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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:33 PM
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We can send kids off to war so why can't they vote and drink?
Discuss :hi:
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:34 PM
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1. The only reason the drinking age is 21, is that the driving age is 16.
I think we ought to reverse that.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:35 PM
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2. What is the youngest possible for the military? 18 right?
Same as the vote.

As for drinking...how many of use listen to the law? (and how many of us outgrow binge drinking before 21?)
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SoCalifer Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 04:31 AM
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16. It's 17yrs old.
Back when I was in the Army I joined at 17, its still the same today. At 17 you need your parents to sign too, and at 18 you don't.




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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:37 PM
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3. Um. 18 year olds have the right to vote. . .
and when I was in the service -- under 21 -- I could drink on base. Only 3.2 beer, but it was available from a soda can dispenser in the dorms.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:40 PM
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4. Been here, done this
The drinking age was lowered (using this same argument) during the Vietnam war.

It was a miserable failure because 18 yr. olds weren't mature enough NOT to buy the booze for 15 yr. olds. Alcohol related deaths of young people skyrocketed.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:55 PM
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10. DITTO... I Remember The Exact Same Thing!
Not that I agreed with sending 17 & 18 years olds to Viet Nam either!

Many of my friends got drafted & shafted!!! Many NEVER came HOME!!!!

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bama65 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:30 AM
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19. 17 year olds are non deployable
i am deploying to iraq and if a soldier is 17 he can not go
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:33 AM
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20. Be safe...and welcome to DU!
Remember, it's he or she. :)

Again...keep your head down. And thanks for your service.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:57 PM
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12. Oh, that's horseshit...
...and is something one would expect to hear on the Old Time Gospel Hour, with Jerry Falwell officiating...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:54 PM
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13. Citation for that tidbit? Until you can offer some, it's BS to me. nt
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:40 PM
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5. Should they push the enlistment age up to 21?
I think that 18 is too young to make the kind of decisions that has to be made on the battlefield.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:50 PM
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8. That's my opinion as well
At 18, the last bit of critical thinking supposedly isn't fully developed yet. I think it's too young to make battlefield decisions, as well as too young to fully realize the impact of the decision to enlist.
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:22 PM
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14. "Training prior to turning 21"
There have been studies conducted on critical thinking and decision making. Eighteen is too young!
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 12:13 AM
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15. If that's true, then
shouldn't the voting age be raised too?
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:40 PM
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6. In the early 1980's...
...Senator Lautenberg from New Jersey got a law passed which cut off all federal highway funds for states that did not raise their drinking age to 21. Reagan signed it.

The law is ridiculous, but it was bipartisan. There is your answer.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:48 PM
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7. The brain is still developing at 18
There is a spurt of neural (dendrite) growth between the ages of 18-20. The physiological reasons for delaying drinking may outweigh anything else.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:54 PM
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9. Which is also why it's easier to convince them to become canon fodder.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:46 AM
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22. People say we only use one tenth of our brains,
I say we only use one tenth of our livers.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:55 PM
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11. Because they are too young to drink. Nobody is too young
to die for the Bush Crime Family.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 05:32 AM
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17. When I have had the occasion to speak with politicians
This is a question I love to ask, just to see their reaction and BS politico response.

If you trust my nephew to serve and defend his country in the Armed Forces, who do you not trust him to enjoy a cold beer?
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 07:29 AM
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18. The new liberal Puritans. When the war is in it's 9th year...
Then the Vietnam effect/paradox will be apparent to them.

Your nephew has every right to drink if he is old enough to fight for this country.

The law that lowered it was swept back in this our lurch towards the right, and a long period of relative peace and calm give s everyone amnesia.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 11:44 AM
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21. If they could vote it wouldn't be so easy to send them to war
If they could drink, they wouldn't be such excellent killers.

How are we going to run the global plantation without sharp-eyed cannon fodder/killing machines?
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