shouting hate slogans makes the impact that much greater. She speaks from the heart, and it has true impact. Indeed, just looking at her face links us all in our deepest humanity.

It's time and past time the country remembered what is important.
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buddha8 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:20 AM
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30. Nuremburg List
It is time that a list of participating propagandists for the Pentagon War be widely published across the Net and that those on the list know that they are being indicted in trail for crimes against humanity just as those Nazi journalists were indicted at Nuremberg and ultimately convicted and then hung until dead.

Those that have encouraged the hunting of innocents must now have the tables turned on them. I would like first to offer the two most obvious names for indictment and trial at a New Nuremburg Assembly. Judith Miller and Robert Novak. Both these people are subject to indictment for high crimes and treason. This is very serious business. Journalists must no longer beleive that they are free from moral constraints. There are many more to be added to this list and I would like to hear names and begin a list to be published widely across the Net. So that those who participated as cheerleaders,liars and dissemblers be put on notice that they are being watched and that they will be brought to justice. Without justice there is no end to the next set of stories now being lined up for the new war with Iran. It is time to begin the Trials.
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RogerARTcom Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:17 PM
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31. Copy, Paste, Send... 15 PROTEST PAINTINGS free
Copy, Paste, Send...

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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 12:27 PM
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32. trying go thru my brain
the unca dick drawing is so familiar - then it hits me - Danny DeVito as Penquin in the second Michael Keaton Batman. Looks just like Penquin.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:15 PM
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38. Make him taller, and yeah - the sinister monster look works well for him.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 01:23 PM by Nothing Without Hope
I was thinking of how the Penguin's parents were horrified of him even as a child. One imagines Unka Dick pulling off butterfly wings and slyly bullying schoolmates when they are most vulnerable and no one can see.

Here's a Penguin image that will bring back memories (may take a few extra seconds to load):

http://itsb.ucsf.edu.nyud.net:8090/~vcr/Xpenguin.gif
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Pretty_in_CodePink Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:24 PM
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39. This ran on the Orlando Sentinel front page too.
I was shocked frankly. Yesterday they ran the "Runaway Bride is doing better" in the space where they should have covered Cindy.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:38 PM
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41. It's currently on the front page of Google News as the 2nd of 3 US stories
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&gl=us

Cabbie: Couple's story didn't 'wash'
CNN - 6 hours ago
COLUMBUS, Ohio (CNN) -- A cab driver who picked up a couple suspected in the slaying of a Tennessee prison guard during a courthouse escape said Thursday the two told him they were going to an Amway convention but their story just "didn't really seem to ...
Police Hunt for Couple in Killing During Escape New York Times
Cab driver's tip leads to arrests Cincinnati Post
Houston Chronicle - Long Beach Press-Telegram - Ireland Online - Anderson Independent Mail (subscription) - all 938 related »

Grieving mother's war protest gaining momentum
CNN - 3 hours ago
Cindy Sheehan is joined by fellow protestor Bill Mitchell, as the two stand on the side of the road that leads to Bush's ranch. CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) -- Cindy Sheehan's eyes well with tears when she talks about ...
Mother's Protest at Bush's Doorstep Raises the Stakes Los Angeles Times
NEWS ANALYSIS San Francisco Chronicle
Atlanta Journal Constitution (subscription) - USA Today - Daily Times - Ninemsn - all 397 related »


Tropical Storm to Strengthen, May Be on Path to US East Coast
Bloomberg - 5 hours ago
Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Tropical Storm Irene, which was upgraded from a depression late yesterday, is expected to strengthen as it follows a path that may take it toward the US East Coast, according to the National Hurricane Center in Miami. ...
Mexico's Fernanda grows into hurricane Houston Chronicle
Irene likely to spare Caribbean on its way to US East Coast Sun-Sentinel.com
Washington Post - WIS - KCRA-TV - Charlotte Observer - all 515 related »
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:48 PM
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42. Cindy Sheehan will be covered by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC tonight
Here is the second story listed in his emailed newsletter today:


A determined mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who has pledged to hold a roadside peace protest near President Bush's ranch until he talks to her said Sunday that she met with the president shortly after her son died. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8851911/

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Abathar Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:53 PM
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44. I was just slumming at Drudge
and he has an email from Cindy's family begging her to stop, pretty pathetic if you read it.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:06 PM
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45. If it's authentic, it speaks to her strength even in the face of her own
family's lack of support and understanding.

But I'm betting it's a fabrication or one of Drudge's "creative" editing jobs on an original that said something quite different.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:42 PM
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51. War divides families
Anyone with a sense of history knows that families are divided by war.
Brothers fought against brothers in the Civil War--sometimes facing each other on the battlefield. Family members had divided loyalties during the Revolutionary War, too.

The point is not that members of Cindy's family don't agree with her.
She is Casey's mother--none of the rest of the family members can speak for her. They are all entitled to speak for themselves. I went on Drudge and read the e-mail. If you really think you should be suffering your loss in silence, then why did they speak out? Sounds a little like "do what I say" which is the whole problem with the Bushies and their supporters. They don't want to allow ANYONE else to express an opinion that doesn't match their own.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:57 PM
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61. WOW! The letter has been shown to be a crude hoax and Drudge has
had to remove it from his site! YES!!!! :rofl:


Let's keep this in mind and ready to cite during future attempts to smear Cindy Sheehan.
:evilgrin:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2001992
Thread title: Drudge gets "Dan Rathered": posted a letter from a Sheehan "relative"

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:52 PM
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62. Now there is an update and some other form of the letter is back
So check it out before you make any comments on it.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:11 PM
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64. Here's more on the Drudge letter story.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:22 PM
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46. Conyers: Congressional support for Cindy Sheehan is GROWING:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2001260
Thread title: "Congressional Support Growing For Cindy"
:applause:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:49 PM
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47. Olbermann's got her on the schedule tonight.....
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 02:54 PM by Catchawave
<snip from email>

A determined mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who has pledged to hold a roadside peace protest near President Bush's ranch until he talks to her said Sunday that she met with the president shortly after her son died. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8851911/

<snip>

My fingers are crossed this segment favors the angst of a mother who's lost a child, not politics. :grouphug: <---for Cindy and her supporters at DU.

