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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:45 PM
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If you don't like Paul Hackett ........
..... then you may not like this post.

I think Paul Hackett is the prototype for certain 06 congressional races. Tough guy. Truth to power. No way he comes off like a 'Mommy Party' candidate.

All that and he's a Dem. You may well not agree with him 100%. I know I don't. I want 100% access to universal health care with a single payer system. Not some cobbled together junk that keeps the big insurers in business. He doesn't. I want gun laws returned to the states so that hunters in rural areas can keep their guns while some far more restrictive gun laws make better sense in big urban areas. He doesn't share this view.

But ya know .... fuck that. I see myself having far more in common with him than out of synch with him. I can live with the differences because I also trust he is a reasonable guy who wants the same things I do. We differ only in the debatable details and the debatable methods.

I see another candidate like him: Eric Massa, who is running in New York's 29th congressional district. Here's his website (still somewhat of a work in progress). http://www.massaforcongress.com/

I'm here to say this guy is great! I had a recent occasion to speak one on one with him for about 15 minutes. Again, while I am not in lock step with him, he is ***exactly*** the kind of person we all need in congress.

Both these people are their own person. They defy the usual labels. They're liberal on most issues, while seemingly conservative on a few of the others. Yet, as a whole, they're on our side. Can any one of us take issue with them? Of course we can. But we can't fault either one of them for their sincerity or their notion that they're there to do the right thing **as they see it**.

I'll bet there are other candidates or potential candidates out there who fit this 'non mold' ..... honest and independent thinking. Not fucked up by years of 'beholden' politics.

Who do you know who fits this bill? Who are your rising stars?

And what do you think of these two?
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:47 PM
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1. You're absolutely right. Nominated. (n/t)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:49 PM
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2. Right on!
Someone pointed out in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2008010

... that the description was Hackett. Toughness or brashness, chutzpah or machismo, iron guts, brass balls or just plain alpha maleness.

Massa is Wes Clark's buddy. So he's alright in my book.



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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 04:44 PM
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22. The Eric Massa-Wes Clark Connection
THIS WAS A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE BEFOR THE NH PRIMARY


