Subject: An odd conversation with a Democratic Headquarters guy

[donsu]

http://www.buzzflash.com/mailbag/05/08/mai05220.html

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Subject: An odd conversation with a Democratic Headquarters guy

I made a call to the DNC to ask what they were doing to stop the Republicans from stealing another election. I was transferred to the dept that is working on this problem ... or so this guy said. I asked if they were going to file some sort of lawsuit against Diebold, if they would find a way to audit elections, have good exit polling etc., paper ballots.

This was his answer. He said they were going to have voter education programs. (Educate us for what? How will that keep the GOP from stealing elections?) And they were going to introduce legislation blah, blah, blah. And how is this going to get passed? I started to question him further and he got rude. I then said he sounded like a Republican ... And he said, "Better yet"!!!!!!!! Then he hung up on me. Better yet? And just what Democrat would answer like that????? Is this a GOP operative planted in the Democratic Headquarters? Or don't they care?

I think all Democratic headquarters employees should be subjected to intense background checks and a lie detector test before being employed there. There are a lot of Democratic politicians and party people who seem like Democrat traitors to me. It is the only explanation for all this wussy behavior. Can't do that ... why not? and then they give some rinky dink excuse and crawl into a corner and apologize for thinking thoughts that contradict the bushy position.

I am sick and tired of these crooks in the Democratic party. It is time for a purge. No guts ... get out. We need people who are committed, not cowards. John Kerry, you had your chance. Step up big time or get out of the way. Hillary, same thing. This is war. A war for our democracy and it is no time for wishy-washy cowards. We need more Cindy Sheehans and Barbara Boxers and John Conyers. No more Donna Brazilles, or that Shrum idiot, or Joe Biden of MBNA playing nice with all the GOP traitors or Joe Liebermans. Bill Clinton, we loved you, but now ... get off that kissing up! to that Poppy Bush. He was as corrupt as his son. No more Mr. and Ms. nice guys. Time to take the blinders off and get smart and tough.

Howard Dean was a good start. But who are these people in the background sabotaging his attempts to give the Party a backbone?

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we should keep on this. make the same call and see what they say. keep on their behinds.

[formerrepuke]

1. GOP operatives sounds like the most realistic explanation...if I wanted

to subvert the opposition, I'd do it from the inside as well as overtly. 'Wonder if Dean has considered the possibility.

[gman16]

2. Sounds to me

that if you "purge" the Democratic party of those who are not committed to step up to the plate, you will be left with few.

[converted_democrat]

6. B.S..................n/t

[Gold Metal Flake]

16. Let's try it and see.

I'm sure the few commited ones left will do the work of twenty half-assed lazy fucks.

JMO.

[LittleClarkie]

20. People throw that word around, but never explain how they plan to purge

people out of the party. They plan to purge staffers? They plan to purge anyone who doesn't see the world just as they do? Someone was rude to them and they got their little feelings hurt and now they want to purge those responsible?

How Stalinesque.

[wtbymark]

3. Contact Dean (nt)

[emcguffie]

4. Try Donna Brazile.

She doesn't want to be asked about election "fraud" at all; it's insulting, she says.

[Larkspur]

5. Republicans don't need rigged elections when they can make legal voting

difficult by limiting the number of voting machines, even the non-Diebold ones, in densely populated Democratic areas. That and other kinds of vote suppression techniques are what they found widely used in Ohio. They couldn't prove vote rigging, but they had plenty of evidence of voter suppression techniques.

[donsu]

7. limiting number of voting machines IS rigging

there are all kinds of rigging besides the rigging of computer voting machines.

[Larkspur]

8. Ok, glad you cleared that up.

I thought when people were talking about vote rigging they were only referring to rigging the machines to either count or not count votes.

So I guess vote rigging also includes voter suppression techniques.

[karynnj]

12. But with "Bi-Partisan" county election boards

that oversaw the election, claiming the Republicans did it is very tricky. They clearly did - as there were always more machines in earlier elections -some even had more machines for the primary (per articles on it - I have no link though) - and it happened all over the state in urban areas, it couldn't have been unplanned.

