What Is the Advantage For These Neo-Con Hawks Attacking Iran?

[orleans]

I don't doubt they want to -- my question is WHY???

i'm reading various articles and my head is swimming.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO ATTACK IRAN? WHAT IS THE POINT/ADVANTAGE???

"Philip Giraldi, Deep Background
The American Conservative August 1, 2005 p. 27

In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.

Philip Giraldi, a former CIA Officer, is a partner in Cannistraro Associates "


http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=38408

"Not Just A Last Resort?
A Global Strike Plan, With a Nuclear Option"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/14/AR2005051400071_pf.html

"Perle Calls for Invasion of Iran
During a debate between Richard Perle and Jane Harman (D-Calf) the following was reported:


But after half an hour of this, Harman could not keep up. Perle provoked cheers from the crowd when he favored a military raid on Iran, saying that "if Iran is on the verge of a nuclear weapon, I think we will have no choice but to take decisive action." When Harman said the "best short-term option" is the U.N. Security Council, the crowd reacted with boos.
"http://gorillaintheroom.blogspot.com/2005/05/perle-calls-for-invasion-of-iran.html

"Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?
Reporter suggests Brynes discovered plan to turn nuke exercise into staged terror attack"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/100805fourstargeneral.htm

"Cheney Calls For US to Nuke Iran
Greg Szymanski/American Free Press | August 2 2005"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/020805nukeiran.htm

"In his position as commander of Training and Doctrine Command, Byrnes oversaw all Army training programs and the development of war-fighting guidelines. The organization operates 33 training schools and centers on 16 Army installations and is headquartered at Fort Monroe, Virginia. Byrnes had been commander since November 2002."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/09/general.relieved.ap/

[mike_c]

1. it is part of the neo-con PNAC plan for dominance of the ME...

...but proximally, I think they anticipate a war bounce in the administration's approval polls. Sadly, they'll probably get one.

[bribri16]

50. How about a diversion from the failed war in Iraq? n/t

[ananda]

2. only..

Iran can fight back.. and will.

A war with Iran would be an unmitigated disaster in every possible way.

Sue

[Imagevision]

42. Now? - there is no advantage - they fucked up they're plan won't work!

[HamdenRice]

3. They have so f**ked up Iraq and delivered it to Iran ...

that basically they have no choice. If you accept their rhetoric at face value -- that they believed that democracies (or really, what they mean is majority rule, not democracy) in the middle east are in the US's interest, then they should have forseen that those majority ruled governments would be Shiite. As Jordan's King Abdullah has publicly worried, US plans would create a "Shiite crescent" extending from Iran through Iraq to Lebanon -- each of which has a Shiite majority that has been held in check by one tyrant or another (of course in Iran only until the Shah was deposed)

But Iran is the leading Shiite government. So if Shiite majority rule is inevitable or part of their plan and Iran is the natural leader of Shiites outside its borders, then Iran must (in their warped plans) be friendly to the US.

A subjugated, pliant Iran is in fact the keystone of the entire neo con middle east policy.

[BrklynLiberal]

4. It is part of the plan. Ask no questions or you will be next on the train

to the camps.

[louis-t]

5. It begins to satisfy their insatiable lust for war.

They really, really love war. They make money off of war, it makes them feel powerful, it makes them feel superior.

[stillcool]

6. Strategic Geographic control...

of the entire oil & gas pipeline region.

[Imagevision]

46. Dominance in the Middle East - what else??!!

Iraq still is #2 largest oil reserve on the planet!

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[peacebird]

10. I don't want to sacrifice ANY city in the world to a mushroom cloud

but I think Bush is more likely to use nukes than any other country is.

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[peacebird]

23. considering the lies already on the table - do you actually TRUST bush?

about anything? Much less about something as important as attacking a country that has not attacked us?

Frankly - if Iran is that much of a threat let the world deal with it, not the chickenhawk cowboy - the thought of using nukes is probably his biggest wetdream. And if he nukes Iran, frankly I would not blame anyone in the world for taking america down for being the global threat to peace that it has become.

[dkofos]

26. WTF

We should nuke Iran because they support terrorists and want nukes.