Clark supporter feels called to duty
General made believer of wary aide
Thursday, November 27, 2003
By ANNMARIE TIMMINS
Monitor staff
________________________________________
As a junior Navy officer, Eric Massa had no choice the first time he went to work for Gen. Wesley Clark in 1996, as Clark's assistant in Panama. The Navy set up the interview, and Massa hoped to mangle it with blunt honesty.
"I didn't want the job, and I told him so," said Massa. "I was afraid of working for a pompous moron, of which there are several wearing stars. I had worked for senior officers who didn't care about people, and I didn't want to do that again."
It turned out Massa and Clark had something in common there, and Massa spent the next four years attached to Clark, first in Panama and then in Europe, during Clark's stint as supreme allied commander in Europe.
When Massa left Clark in 1999 it was under protest and only because Massa had been diagnosed with advanced cancer. Now, years later, Massa - recovered and retired from the Navy - is working for Clark's army again, this time as a campaign staffer trying to get Clark elected to the White House.
Massa wasn't looking for the job this time, either. Clark asked him to come on board after learning a month ago that Massa had "involuntarily resigned" from his government job at the urging of Republican bosses. They were upset that Massa had visited Clark at a Democratic campaign event.
"They said I was a political liability and that if I liked Wes Clark so much I should go work for him," Massa said. A lifelong Republican, Massa just re-registered as a Democrat. Massa is the son of a Navy man, and as such grew up outside America and with a respect for the military. The family came to the United States when Massa was 16, and after graduating from high school in Louisiana, Massa attended the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md.
In all, Massa spent 25 years in the Navy, 16 of them on sea duty. In the mid-1990s, Massa's commanding officer told him it was time to decide how he wanted to fulfill his joint duty, a requirement for officers to spend part of their service with another branch of the military.
When Massa said he wanted to do something out of the ordinary, he was told an Army general by the name of Wes Clark was looking for a Navy aide. All he knew about Clark was that he had stars on his Army uniform, and that didn't carry much weight with Massa.
Their 50-minute interview, however, convinced Massa to withhold judgment.
"He had questions I didn't expect from a military man," Massa said. "He asked me if I was familiar with Greek literature, if I read Homer, what I thought about the Illiad.
"And the last 20 minutes were devoted to people questions," Massa said. "He asked me what I would do if a young soldier came to me and told me his wife had died. Or a homosexual soldier told me he was being harassed. His whole thing was treating people with dignity and respect."
Three hours later, Massa was on a plane with Clark to Panama, where Clark was commander in chief of the U.S. Southern Command. Massa described his job as Clark's executive assistant and deputy chief of staff.
Once there, Massa asked Clark what the Homer question was about. Massa remembers the answer: "He said he was looking for someone who was well-rounded enough to talk about issues beyond military terms."
For about 13 months, Massa shadowed Clark, keeping notes of his meetings and drafting follow-up letters to the people Clark had met. Massa said Clark forbade his staff to begin any of his correspondence with "I" because Clark wanted the emphasis on the recipient, not himself.
________________________________________
A show of support
When Clark was promoted to supreme allied commander in Europe in 1997, he asked Massa to stay on and be his advance man. Massa agreed and moved his wife and kids, who had been waiting for him back in San Diego, to Brussels, Belgium. After Clark arrived, Massa was again a close assistant and became one of Clark's main liaisons to Washington, D.C.
Massa had every intention of staying in Europe as Clark's assistant until he got sick in late 1999. He hadn't recovered from running a half-marathon but chalked it up to the flu. He blew off a doctor's appointment his wife had made for him, thinking he'd work it off.
On Nov. 9, 1999, Massa looked up from his desk to find Clark standing there. Clark told Massa that his wife had called worried about his health.
Clark had arranged another doctor's appointment for Massa, and when Massa protested, Clark gave him the only direct order Massa recalls receiving in four years. "I think we have lost the fundamental relationship between a four-star general and a Navy commander," Clark told him. "You will go to the doctor."
The doctor diagnosed Massa, who had never smoked, with advanced lung cancer and gave him four months to live. Clark cut through red tape to get Massa and his family back to the United States for treatment.
Just before Massa left, Clark convened the staff and tearfully awarded Massa the Legion of Merit medal for his work. Clark had received the same medal in the 1970s when he was a speech writer for the then-supreme allied commander.
It's one of the few times Massa saw Clark cry.
"Everyone thought that was goodbye, that I was dying," Massa said.
Back home in San Diego, doctors were more optimistic and diagnosed Massa with non-Hodgkins lymphoma, not lung cancer, and began aggressive treatment.
Unknown to Massa, Clark had a soldier tracking Massa's surgery. As soon as Massa came to in recovery, staff told him he had a call. It was Clark. At the time, he was overseeing the bombing of Kosovo.
________________________________________
A different kind of service
Massa retired about three years ago; he waited so that the last thing he did in uniform was attend Clark's retirement. Now he's living in a hotel in Manchester, trying to avoid a fast-food diet and bringing his family in from New York when he can.
He talks wistfully about the job he lost to get here. Massa was in Washington overseeing part of the Navy budget as a member of the House Armed Services Committee. His departure was reported by the press and has since become fodder for online political sites.
But he doesn't regret where it got him. On the trail, Massa is helping get Clark the veteran vote - and whatever else needs doing.
"If Wes Clark asked me to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, I'd ask him if he wanted it done in the summer or the winter," Massa said.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 07:10 PM
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26. More
I was too late to edit the above, so here's some additional.

Stories like this illustrate why Wes Clark can inspire like no other public figure since Bobby Kennedy. In 2008 we may have our opportunity 40 years after RFK.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:51 PM
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3. To paraphrase Kristofferson...
..."If you don't like Paul Hackett
Then you can just kiss my ass"
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 06:13 PM
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23. Great choice
Kristofferson endorsed Clark for the '04 nomination:

"Just when the world is being dragged into the death spiral of an unending cycle of violence by a vision-less, coldblooded collection of think-tank warriors goose-stepping their way into the new millennium with a stunning lack of respect for human rights, the environment, or international law, along comes a man with the proven credentials of intelligence, integrity, and courage singularly equipped by his spirit and experience to lead us out of this mess. Don't listen to what the lying liars say about him; listen to what he says. Wesley Clark is a prayer answered."

Kris is poet who tells it like it is. He's also a former Army officer, Vietnam vet, and a Rhodes Scholar.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:57 PM
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4. I'll take a dozen Hackett's!!! He's a no BS kind of guy.
And I like the fact that he has a carry permit. Who cares? To me that just Democrat who will not take any more bull shit from anybody.

He ran a great race in an area that's overwhelmingly Republican. The last three runs for the House were 70%-28% with us being the 28%. No Democrat won there for a regular term since '66 (there was a special election in the 70's won by the son of the Luken family (big name in Cincy). Otherwise 30 straight years (now 32) of getting spanked.

I'm saying this in all candor, there are very, very serious questions about what happened there...the vote count stoppage, the baloney about humidity, etc. Maybe the "other shoe" will drop for a change.

We need more Hackett's!
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:59 PM
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5. I would be more impressed if Hackett would recount OH-2, at least Clermont
He can call for it and it only costs $10/precinct to pay for it (which we could collect here on DU overnight). To lose another close election after another computer crash, with a major shift in the voting trends before and after the "glitch", and in a county where we already know they fucked with the ballots before the 12/04 recount -- its' inexcusable to me.

