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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 07:59 PM
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Poll question: Right now, in this time frame, who are your TOP Candidates for 2008.
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 08:20 PM by KoKo01
Just doing a check of DU Temperatures, here. Just to capture where we are. 2006 Mid-Terms are the Most Important...but there's so much talk of '04, I try to keep in touch with what fellow DU'ers are thinking. I'm leaving out some others who might be running or who have large support group here on DU. I wanted to define the candidates for this poll.

So...here goes:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:00 PM
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1. I voted for Kerry in '04!
:)
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:00 PM
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2. I don't have a candidate for 2004.
If you want one for 2008, my choice is Wes Clark. :P
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:01 PM
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3. My top candidate for 2004 was Wes Clark.
In this time frame I think we should have run him.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:07 PM
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9. Clark would have made an awesome prez! n/t
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:23 PM
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32. Gore / Clark for a ticket in 2008
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 10:26 PM by Rene
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:25 PM
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33. Gore / Clark for the ticket in 2008
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:03 PM
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4. 2004 is in the past, KoKo01. I am sure you meant 2008!
But is 2004 my favorites were Dean and Kucinich. I voted for Dennis in the 2004 May primary.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:19 PM
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15. OOPS...thanks!
:D Will Edit...
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:03 PM
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5. Assuming you mean '08........Al Gore
He's the only one on the list that I would vote for.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:05 PM
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6. The Al Gore that opposed the war in Iraq would get my vote
but as of now, any candidate that calls for a US troop withdrawal from Iraq has my attention. I voted for Feingold in this poll.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:47 AM
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46. Al Gore: the best sea captain we've got for the shit storm Bush stirred up
I like Al Gore. The guy is a class act all the way. He knows and understand more about America and its place in the 21st century than any other American.

His Move-on speeches were the best political speeches since Ted sorenson was wielding a pen fore JFK.

If Al Gore announces is candidacy I will work for his campaign.

And God help any news reporter who smears him as they did before in 2000. I will break my foot off in their ass if I catch them.

Gore was out in front of any other major Democratic candidate in his opposition to the Iraq invasion. When others went along with Bush in his march to war, Gore stood out as a major voice in opposition to it.

A little more than two years ago, Gore laid it all out for whoever runs in 2008.

Former Vice President Al Gore
Remarks to MoveOn.org
New York University
August 7, 2003

-AS PREPARED-

Ladies and Gentlemen:
Thank you for your investment of time and energy in gathering here today. I would especially like to thank Moveon.org for sponsoring this event, and the NYU College Democrats for co-sponsoring the speech and for hosting us.

Some of you may remember that my last formal public address on these topics was delivered in San Francisco, a little less than a year ago, when I argued that the President's case for urgent, unilateral, pre-emptive war in Iraq was less than convincing and needed to be challenged more effectively by the Congress.

In light of developments since then, you might assume that my purpose today is to revisit the manner in which we were led into war. To some extent, that will be the case - but only as part of a larger theme that I feel should now be explored on an urgent basis.
The direction in which our nation is being led is deeply troubling to me -- not only in Iraq but also here at home on economic policy, social policy and environmental policy.

Millions of Americans now share a feeling that something pretty basic has gone wrong in our country and that some important American values are being placed at risk. And they want to set it right.
The way we went to war in Iraq illustrates this larger problem. Normally, we Americans lay the facts on the table, talk through the choices before us and make a decision. But that didn't really happen with this war -- not the way it should have. And as a result, too many of our soldiers are paying the highest price, for the strategic miscalculations, serious misjudgments, and historic mistakes that have put them and our nation in harm's way.

I'm convinced that one of the reasons that we didn't have a better public debate before the Iraq War started is because so many of the impressions that the majority of the country had back then turn out to have been completely wrong. Leaving aside for the moment the question of how these false impressions got into the public's mind, it might be healthy to take a hard look at the ones we now know were wrong and clear the air so that we can better see exactly where we are now and what changes might need to be made.

In any case, what we now know to have been false impressions include the following:

(1) Saddam Hussein was partly responsible for the attack against us on September 11th, 2001, so a good way to respond to that attack would be to invade his country and forcibly remove him from power.

(2) Saddam was working closely with Osama Bin Laden and was actively supporting members of the Al Qaeda terrorist group, giving them weapons and money and bases and training, so launching a war against Iraq would be a good way to stop Al Qaeda from attacking us again.

(3) Saddam was about to give the terrorists poison gas and deadly germs that he had made into weapons which they could use to kill millions of Americans. Therefore common sense alone dictated that we should send our military into Iraq in order to protect our loved ones and ourselves against a grave threat.

(4) Saddam was on the verge of building nuclear bombs and giving them to the terrorists. And since the only thing preventing Saddam from acquiring a nuclear arsenal was access to enriched uranium, once our spies found out that he had bought the enrichment technology he needed and was actively trying to buy uranium from Africa, we had very little time left. Therefore it seemed imperative during last Fall's election campaign to set aside less urgent issues like the economy and instead focus on the congressional resolution approving war against Iraq.

(5) Our GI's would be welcomed with open arms by cheering Iraqis who would help them quickly establish public safety, free markets and Representative Democracy, so there wouldn't be that much risk that US soldiers would get bogged down in a guerrilla war.

(6) Even though the rest of the world was mostly opposed to the war, they would quickly fall in line after we won and then contribute lots of money and soldiers to help out, so there wouldn't be that much risk that US taxpayers would get stuck with a huge bill.
Now, of course, everybody knows that every single one of these impressions was just dead wrong.

For example, according to the just-released Congressional investigation, Saddam had nothing whatsoever to do with the attacks of Sept. 11. Therefore, whatever other goals it served -- and it did serve some other goals -- the decision to invade Iraq made no sense as a way of exacting revenge for 9/11. To the contrary, the US pulled significant intelligence resources out of Pakistan and Afghanistan in order to get ready for the rushed invasion of Iraq and that disrupted the search for Osama at a critical time. And the indifference we showed to the rest of the world's opinion in the process undermined the global cooperation we need to win the war against terrorism.

In the same way, the evidence now shows clearly that Saddam did not want to work with Osama Bin Laden at all, much less give him weapons of mass destruction. So our invasion of Iraq had no effect on Al Qaeda, other than to boost their recruiting efforts.

And on the nuclear issue of course, it turned out that those documents were actually forged by somebody -- though we don't know who.

As for the cheering Iraqi crowds we anticipated, unfortunately, that didn't pan out either, so now our troops are in an ugly and dangerous situation.

Moreover, the rest of the world certainly isn't jumping in to help out very much the way we expected, so US taxpayers are now having to spend a billion dollars a week.

In other words, when you put it all together, it was just one mistaken impression after another. Lots of them.
And it's not just in foreign policy. The same thing has been happening in economic policy, where we've also got another huge and threatening mess on our hands. I'm convinced that one reason we've had so many nasty surprises in our economy is that the country somehow got lots of false impressions about what we could expect from the big tax cuts that were enacted, including:

(1) The tax cuts would unleash a lot of new investment that would create lots of new jobs.

(2) We wouldn't have to worry about a return to big budget deficits -- because all the new growth in the economy caused by the tax cuts would lead to a lot of new revenue.

(3) Most of the benefits would go to average middle-income families, not to the wealthy, as some partisans claimed.

Unfortunately, here too, every single one of these impressions turned out to be wrong. Instead of creating jobs, for example, we are losing millions of jobs -- net losses for three years in a row. That hasn't happened since the Great Depression. As I've noted before, I was the first one laid off.

And it turns out that most of the benefits actually are going to the highest income Americans, who unfortunately are the least likely group to spend money in ways that create jobs during times when the economy is weak and unemployment is rising.

And of course the budget deficits are already the biggest ever - with the worst still due to hit us. As a percentage of our economy, we've had bigger ones -- but these are by far the most dangerous we've ever had for two reasons: first, they're not temporary; they're structural and long-term; second, they are going to get even bigger just at the time when the big baby-boomer retirement surge starts.

Moreover, the global capital markets have begun to recognize the unprecedented size of this emerging fiscal catastrophe. In truth, the current Executive Branch of the U.S. Government is radically different from any since the McKinley Administration 100 years ago.
The 2001 winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics, George Akerlof, went even further last week in Germany when he told Der Spiegel, "This is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history...This is not normal government policy." In describing the impact of the Bush policies on America's future, Akerloff added, "What we have here is a form of looting."
Ominously, the capital markets have just pushed U.S. long-term mortgage rates higher soon after the Federal Reserve Board once again reduced discount rates. Monetary policy loses some of its potency when fiscal policy comes unglued. And after three years of rate cuts in a row, Alan Greenspan and his colleagues simply don't have much room left for further reductions.

This situation is particularly dangerous right now for several reasons: first because home-buying fueled by low rates (along with car-buying, also a rate-sensitive industry) have been just about the only reliable engines pulling the economy forward; second, because so many Americans now have Variable Rate Mortgages; and third, because average personal debt is now at an all-time high -- a lot of Americans are living on the edge.

It seems obvious that big and important issues like the Bush economic policy and the first Pre-emptive War in U.S. history should have been debated more thoroughly in the Congress, covered more extensively in the news media, and better presented to the American people before our nation made such fateful choices. But that didn't happen, and in both cases, reality is turning out to be very different from the impression that was given when the votes -- and the die -- were cast.

Since this curious mismatch between myth and reality has suddenly become commonplace and is causing such extreme difficulty for the nation's ability to make good choices about our future, maybe it is time to focus on how in the world we could have gotten so many false impressions in such a short period of time.

At first, I thought maybe the President's advisers were a big part of the problem. Last fall, in a speech on economic policy at the Brookings Institution, I called on the President to get rid of his whole economic team and pick a new group. And a few weeks later, damned if he didn't do just that - and at least one of the new advisers had written eloquently about the very problems in the Bush economic policy that I was calling upon the President to fix.
But now, a year later, we still have the same bad economic policies and the problems have, if anything, gotten worse. So obviously I was wrong: changing all the president's advisers didn't work as a way of changing the policy.

I remembered all that last month when everybody was looking for who ought to be held responsible for the false statements in the President's State of the Union Address. And I've just about concluded that the real problem may be the President himself and that next year we ought to fire him and get a new one.

But whether you agree with that conclusion or not, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican -- or an Independent, a Libertarian, a Green or a Mugwump -- you've got a big stake in making sure that Representative Democracy works the way it is supposed to. And today, it just isn't working very well. We all need to figure out how to fix it because we simply cannot keep on making such bad decisions on the basis of false impressions and mistaken assumptions.
Earlier, I mentioned the feeling many have that something basic has gone wrong. Whatever it is, I think it has a lot to do with the way we seek the truth and try in good faith to use facts as the basis for debates about our future -- allowing for the unavoidable tendency we all have to get swept up in our enthusiasms.

That last point is worth highlighting. Robust debate in a democracy will almost always involve occasional rhetorical excesses and leaps of faith, and we're all used to that. I've even been guilty of it myself on occasion. But there is a big difference between that and a systematic effort to manipulate facts in service to a totalistic ideology that is felt to be more important than the mandates of basic honesty.

Unfortunately, I think it is no longer possible to avoid the conclusion that what the country is dealing with in the Bush Presidency is the latter. That is really the nub of the problem -- the common source for most of the false impressions that have been frustrating the normal and healthy workings of our democracy.
Americans have always believed that we the people have a right to know the truth and that the truth will set us free. The very idea of self-government depends upon honest and open debate as the preferred method for pursuing the truth -- and a shared respect for the Rule of Reason as the best way to establish the truth.

The Bush Administration routinely shows disrespect for that whole basic process, and I think it's partly because they feel as if they already know the truth and aren't very curious to learn about any facts that might contradict it. They and the members of groups that belong to their ideological coalition are true believers in each other's agendas.

There are at least a couple of problems with this approach:
First, powerful and wealthy groups and individuals who work their way into the inner circle -- with political support or large campaign contributions -- are able to add their own narrow special interests to the list of favored goals without having them weighed against the public interest or subjected to the rule of reason. And the greater the conflict between what they want and what's good for the rest of us, the greater incentive they have to bypass the normal procedures and keep it secret.

That's what happened, for example, when Vice President Cheney invited all of those oil and gas industry executives to meet in secret sessions with him and his staff to put their wish lists into the administration's legislative package in early 2001.
That group wanted to get rid of the Kyoto Treaty on Global Warming, of course, and the Administration pulled out of it first thing. The list of people who helped write our nation's new environmental and energy policies is still secret, and the Vice President won't say whether or not his former company, Halliburton, was included. But of course, as practically everybody in the world knows, Halliburton was given a huge open-ended contract to take over and run the Iraqi oil fields-- without having to bid against any other companies.
Secondly, when leaders make up their minds on a policy without ever having to answer hard questions about whether or not it's good or bad for the American people as a whole, they can pretty quickly get into situations where it's really uncomfortable for them to defend what they've done with simple and truthful explanations. That's when they're tempted to fuzz up the facts and create false impressions. And when other facts start to come out that undermine the impression they're trying to maintain, they have a big incentive to try to keep the truth bottled up if -- they can -- or distort it.

For example, a couple of weeks ago, the White House ordered its own EPA to strip important scientific information about the dangers of global warming out of a public report. Instead, the White House substituted information that was partly paid for by the American Petroleum Institute. This week, analysts at the Treasury Department told a reporter that they're now being routinely ordered to change their best analysis of what the consequences of the Bush tax laws are likely to be for the average person.

Here is the pattern that I see: the President's mishandling of and selective use of the best evidence available on the threat posed by Iraq is pretty much the same as the way he intentionally distorted the best available evidence on climate change, and rejected the best available evidence on the threat posed to America's economy by his tax and budget proposals.

In each case, the President seems to have been pursuing policies chosen in advance of the facts -- policies designed to benefit friends and supporters -- and has used tactics that deprived the American people of any opportunity to effectively subject his arguments to the kind of informed scrutiny that is essential in our system of checks and balances.

The administration has developed a highly effective propaganda machine to imbed in the public mind mythologies that grow out of the one central doctrine that all of the special interests agree on, which -- in its purest form -- is that government is very bad and should be done away with as much as possible -- except the parts of it that redirect money through big contracts to industries that have won their way into the inner circle.

For the same reasons they push the impression that government is bad, they also promote the myth that there really is no such thing as the public interest. What's important to them is private interests. And what they really mean is that those who have a lot of wealth should be left alone, rather than be called upon to reinvest in society through taxes.