Edit: spelling
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:34 PM
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50. The Crawford Paper
Yes. The Crawford paper--The Lone Star Iconoclast--is putting up daily updates on its website. Some info submitted almost hourly.
Here's the link: http://198.65.14.85/
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:51 PM
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54. Hi, thanks and Welcome to DU......
Great info !!!!!

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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:53 PM
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55. Having seen his piece on Jennings
I would bet that KO would do a nice job. He has a huge heart and it will definitely come through on this story.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:01 PM
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58. Yes, I absolutely agree. He has spoken the truth with unfailing humanity
for months - the only one to discuss the questions about the November 2 election for example. His daring, highly personal perspective on Peter Jenning's death from cancer - a strong argument to stop smoking, written on the basis of his own cancer scare experience complete with a closeup of his own (benign) tumor - got him into a hot water with his boss.

Here's his blog on Jennings - his email address is also always visible on his blog page:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8514671/#050808b
He hasn't yet blogged on Cindy Sheehan. If he does, you can be sure one of his many admirers (of which I am one) will post on it.

Transcripts of his shows usually become available a day or so later on this page:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:15 PM
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49. Has anyone checked the Crawford paper...
...whatever it's called -- I forget -- you know, the one that came out in favour of Kerry in the last election? Do they have any take on this, since it's in their back yard and all?
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:44 PM
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52. See post above
Somehow my post got screwed up.

The Lone Star Iconoclast. http://198.65.14.85/
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:53 PM
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56. Welcome to DU, mnhtnbb! We BOTH posted on the Lone Star Iconoclast
I took a long time with mine, so I didn't know you had just posted yours. I'm a Texan living in Massachusetts, so it makes me feel proud to see that lively little banty-rooster of a paper daring to face down the monsters right in Crawford. Their banner states their purpose: The Lone Star Iconoclast.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:48 PM
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53. The LONE STAR ICONOCLAST is giving maximum coverage plus updates
for Sheehan's vigil. You can read their lead article on it without a subscription. Here are the title and the last four paragraphs and associated web sites:

http://198.65.14.85/News/2005/31-40/32news01.htm

President Bush Ditches Mother Of Slain Soldier


By Nathan Diebenow
Associate Editor

(snip)

Before her first attempt to speak to President Bush in Crawford, Sheehan met with two victims of the Hiroshima nuclear bombing, Dr. Satoru Konishi and ex-Marine Paul Ritthaler, and Ritthaler’s wife, Betty. A press conference was held at the Peace House on the 60th anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing.

During the day Sunday, Sheehan received numerous votes of thanks, well-wishes, and support from around the globe, said Diane Wilson, founding member of CodePink, a national anti-war group. While Sheehan was doing interviews Sunday afternoon, small groups of supporters were arriving at her campsite, dropping off supplies and and enjoying the cloudy weather on Prairie Chapel Road.

Wilson announced Sunday that she is starting a hunger strike in Crawford aimed at getting President Bush to talk with Cindy Sheehan, mother of a U.S. soldier slain in Iraq. According to CodePink’s website Sunday evening, three others have joined the strike: Jodie Evans, Cindy Sheehan’s sister DeeDee, and Sarah Rath. Wilson said she believes that more volunteers will follow suit around the country in the coming days.

Friends of Peace and Justice of Waco are in the process of mobilizing support for Sheehan’s perhaps month-long vigil. More information can be obtained at the Crawford Peace House website or by calling (254) 486-0099 after Monday.

www.crawfordpeacehouse.org/
INFO
Gold Star Families for Peace
www.gsfp.org
Military Families Speak Out
www.mfso.org
Veterans for Peace
www.veteransforpeace.org
CodePink
www.codepink4peace.org
Vietnam Veterans Against War
www.vvaw.org
Iraq Veterans Against the War
www.ivaw.net

http://198.65.14.85.nyud.net:8090/Art/DesignArt/onllineflag.jpg


Here's the Lone Star Iconoclast's home page. They're in the process is changing to a new server, and this is the current, presumably interim URL: http://198.65.14.85/default.htm
That's where you're currently redirected if you use their regular home URL:
www.iconoclast-texas.com

The Cindy Sheehan story is, of course, super-big on the front page of their printed version:
http://198.65.14.85.nyud.net:8090/Art/Frontpage/2005/32iconfrontpage.jpg

And they say that they will be posting updates:
http://198.65.14.85.nyud.net:8090/Art/DesignArt/sheehan3.gif

Iconoclast To Be Posting Cindy Sheehan Updates

CRAWFORD — The Lone Star Iconoclast, by popular demand, has begun filing frequent updates on its website, www.iconoclast-texas.com, regarding the vigil taking place near Crawford. The banner leading to the updates is called “Cindy Watch.” ...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:32 AM
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66. a kick for the lunch crowd n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:45 PM
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67. I think this is still timely, especially considering the mud-slinging
editorials that will be seen. Here's one of them in Atlanta:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4328076
Thread title: Anti-Sheehan editorial in Atlanta gets 50 responses, all pro-Sheehan!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:09 PM
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68. One more kick. And don't miss this new thread with testimonials
from people who have been galvanized by Cindy. The great video "A Day in Crawford" is in the replies and must not be missed either.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4330194
Thread title: Bush meets a steamroller in Texas; he's about to become pavement.
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