What about Pakistan, our supposed ally. They have nukes and are harboring OBL/UBL

Wake up :grr: :grr:

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[MoonRiver]

31. And exactly how do you expect him to "take care of Iran"?

He'll bungle it to the same degree, or worse, that he has bungled Iraq. A lot of people, including my Democratic husband, were in favor of the Iraqi invasion. I told him that * would bungle the mission, but he was a true believer in the notion that taking Saddam out was the best thing next to apple pie. Now he admits I was correct. He's completely against another * keystone copesque preemptive invasion, specifically, but not limited to Iran. Please think about the incompetents who will be leading this fool's mission before you suggest pushing US out on that proverbial limb.

[BrklynLiberal]

8. Look at the difference in the task of Iran vs Iraq just in physical terms

Iran is a helluva lot bigger and will be a helluva lot messier.

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[peacebird]

11. you say that as if it is a good thing?

good grief - has the neocon wet dream not caused enough death and destruction already for you?

I truly do not see Iran as likely to bomb America - it would certainly cause the total destruction of their country and they know it. I *do* see bush as likely to nuke Iran, however - and the hell on earth that action would unleash is something I am not at all interested in seeing.

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[BrklynLiberal]

12. You REALLY believe that this administration is not going to send American

soldiers in there? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Do you think the NEOCONs give a shit if America soldiers are killed? Whether by Islamic fundamentalist bombers or depleted uranium dust by our own weapons..or the aftermath of a nuclear explosion... THEY DON'T CARE!!!!

The end of the world is their ultimate dream..as long as it doesn't happen until after they have spent all their money!

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[BrklynLiberal]

19. The draft boards are all set up and ready to go at a moments' notice.

None of Bush's cronies or their kids will be going to the front....don't worry.

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[H5N1]

16. Hahaha - you're joking, right?

First of all, read this:
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WHI20050809&articleId=825

At any rate, bush has no intention of giving up
that prime real estate. It will be Iraq all
over again. Count on it.

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[H5N1]

27. Are you putting me on? Are you, perhaps, pulling my leg?

Here is the crux of the biscuit:
Oil, Israel, the Privatization of infrastructure,
the Building of Bases, Bankrupting the US,
Big Payola for bush's friends

Remember Iraq, we're still there.
Know sumpin' else: we ain't leavin.'

[shraby]

21. You actually believe it would be just

airstrikes against their nuclear facilities? What do you think Iran would do about something like that? Just say they're sorry for trying to have nuclear power? I would guess they'd do the same thing we'd do if China or Russia nuked our facilities here in the U.S. Sheesh use your head to think.

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[orleans]

37. just wanted to reply to a deleated message. n/t

[kestrel91316]

15. Revenge for the hostage-taking, sheer power, the usual

juvenile crackpot type of rationale this administration if famous for.

[shraby]

18. If you'll notice, Iran abuts the Caspian Sea which

has one of the largest pools of oil under it. Different oil companies and some people like the Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (Cheney and minions) were bargaining for it. Looks to me like a direct route for a pipeline to ports to ship it out of there is across Iran. Not to mention the oil Iran already has. Need I say more?
Google Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce and you'll find out a lot.

[H5N1]

24. Oil, Israel, Privatization, Build Bases, Bankrupt the US, Big Payola

... looks like terra' to me!

[orleans]

34. wow--the chamber of commerce has listed

james baker 3rd and 4th, henry kissinger, brent scowcroft, john sununu, dick cheney, richard armitage, richard perle, ...john roberts? is this the same john roberts? says he was senior advisor, american international group. i've been googling that and can't seem to find anything pointing to a connection so maybe it is a different john roberts than the supreme court nominee.

http://www.usacc.org/contents.php?cid=2

[shraby]

36. They aren't on that Chamber of Commerce for

their health. We did an investigation on what Sibel Edmonds might have known. The threads are Sibel Edmonds speaks Farsi and we found out a lot of stuff, the Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce was some of it. The threads can be found in the archives. We also tried to find out why Cheney would want to expose Valerie Plame and a paper was written up. It can be found here.
<http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf>

[whistle]

25. It's in the PNAC which is what the neo-conservatives are following

...every jot and tittle of the plan without questions.

[izzie]

29. I do not trust ANYONE with nukes,

They seem to also like wars.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

32. We should attack Iran 'cuz they support terrorism... .and we should

attack ourselves for the same gd reason.

http://www.soaw.org/new/
SOA Graduate Commands Brigade Accused of
Massacre of Civilians in Colombia



On February 21-22, 2005, eight members of the San José de Apartadó Peace Community in Urabá, Colombia—including three young children—were brutally massacred. Witnesses identified the killers as members of the Colombian military, and peace community members saw the army’s 17th and 11th Brigades in the area around the time of the murders.