Just what the fuck are we waiting for, anyway? Hackett would impress me as a warrior and a standard-bearer for the party if he would be the first Democrat to call these election-thieves on their shit. Otherwise, he's just another "moral victor". Democratic political graveyards are filled with people who didn't like being called names, which prevented them from calling thieves thieves. I would rather be called a "sore loser" than allow an "unelected winner" to take another seat in Congress.

Come on, Paul -- show us your nads. Recount Clermont, recount OH-2.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:53 PM
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19. He had five days to call the recount. He was at reserve duty for
most of that. I don't know what his reasons were but I'll have a major comment on this in a few days. The history of a Clermont recount is really dismal. Lots of nasty stuff and it never really gets recounted. I think the better path would be to investigate off the record and find out what really happened. It was bogus and I agree with everything you said. Just that an "official recount" is not that useful when the counters are the same people who did us in 9 months ago.

So what happened at your thing today?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:05 PM
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6. When he called Rush a fat assed drug addict - he had my support
Hackett, Howard Dean and Cindy Sheehan have something in common. They speak plain truth without reservation. They plant their feet, square their shoulders and use honesty to reach people. If they are the faces of leadership for liberals, we're in for a decent future once we scrape up the messes of this administration.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:17 PM
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10. Bingo
I'm not voting for anyone now who is not a square shooter.

Hackett has my support because he told it like it is.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:54 PM
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20. *-"chicken hawk" "son of a bitch"; Rush - "fat ass drug addict"
In New York we'd have called that THE TRIFECTA!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:07 PM
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7. I want the "Single Parent" candidate
Tough like a Daddy, caring like a Mommy.

Wes Clark, Paul Hackett, Eric Massa - we've got 'em!
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:12 PM
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8. why not the SENATE??????????? nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:16 PM
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9. Why not, indeed!
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 10:20 PM by Husb2Sparkly
Hackett would make one hell of a great candidate ... and a great senator. I'm not in Ohio, but the tea leaves I see indicate the time is ripe for a guy like him ..... against Dewine.

Assume, for just a moment, that the results on Ohio 2 were correct (c'mon, play along, okay?). Now layer on that the far more sympathetic votes in Cleveland and Toledo, in Columbus and Youngstown. He really **could** do it.

<edit for spelling>
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:21 PM
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11. I've met Eric Massa last month as well and heard him speak..
And I was highly impressed with his knowledge, capability and integrity. We absolutely need more people like him in congress. He's not running in my district, but I'll be donating to his campaign.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:24 PM
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12. I had not heard of him .... then I met him ... spoke with him ......
.... and was compelled, literally, to write a check right then and there. And we're not even in the same state!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 10:40 PM
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13. He had me at "son of a bitch". (tee hee) n/t
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:03 PM
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14. Paul Hackett is a great guy.
I got to meet him when I was working on his campaign in Ohio. He is exactly "what the doctor ordered."

If Erica Massa is a like-minded individual, I wish him the best of luck. This is what the Democratic party needs. Honesty.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:11 PM
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15. I asked Massa if he's been in touch with Hackett
He said they've been talking.

I like that!
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safi0 Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:13 PM
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16. There was a
Half article about this in TIME today. They spoke about how Democrats were recuriting Iraq War vets to run for Congress
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:27 PM
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17. What did he do? Am I supposed to not like him now?
Anything I miss? I agree with you about him speaking his mind. It's a breath of fresh air. I must not be up on current events though.

Who fits my bill? Mike Miles. Dean's endorsed Senate candidate who lost to Salazar in the Colorado primaries, but won the state convention in Pueblo. Like Iowa and NH, they went for "electability". I'd support him, and even bet money on another run and win...this time against Wayne Allard!

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:49 PM
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18. No, you're not supposed to not like him now!
He was a good guy when he was running and he's a good guy now.

Tell me more about Mike Miles.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 01:05 PM
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21. How about this guy ... does anyone have an opinion?
I received this e-mail from a friend:

There's a special primary election in California for the 48th district (Christopher Cox resigned his seat) on October 11. You may be interested in it. It is getting a lot of attention in certain blogs.

California does special elections a little different than Pennsylvania. They have open primaries (anyone can vote for whomever). If one candidate gets more than 50% of the vote, they are the winner of the primary and there's no general election. If no one gets 50%, they have a general election between the top 2 candidates from each party.

This election could be a Hackett like thing.

Here's a link to one of the democrat candidates:

http://www.johngraham.us/




Anyone have the particulars?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 06:29 PM
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25. I like what I see on his website!
I'd like to know more.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:27 AM
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27. Me too. I'm surprised that I haven't seen anything on him ...
sooner. I hope he is truly a Paul Hackett.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 06:15 PM
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24. Hell, I'd vote for him for POTUS.
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