Perhaps the biggest false impression of all lies in the hidden social objectives of this Administration that are advertised with the phrase "compassionate conservatism" -- which they claim is a new departure with substantive meaning. But in reality, to be compassionate is meaningless, if compassion is limited to the mere awareness of the suffering of others. The test of compassion is action. What the administration offers with one hand is the rhetoric of compassion; what it takes away with the other hand are the financial resources necessary to make compassion something more than an empty and fading impression.

Maybe one reason that false impressions have a played a bigger role than they should is that both Congress and the news media have been less vigilant and exacting than they should have been in the way they have tried to hold the Administration accountable.
Whenever both houses of Congress are controlled by the President's party, there is a danger of passivity and a temptation for the legislative branch to abdicate its constitutional role. If the party in question is unusually fierce in demanding ideological uniformity and obedience, then this problem can become even worse and prevent the Congress from properly exercising oversight. Under these circumstances, the majority party in the Congress has a special obligation to the people to permit full Congressional inquiry and oversight rather than to constantly frustrate and prevent it.
Whatever the reasons for the recent failures to hold the President properly accountable, America has a compelling need to quickly breathe new life into our founders' system of checks and balances -- because some extremely important choices about our future are going to be made shortly, and it is imperative that we avoid basing them on more false impressions.

One thing the President could do to facilitate the restoration of checks and balances is to stop blocking reasonable efforts from the Congress to play its rightful role. For example, he could order his appointees to cooperate fully with the bipartisan National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, headed by former Republican Governor Tom Kean. And he should let them examine how the White House handled the warnings that are said to have been given to the President by the intelligence community.

Two years ago yesterday, for example, according to the Wall Street Journal, the President was apparently advised in specific language that Al Qaeda was going to hijack some airplanes to conduct a terrorist strike inside the U.S.

I understand his concern about people knowing exactly what he read in the privacy of the Oval Office, and there is a legitimate reason for treating such memos to the President with care. But that concern has to be balanced against the national interest in improving the way America deals with such information. And the apparently chaotic procedures that were used to handle the forged nuclear documents from Niger certainly show evidence that there is room for improvement in the way the White House is dealing with intelligence memos. Along with other members of the previous administration, I certainly want the commission to have access to any and all documents sent to the White House while we were there that have any bearing on this issue. And President Bush should let the commission see the ones that he read too.

After all, this President has claimed the right for his executive branch to send his assistants into every public library in America and secretly monitor what the rest of us are reading. That's been the law ever since the Patriot Act was enacted. If we have to put up with such a broad and extreme invasion of our privacy rights in the name of terrorism prevention, surely he can find a way to let this National Commission know how he and his staff handled a highly specific warning of terrorism just 36 days before 9/11.

And speaking of the Patriot Act, the president ought to reign in John Ashcroft and stop the gross abuses of civil rights that twice have been documented by his own Inspector General. And while he's at it, he needs to reign in Donald Rumsfeld and get rid of that DoD "Total Information Awareness" program that's right out of George Orwell's 1984.

The administration hastened from the beginning to persuade us that defending America against terror cannot be done without seriously abridging the protections of the Constitution for American citizens, up to and including an asserted right to place them in a form of limbo totally beyond the authority of our courts. And that view is both wrong and fundamentally un-American.

But the most urgent need for new oversight of the Executive Branch and the restoration of checks and balances is in the realm of our security, where the Administration is asking that we accept a whole cluster of new myths:

For example, the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty was an effort to strike a bargain between states possessing nuclear weapons and all others who had pledged to refrain from developing them. This administration has rejected it and now, incredibly, wants to embark on a new program to build a brand new generation of smaller (and it hopes, more usable) nuclear bombs. In my opinion, this would be true madness -- and the point of no return to the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty -- even as we and our allies are trying to prevent a nuclear testing breakout by North Korea and Iran.

Similarly, the Kyoto treaty is an historic effort to strike a grand bargain between free-market capitalism and the protection of the global environment, now gravely threatened by rapidly accelerating warming of the Earth's atmosphere and the consequent disruption of climate patterns that have persisted throughout the entire history of civilization as we know it. This administration has tried to protect the oil and coal industries from any restrictions at all -- though Kyoto may become legally effective for global relations even without U.S. participation.

Ironically, the principal cause of global warming is our civilization's addiction to burning massive quantities carbon-based fuels, including principally oil -- the most important source of which is the Persian Gulf, where our soldiers have been sent for the second war in a dozen years -- at least partly to ensure our continued access to oil.

We need to face the fact that our dangerous and unsustainable consumption of oil from a highly unstable part of the world is similar in its consequences to all other addictions. As it becomes worse, the consequences get more severe and you have to pay the dealer more.

And by now, it is obvious to most Americans that we have had one too many wars in the Persian Gulf and that we need an urgent effort to develop environmentally sustainable substitutes for fossil fuels and a truly international effort to stabilize the Persian Gulf and rebuild Iraq.

The removal of Saddam from power is a positive accomplishment in its own right for which the President deserves credit, just as he deserves credit for removing the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. But in the case of Iraq, we have suffered enormous collateral damage because of the manner in which the Administration went about the invasion. And in both cases, the aftermath has been badly mishandled.