Among those killed was Luis Eduardo Guerra, an internationally recognized peace activist and a co-founder of the Peace Community. In November 2002, Luis travelled from Colombia to Fort Benning, Georgia to speak out against the School of the Americas at the annual Vigil to Close the SOA/ WHINSEC.

General Héctor Jaime Fandiño Rincón is the commander of the 17th Brigade of the Colombian army. Like Luis Eduardo, Fandiño Rincón also travelled to the School of the Americas -— not to speak out for justice and peace like Luis, but as a student. Fandiño Rincón is a graduate of the notorious School of the Americas.

[Miss Chybil]

33. You'll find the answers to your questions here...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html

[ProudDad]

35. They are sociopathic, megolomaniacal

fascists.

They don't have to make sense or be reasonable...

[Booster]

38. Just my opinion, but Cheney's oil pipeline needs to go through

Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria to get to the Mediterranean Sea. Bush has suggested regime change in each and every one of these countries - doesn't take a rocket scientist.

[Nikki Stone 1]

39. Maybe Iran was the real target. Afghanistan, Iraq are on its borders

?

[orleans]

45. and Azerbaijan

another poster, shraby, pointed out above--we are involved in this little country too--google Azerbaijan chamber of commerce.

[AtomicKitten]

40. oil, oil, oil

Plus the fact that Iraq and Iran are bonding in an unprecedented fashion. Bunnypants has turned a secular state into a theocratic-leaning state. He has created a terrorist training base. Invading Iran would be convenient for BushCo but I really don't think Americans would stand for it.

[norml]

41. It takes the world's fourth largest reserve of oil off the market

raising the value of their holdings, just like taking the world's second largest reserve of oil off the market did.

There's also the boost to their investments in the defense industry to consider.

Finally, by escalating the war, destabilizing the world, and making things even more miserable, they can grab more power.

[opihimoimoi]

43. Power/Oil/control of spigot/ forces value up, poor nations cannot afford

Famine results, reduce need of Oil...Pubs get to watch NASCAR, continue to waste oil for FUN....

[kbm8795]

44. The only rationale I can think of

that would actually serve this nation would be if they packed up Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell and all their followers and told them they could finally have their little christian jihad in Iran.

Drop them over the country with parachutes and their bibles and let their "holy" war begin.

[cliss]

47. Orleans, here's why:

Iran used to be a U.S. puppet. We installed Our Boy, the Shah of Iran, to do our bidding. This eventually pissed off the Iranians to the point where they had a revolution. They kicked out the Shah. Guess who was greeted with open arms? The Ayatollah Khomeini. That old sourpuss was not friendly toward the U.S.

Ever since then, things have been really shaky between the U.S. and Iran. NOW, I've read that Saudi Arabia's oil production is going to start a catastrophic decline. The colossal Ghawar oil field is supposedly damaged from pumping in salt water.

Rumour has it that in fact, IRAN has the world's #1 supply of oil. Iraq has the #2 spot. Now, this is just a rumour. But for sure, Iran does have the world's #1 supply of natural gas, which Cheney would love to have.

So the U.S. is sweating bullets over the new leader, Ahmaninejad (?).

Like several posters wrote above: it's about the

O
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[orleans]

48. it makes a lot of sense. n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

52. It's also about settling old scores, from 25 years ago. . .

the neocons consider what happened, what with the hostage crisis of 1979-1980, a humiliation they have not forgotten.

Problem is, the Iranians' memories go back TWICE AS LONG, from 1953, when the US government, through the CIA, imposed the Shah upon Iran, usurping their democratically-elected President, Mossadegh.

The smell of revenge runs deep here.

:evilfrown:

[Jacobin]

49. De-Fang a foe of Israel

The neo-cons are running our government for the benefit of Israel's idea of its security in many ways

[orleans]

51. huh?

[Emendator]

53. They think they're doing Israel a favor

A lot of the neocons are Israel first Likudniks. If Iran gets nukes then that would give it diplomatic leverage and would put a damper on Israel's plans to gradually annex the West Bank.

[AntiCoup2K4]

54. Beyond that, the PNAC plan has its roots in a Likud document from 1995

"A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" was prepared by Perle, Feith, Fairbanks and other future PNAC'ers in cooperation with the Netanyahu Likud government.

You can read it here: http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm