opihimoimoi
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Fri Aug-12-05 03:31 PM
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When compoared with evil bad leaders in our Human history..where |
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does Bush belong?
What Patterns emerge?
A Pattern of Deciet, etc etc?
Of Enrichment?
Come, we go think on higher Levels
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Fri Aug-12-05 03:37 PM
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1. Bush is a cheap thug compared to the big guns... |
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Hitler and the Holocaust?
Genghis Khan, anyone?
Bush is freakin' peanuts compared to the real nasties.
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Fri Aug-12-05 03:38 PM
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2. I've never compoared, how do you do that? |
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Fri Aug-12-05 04:23 PM
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7. for an honest polite answer...review "Civilized History" from many sources |
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Look for the ones that failed past and present...look for the bad signs....look for patterns...its all about patterns....
Lump any group of Bad Leaders who led their people to great misery and pain/death.....its all those bad signs like:::::
Greed,
Selfishness,
Delusion,
Arrogance,
"Bad Puppet"(Damn, he IS like a widdle kid")("The perfect Puppet"),
myopic,
Has a "Gold Suit", (on as in "The Emporor has No Clothes"), Staff.
Condenscending Behavior,
Aggressiveness, Bully Tactics,
Turns out, Bush displays much of the above and in other ways/
If he walks, talks like one, does it say Patsy? He is the Fall guy run amok with POWER... Even the NepCons have a hard time with him...causes them much pain... but too late Bush is THERE....what to do? Beare and grin all the way to the bank. Bush is the (Miss)distraction but has been straying the path with dufusness.
Come, we go drink....
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Fri Aug-12-05 03:43 PM
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3. I think he's comparable to Al Capone |
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Fri Aug-12-05 04:26 PM
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8. Al was never in power the way Bush has.....Bush is making war to grab oil |
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Fri Aug-12-05 03:45 PM
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4. He trumps them all in evil intent |
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At the end of the day we shall see how much horror he racks up. He wants to be the King of Horror. I think he will be #1.
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Fri Aug-12-05 04:31 PM
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9. They know a Great Famine is coming..its in the Math...no way out.. |
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They are making sure they got the Spice(Oil) Spiggot. Top 5 producers of oil will soon be in the hands of the PNACers...whether those guys know it or not.
Who just got fabulously richer, on the obscene scale? All oil guys....
With out a solution soon, many millions across the planet are heading for starvation..or at best, substanance living....
The pnacers are grabbing their gloves, bats, and balls to run home to Sanctuary
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Fri Aug-12-05 03:55 PM
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Even if you don't use a sliding scale.
And that's even if you include not just the dead he's just directly or nearly directly responsible for, but all that are indirectly attributable to his or his subordinate's actions.
But if you look at him on a sliding scale, he's even less bad. It's gotten easier to be worse in the last few hundred years--easier means of inflicting death at longer range or with more lethal weapons, greater populations, more abundant food allowing larger standing armies, greater ease of transportation, easier communication and more effective propagandizing tools.
I'm not sure about the ranking of Mao and Stalin; Hitler's 3rd, unless we include the Russian deaths on his scorecard. After that, far too muddled.
Some African thug? Pol Pot? Genghis or a successor? Lincoln and Jefferson Davis?
And then there are the ones we know or almost nothing about.
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Fri Aug-12-05 04:37 PM
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10. Personally, he is small spuds, but the decisions made by others |
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reflect a pattern of Despotism/Dictator, etc...but with negative results with the BIOSPHER in the Picture...
These are people who do not want to waste time and rescources to feed 8 Billion Peeps on this Planet. They would rather a large famine takes place...a DIOE OFF if you will, a CRASH....take place...taking the pressure on FOOD, WATER, SUPPLY off. Le ss consumption, the more for the survivors. Its the Math...Read WHO WILL FEED CHINA, a classic.
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Fri Aug-12-05 05:00 PM
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12. Weird thing about Pol Pot |
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He was not a self-agrandizing type. he actually listened to the central committee. There are very few photographs of him.
Why they thought Year Zero was a good plan is beyond me.
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Fri Aug-12-05 03:59 PM
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6. we can't be sure because he's not finished yet |
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Thus far he's not very far up, though.
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Fri Aug-12-05 04:47 PM
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11. He happens have a KID MIND in a grown ups body....put in place by |
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peeps of money/power/ to ensure staus quo or better....like in high oil prices....swimming in profits...by CNN...swimming in profits....
Yes, comped he hasn't killed too many people but watch, as you say, watch for the near future....its not outta sight they find reasons to invade the top 5 producers of oil....and/or, control.....
Bush, because of his kid mind, proves he is a puppet level...one that is barely controllable...
When he gets outta hand...."What? Give him a black eye time again?"
"Damn that boy don't listen..."
But he evidently is not that controllable...for he ventures into the Forest only to be eaten by the Lib Wolves who pounce.
The Uncle Dicks come to rescue everytime...
"Get Bush to shut the fuck up until we say GO."
We have a LOOSE CANNON in there.....
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Fri Aug-12-05 05:01 PM
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13. pretty typical as intent goes |
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It's the capabilities of today which makes him a piker compared to any pretechnological monster. As for our 20th century monsters, well he's just standing on the shoulders of giants. Given time.....
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Fri Aug-12-05 05:07 PM
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14. Worst leader of modern times - Francisco Macías Nguema |
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Equitorial Guinea from 1968 to 1979. He killed a higher percentage of his own population than even the Khmer Rouge.
see
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Fri Aug-12-05 05:16 PM
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15. I was looking for similar signs/charactoristics more than results |
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Bush is not through yet... The Worset may yet come....
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Fri Aug-12-05 05:19 PM
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IMNSHO, Smirk is slightly worse than Nixon, because at least Nixon did a few reasonable things - - like establishing the EPA and the SALT talks.
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Fri Aug-12-05 05:38 PM
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17. IMHO - he is probably going to have the worst |
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legacy of any U.S. President. I believe he is worse than Nixon. There are many that post here that have a much better grip on history than me. But I don't rate him up there with Stalin, Hitler and such. I believe there were true monsters in history, and even recent history. I see some parallels in the brainwash, slogan type rhetoric that the * admin puts out, but still, can't put * even in the vicinity of some of the regimes that committed such atrocities. Don't get me wrong, the * admin may be capable of it, but the American public would never allow it. Besides that, I do think * is greedy, inept, myopic, etc. and has an agenda that if most Americans truly knew would be appalled, but not really in the vicinity of the history of the regimes, dictators, etc. in the world that are the most horrific.
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Sat Aug-13-05 02:42 AM
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22. His iladvised policies have only begun to show damage...its not over yet |
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Fri Aug-12-05 06:03 PM
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middle of the road evil. But he has a way to go. He's certainly not the first American president who's lies got us involved war, as di. McKinley, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Bush41, and Clinton. It's just that with today's media and the internet, Bush43 is being caught in the act. Usually it takes years for people to realize how a leader, safely dead or out of office, has lied to them. However, Bush is the most idiotic, inept, arrogant, and therefore irritating.
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Fri Aug-12-05 07:13 PM
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19. They all have similar ways of leadershipt...its the pattern of misguiding |
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Fri Aug-12-05 08:08 PM
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from the ancient world and middle ages. As bad as many of the leaders were back then, at least they often led their own troops in battle, putting themselves on the line, often dying or killing themselves after a defeat. Today we have total cowards waging total war, killing millions from behind their desks.
I tend to regard todays leaders as more depraved and dangerous than the ones from the past. Back then when leaders screwed up, there was no risk of destroying the world or wiping out a country like there is with today's technology. They just didn't have the means to do it. For example, people like Caligula are regarded as crazy and monstous. But really, how bad could he have been? He was bizarre and had mental problems, but he didn't kill anyone the way George W. Bush has.
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Fri Aug-12-05 10:13 PM
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21. Its the effects oif their actions/decisions that has a pattern |
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in which Bush fits... not so much their accomplishments on off the battle feild...
Its the common folk who often get used up like chess pieces and suffer great pain for crummy decisions made by crummy leaders...
Bush ain't through yet....
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Sat Aug-13-05 04:24 AM
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23. Bush doesn't even enter the category in my book. |
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He's a tool. An unctious bastard, with a pompous, smirking chimpy face, but ultimately a tool. The real "evil bad leaders" in history made their own decisions.
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Sat Aug-13-05 07:38 AM
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24. Bush carries out the decisions whether his or not.....its his style |
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and characteristics we are looking at for patterns similar to other asshole leaders past/present...
Most leaders had their staff who advised ... some had peeps who would say anything to retain their gilded positions...like we do now...
Bush reveals some serious bad body language, ulterior motives, secrecy, the lie cheat steal thingy, condenscending arrogance, etc much like the Nero/Caligula/Idi Ammin/Mousolinni types....
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