The administration is now trying to give the impression that it is in favor of NATO and UN participation in such an effort. But it is not willing to pay the necessary price, which is support of a new UN Resolution and genuine sharing of control inside Iraq.

If the 21st century is to be well started, we need a national agenda that is worked out in concert with the people, a healing agenda that is built on a true national consensus. Millions of Americans got the impression that George W. Bush wanted to be a "healer, not a divider", a president devoted first and foremost to "honor and integrity." Yet far from uniting the people, the president's ideologically narrow agenda has seriously divided America. His most partisan supporters have launched a kind of 'civil cold war' against those with whom they disagree.

And as for honor and integrity, let me say this: we know what that was all about, but hear me well, not as a candidate for any office, but as an American citizen who loves my country:

For eight years, the Clinton-Gore Administration gave this nation honest budget numbers; an economic plan with integrity that rescued the nation from debt and stagnation; honest advocacy for the environment; real compassion for the poor; a strengthening of our military -- as recently proven -- and a foreign policy whose purposes were elevated, candidly presented and courageously pursued, in the face of scorched-earth tactics by the opposition. That is also a form of honor and integrity, and not every administration in recent memory has displayed it.

So I would say to those who have found the issue of honor and integrity so useful as a political tool, that the people are also looking for these virtues in the execution of public policy on their behalf, and will judge whether they are present or absent.

I am proud that my party has candidates for president committed to those values. I admire the effort and skill they are putting into their campaigns. I am not going to join them, but later in the political cycle I will endorse one of them, because I believe that we must stand for a future in which the United States will again be feared only by its enemies; in which our country will again lead the effort to create an international order based on the rule of law; a nation which upholds fundamental rights even for those it believes to be its captured enemies; a nation whose financial house is in order; a nation where the market place is kept healthy by effective government scrutiny; a country which does what is necessary to provide for the health, education, and welfare of our people; a society in which citizens of all faiths enjoy equal standing; a republic once again comfortable that its chief executive knows the limits as well as the powers of the presidency; a nation that places the highest value on facts, not ideology, as the basis for all its great debates and decisions."

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:17 PM
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87. Post 2000 Al Gore would've destroyed Bush
But I think that he's pretty clearly out of politics.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:05 PM
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7. I like Harry S Truman over Dewey .... 1948 and it is a brave new world.
:rofl:


BTW Watch out 2 republican shits .... they will do anything ......
one is called Nixon the other is called McCarthy
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:06 PM
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8. How about Paul Hackett ???
He did very well in a very Red part of the country. That could be VERY useful.

I was a Deaniac in '04. Wes Clark is not a bad choice.
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:24 PM
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18. How 'bout Senator Hackett!!!
Junior senator from Ohio
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:25 PM
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19. Wesley all the wayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
Clark is immortal on DU
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magnetism Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 08:48 AM
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80. I like the sound of
a Clark/Hackett ticket.

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novak goes postal Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:33 PM
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24. Great Idea
Hope that he has had it too... He is a gorgous candidate...
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:07 PM
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10. Won't even *begin* to think about it
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 08:08 PM by longship
until late 2007 at the earliest. That's two years from now.

Yes, I do have some ideas. But the gods only know who's gonna pop out of the woodwork. There are so many variables who could come to a conclusion now?

I *do* know one think. It isn't Hillary, Kerry, or even Gore. I would accept Gore long before Hillary or Kerry.

I'm patiently waiting for a progressive to jump into the race. Then, if it isn't within a year of the election, I'll wait some more.

Also, I do like Wes Clark.


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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:10 PM
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11. Clark Clealand 08 (nt)
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:20 AM
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48. Sorry to disappoint you but ...
Cleland already said he will back Kerry again.

"Former U.S. senator from Georgia Max Cleland, a real American hero, was the guest of honor. He spoke eloquently from his wheelchair after telling me that he would back Sen. John Kerry in another run for the presidency in 2008.

“There’s a lot of support for Kerry, and we’ll get it right this time,” he said."

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=224

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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:13 PM
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12. Wes Clark in 2008
n/t
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:13 PM
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13. Even in polls that don't include Wes Clark
he still appears to have the most support.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:28 PM
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20. I understand that. But, I left him out on this poll and some others of
mine because he has huge support and folks come out from all over just to Clark the Polls here on DU.

If he's the frontrunner for '08...my little polls aren't going to hurt him...just want the pulse of DU without Clark at this point. :shrug:

Yes..indeed I know he would win any DU Poll hands down.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:37 PM
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36. Your poll, your choice
But you render it meaningless.

We Clarkies are DUers, same as everybody else.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:10 AM
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50. I second that emotion
The question is who are our top candidates--my answer, like many others', is Wes Clark, whether he's included in the poll or not. Maybe he gets a lot of support in these DU polls because he's worth it. Just a theory....

My dream team is Clark/Conyers--runner-up dream team, Clark/Boxer.
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cyn2 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:52 AM
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82. Wes Clark
weather he's in the poll or not!
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:49 PM
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39. Wes Clark
Irregardless of whether people come from all over to vote for Clark in any DU poll....don't they also have to be members of DU to vote?

Interesting way to have done this...kudos for originality...
windbreeze
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:19 PM
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92. uh what??? Like we're not "real" du'ers?...
"folks come from all over just to Clark the polls"

hmm...maybe we're all really just 1 person, with hundreds of aliases, sent by the clark campaign just to create the illusion that he has a lot of followers. Boy, I gotta tell ya, I'm gettin' real tired, and my fingers are permanently deformed...:crazy:

jeez, it's really no wonder we never pick the right guy!

"paranoia will destroy ya!" :)
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:19 PM
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14. Another Clarkie here
Where the heck is he and how is he doing? It seems very timely for him to make a statement about Iraq.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:43 AM
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53. Clark has been speaking about Iraq and many other issues
And will be on Fox News in about an hour and half.

You can keep up with his shedule at the WesPAC website:
http://securingamerica.com/
There are copies of some of his recent speeches and op/ed's there too.

Here's what they're listing for the next couple weeks:
August 21st: Fox News Live at 10:15AM Central Time
August 30: Madison, WI
August 30: La Crosse, WI
August 31st: Iowa
September 2: Ambrosetti Forum
September 8th: Congressional Candidate Boot Camp
September 15-17: Clinton Global Initiative

There's also a conference on terrorism in DC in early Sept at which he's scheduled to speak, but it hasn't been added yet.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:59 AM
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64. He's getting around a lot

May 4th: Center for American Progress, Washington DC, Homeland Security and Data Revolution - featured speaker

May 5th: Groundbreaking ceremoney, Lea County Democratic Party headquarters, Hobbs NM

May 5th: New Mexico Jefferson Jackson Dinner - keynote speaker

May 6th: The Atlantic Council and the Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany --"Germany and NATO: The Next 50 Years" - speaker

May 13th: Arkansas Democrats Khakis & Catfish event

May 14th: Associated Press Editors Luncheon

May 14th: Democratic Party of Arkansas 2005 Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinner

May 17th: Mississippi Delta Grassroots Caucus in Washington D.C.

May 18th: Chicago Council on Foreign Relations-

May 18th: A New Strategy for America-- speaking engagement, Chicago

May 21st: Keynote speaker at ACLU of Georgia Annual Bill of Rights dinner:

May 23rd: Jimmie Lou Fisher Campaign Debt Payoff Fundraiser, Little Rock, AR

May 24th: Interoperable Communications and Emergency Preparedness Conference, Phoenix AZ

May 24th: Arizona Democratic Party Press Conference with Veterans

May 25th: Arizona Democratic Party "Democratic Vision" Speech, Burton Barr Central Library, Phoenix

May 28th: Democratic Party Memorial Day Radio Response

May 30th: Al Franken radio show

June 6th: Ed Schultz radio show

June 12th: Annual Flag Day Dinner-Manchester City Democratic Committee, NH- Keynote speaker

June 14th: Emergency Preparedness Communication Conference, Houston TX

June 19th: C-Span "Road to the White House"

June 22nd: Testifying --UN Task Force Congressional Hearing

June 22nd: Fundraiser for Congressman Lincoln Davis, Washington, DC, special guest

June 23rd: Senators' Democratic Policy Committee lunch, Washington DC, guest speaker

June 23rd: Fundraiser for Congressional Candidate Eric Massa NY-29, Washington DC, special guest; endorsed

June 25th: Be The Change-USA/Douglas County Democrats "Celebration of Democracy" in Colorado - special guest

June 27th-July 2nd - 78th Annual League of United Latin American Citizens National Convention -guest of honor

June 28th: Response to Presidential Address on Fox Special Report

June 29th: Letter in Wall Street Journal urging diplomatic strategy for Iraq

July 5-10th: Aspen Institute Ideas Seminar

July 11th: USA Today Op-Ed on Iraq and terrorism

July 15th-18th: National Clark Community Meet-Up, Little Rock AR

July 19th: Nextel Communications business forum, Indianapolis IN, spoke on emergency communications and Iraq War

July 20th: Democratic national security advisory group report

July 22nd: Endorsed Democratic candidate for US Senate, Paul Hackett Ohio-02

July 29th: Audio message for Maine Democrats re Muskie Lobster Fest 8/7

August 2nd: GOTV audio message for Paul Hackett OH-02

August 3rd - Congressman Charlie Rangel's 75th Birthday Gala, Tavern on the Green, NYC, Special Guest

August 7th - Maine Democratic Party Ed Muskie Annual Lobster Festival, Brunswick ME, Keynote Speaker

August 8th - Radio Interview, KPCC Radio (NPR Affiliate), 11-12pm PDT, "Air Talk" with Larry Mantle; "The Future of the Democratic Party"

August 10th - Arizona Technology Council, keynote speaker

August 11th - WesPac Fundraiser, Washington DC

August 13th - 2005 Clark County Clinton Day Dinner, Arkadelphia AR, Keynote Speaker