Blackwell tried to cheat in many ways - and was called on them. It is a shame that none of the Democratic county election people noticed ahead of time that the machine allocation was way too low and both notified her/his counterparts in other counties or made a public issue of it before the election. The likelihood is that with all they were doing to GOTV and make sure they had the number of trained (even poorly) volunteers no one was looking at the number of machines - especially in comparison with past elections.

It is wrong when those running the election are partisan and cheat. It is worse though that the victims get blamed for the action rather than those who did it or the authorities - who in this case may be one and the same.

[Mairead]

19. "It is a shame that none of the Democratic county election people"

As Goethe said about enslavement, there's no opponent more effective than the one you don't know is an opponent.

A Dem label means nothing.

[shance]

9. We should implement the same state wide/grassroots momentum

that was created when nominating Governor Dean. We should build state by state and work with our DNC statewide leadership to create a movement that D.C. cannot easily ignore. That's probably the only way its going to happen. Like Cindy Sheehan has proved, it's up to us to GO TO THEM, they are not coming to us.

It needs to be built citywide, then the states, ultimately with all Democratic groups mobilizing together from the ground up, like we did to build momentum and support for Governor Dean.

Sadly, and amazingly many who call themselves Democrats are doing nothing to address election fraud, the most important issue for our nation. Why? When it stands to jeopardize their seat? Or is it the other way around? I don't know.

However, what seems apparent is many are not going to do anything about it, and those that would like to in Washington can only go so far unless we provide the support and back up to make things happen. That means numbers. That means delivering the message of election reform/fraud throughout neighborhood canvassing. Its up to us to help move it along and that will take mobilization and neighborhood networking. It is a bipartisan issue too. Many Republicans realize that. We have to take the reins on this issue and like Cindy, take it to them where they cannot ignore it any longer. We've built a foundation, but we have gotten side tracked and it's time to look at ways to work with organizations and bring Americans together to raise consciousness on the importance of this issue. It's all about mobilization now.

Thanks for the post. I had not seen this.

[rhett o rick]

10. I am with you all the way. I think many Democrat politicans are supported

by Big Money and reluctant to take a stand against them. We need fighters that are not beholding to Big Money.

[bearfan454]

13. Very true. n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. Just because he doesn't buy into your conspiracy theories

doesn't mean that he is a Republican. How vocal has Howard Dean been about this issue? Is he a stealth Republican too?

[MaineDem]

14. Did you get his name?

The DNC is going to push Democrats in states that have citizen initiative referendum provisions to get the signatures to have a vote to outlaw the bad kind of voting machines. Make sure there is a verifiable paper trail, for example. This may have been what he was talking about.

No excuse for his rudeness, however. Was it possible he thought you were a GOP plant making the call?

[LittleClarkie]

18. We don't know how nice or how rude the caller was either

from Buzzflash, I mean.

I'd have hung up after, "You sound like a Republican," too.

[LittleClarkie]

15. If you would have told me I sounded like a Republican

you would have been lucky not to get a "fuck you."

Are you sure your tone didn't elicit the reaction you got? And how high up was the guy you spoke to? I'm wondering what you expected to get if this person was just some worker without alotta power.

[faithnotgreed]

17. now thats a rant i can dig

very right on

[theboss]

21. If you called me at work and started yelling at me and calling me names

I would probably hang up too.

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[LoZoccolo]

23. Whoever wrote this probably sounded crazy on the phone.

This was his answer. He said they were going to have voter education programs. (Educate us for what? How will that keep the GOP from stealing elections?) And they were going to introduce legislation blah, blah, blah. And how is this going to get passed? I started to question him further and he got rude. I then said he sounded like a Republican ... And he said, "Better yet"!!!!!!!! Then he hung up on me. Better yet? And just what Democrat would answer like that????? Is this a GOP operative planted in the Democratic Headquarters? Or don't they care?

I am not surprised at all that this guy got hung up on. I would have decided this guy was wasting precious party resources as well once he started calling me names.

We start talking about a "purge" before we have any idea what kind of weird call this became.

NOTE TO MODERATORS: Please note that the story about the call was not written by the original poster, but was quoted. My comments are not a personal attack against another DUer.