August 14th: 9:25PM - History Channel's VJ Day 60th Anniversary Celebration

August 29th-September 2nd: Blogging at Talking Points Memo Cafe

August 30th: 11AM - Madison WI, WesPac Fundraiser, American Table Family Restaurant

August 30th: 12PM - Madison, WI, Fundraiser luncheon for the Wisconsin Democratic Party, Inn on the Park; press conference with veterans; will endorse endorse Gov Doyle/Lt Gov Lawton

August 30th: 6:00PM - La Crosse, WI, 4th Annual Wisconsin Corn Roast at the La Crosse County Fairground, fundraiser for U.S. Rep. Ron Kind

August 31st: Iowa

September 2nd-4th: Villa d'Este International Workshop, Ambrosetti Conference, Cernobbio, Italy

September 6th: Terrorism, Security & America's Purpose Conference, Washington DC, Featured Speaker

September 8th: AFSCME Congressional Candidate Boot Camp, Phoenix, AZ, Guest Speaker

September 15-17 - Clinton Global Initiative, climate change technology advisory board, New York City

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Advisor, US Congress Democratic National Security Advisory Group

Congressional Task Force on United Nations Reform

Stop Global Warming Virtual March

Vice Chairman, US Crisis Group
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:19 PM
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16. Boxer! Kucinich! Conyers!
Jeez, you left out all the dems I could possibly vote for. MAYBE Feingold, but I'd be more inclined to vote green.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:34 PM
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25. I'm with you, mike_c. n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:20 PM
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88. You can't vote for the only Senator to oppose the Patriot Act?
He opposes the Iraq war, "Free" trade, tax cuts, corporate bribery, and is pretty liberal on everything. Feingold would easily be the best dem President since Kennedy if not better.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:22 PM
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17. DU temperature
isn't the same as the national temperature.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:30 PM
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22. Why would I care what "brain dead, media infested" average Americans
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 08:30 PM by KoKo01
think about 2008 Election?

I only care about the people I'm going through this HELL on EARTH with...that's my fellow DU'ers. :shrug:
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:45 PM
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27. mmm, no argument from me. eom
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:10 AM
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41. Yep, it's much more accurate here!


:rofl:
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:26 AM
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57. Clever?
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 11:38 AM by Inspired
The DU is not more accurate. How many polls showed Kerry as the top choice in '04? Before you pounce on me (we love to eat our own, don't we...and we think only repugs hate diversity) in many ways I wish it was. I am far more liberal than the average US citizen. My choice candidate (Kucinich) doesn't stand a chance.

The reality is that no matter how many polls are posted on the DU, the chances of the DU top choice being the actual nominee isn't that high. Or haven't you noticed national polls? But hey....poll away. It can be interesting but usually it's very predictable.
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novak goes postal Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:29 PM
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21. Wes Clarke, Barbara Boxer, John Conyers,Russ Feingold, John Edwards
My list of heros..... Absoulty no DLC.... Don't tell the Repubs because they love beating up on Clinton. If Bill would run he could win in a walk. But Hillary that may be a different story... She is pro war and like Lieberman she appears to me as Republican Lite....
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growlypants Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:31 PM
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23. Barak Obama
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:54 PM
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29. oooh, like Barak Obama.....
First African-Ameerican president !!!!
Could do a whole lot worse...
...hell, we ARE doing a whole lot worse !!!!
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:39 AM
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58. For those Barack Obama Fans ( I am one, too),
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 11:42 AM by Totally Committed
did you all see that barking-at-the-moon-C R A Z Y article by the actor Michael Moriarty yesterday? (I had no idea this gifted actor was so looney-toons!) But, what he says about Obama is just nuts!:

"Presidential candidate Obama will coast to the 2008 campaign,
appearing briefly and infrequently with charming pass-bys on the
Jay Leno and David Letterman talk shows. Larry King will greet
him as warmly as the medium James Van Pragh is welcomed
once a month. Obama will sail to the Oval Office as America's
first, African-American President.

Well, at least, that's how Chicago's Congressman Jesse Jackson,
Jr. sees it. The University of Chicago's black think tank is there
to strategize on behalf of the Napoleonic Black Hope of the
basically French Revolutionary victory over the American
Revolution.

Obama's obvious loyalty to Africa, his keeping an African name,
is a nostalgic look back at the French Colonial Empire where the
Blacks much preferred servitude on French African plantations
over the anarchy of inter-tribal warfare. That France ended up
the only ally of the Southern, slave-holding Confederacy is an
irony, but Obama seems quite content to overlook that. He'd
rather spend his time, as he did in the Time article, disparaging
the Emancipation Proclamation as 'more a military document
than a clarion call for justice' and positing the real motives and
thinking within the mind and intellect of Abe Lincoln.

To Obama and his Rainbow Coalition, slavery under a French
Louisiana Confederate 'Massa' has proven to be preferable
over the precarious and challenging individual freedom African-
Americans faced in the capitalist northern U.S. states."


Here is the link to the whole nutty article:

The comrade-assisted suicide of North American liberalism

By Michael Moriarty
web posted August 15, 2005

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0805/0805comrade.htm

I didn't know whether to be offended or to look for a net to throw over him. Yikes!
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #58
67. Woah that dude is nuts.
Sam Waterston is a better actor too!
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musical_soul Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:38 PM
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26. Edwards.
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:39 PM
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28. John Kerry- no one else measures up! n/t
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:02 PM
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31. Trouble is John Kerry didn't measure up either...
...don't get me wrong, he is a good man and would of made a great President. He just didn't have the charisma or the ferocity that was needed.

okay, okay I was a Deaniac. I still think he could of run a stronger campaign.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:37 AM
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45. Charisma
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 12:38 AM by kerrygoddess
Who started that one anyway? Who? oh, Karl Rove. Yeah... Karl Rove said it... don't repeat it, it's a lie.



Kerry looks pretty tough here to me... and you know this one is from yesterday but I can scare up dozens like it from the campaign. The MSM called Kerry "Scrappy" yesterday... "Scrappy Kerry" (see the first comment here - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=288#comments)



The women are enthralled with him... but it's our little secret... he's loaded with charisma and charm!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:57 PM
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30. Eliot Spitzer!
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:34 PM
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34. Wes Clark n/t
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:35 PM
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35. Edwards
Still fighting for the core issues of liberals: economic fairness, the end to predatory lending and the defense of unions. This was his basic platform from the beginning, and remained so throughout the mess of '04.

He's in the wilderness now, but that may not be a bad thing.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:11 PM
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37. Can't vote....sorry.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:30 PM
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38. I'll take what she's having!
Yeah baby! :P





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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:05 AM
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40. Wes Clark nt
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:24 AM
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42. Wes, for crying out loud!!!
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 12:29 AM by liberaltrucker
Who the f*** else could convince the sheeple the libs AREN'T soft on defense??????
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:28 AM
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43. AB-DLC
And that's non-negotiable. Apart from that, I'm not worrying about it until 2007
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:32 AM
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44. Kerry
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:33 AM
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47. I have a strong preference for someone not in politics . . .
or, at minimum, not currently in office . . . no senators, no representatives, no governors . . . with one or two possible exceptions (Sanders? Conyers? Feingold?), they're ALL compromised to some extent . . . even those generally on "our side" on the issues . . .

don't have a specific name, but the type of person I'd like to see run would be a Robert Redford, a Bobby Kennedy, or a Gary Hart . . . someone dynamic, intelligent, and honest . . . someone capable of seeing the world as more than a collection of issues . . . someone committed to real change . . . someone, for example, who would refuse ALL corporate contributions . . .
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:27 AM
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49. Blllleeeeeaaaaaggggghhhhhh !!!!!!! n/t
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:18 AM
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51. Out of those choices....
I like Feingold the best.

But my top choice at this point is Senator Blanche Lincoln:

http://www.lincoln2008.com

A Lincoln/Feingold ticket in 2008 would be formidable...but so would a Lincoln/Warner ticket.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:38 AM
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52. Unknown, but I would try to re-elect President Gore. nt
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:46 AM
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54. Clark/ Warner/ Clinton/ Edwards/ Biden
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:58 AM
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55. My top 4 Candidates, in order of preference:
1. Clark

2. Clark

3. Clark

And, finally,

4. Clark

Anyone else is, at this point, in bed with the wrong people, washed-up has-beens (recycled because they think they can be), or both.

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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:58 AM
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56. Why have a poll without Wes Clark?
Did I miss something? Did he already say he isn't running?
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:44 AM
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59. Obvious Answer
He'd win.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:48 PM
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74. And the Democrats would too in 08. But what the heck, they seem to have
a fixation with LOSING.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:48 AM
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60. Wes Clark, without a doubt
Maybe you saw that WKC won the 3rd monthly dKos 2008 straw poll in a row (June, July and August). With over 8700 votes this month, it is obvious his popularity is not limited to DU.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:53 AM
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61. What about Barbara Boxer and Wes Clark? n/t
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:55 AM
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62. It sure won't be a DLCer. DLC = repuke lite = LOST ELECTIONS !
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:57 AM
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63. Clark
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SoCalifer Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:18 PM
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65. Al Gore / Paul Hackett
I think Al Gore would make a great choice, and after all these years with him out of the spot light, I think it would take a lot of the wind out the Repuke's smear-tactic sails. Paul Hackett would be a great choice to put into the VP position to build him up for the hand-off after 8yrs with Al Gore.

Also, I think since we here in California seem to enjoy electing movie stars as our Governors, I would like to see either Martin Sheen or Alec Baldwin terminate the Governator's employment.




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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:13 PM
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66. Gore awesome; Wes Clark may be best, also Barbara Boxer
maybe even Brian Schweitzer from Montana. Clark and Schweitzer are pretty much Swift Boat-proof-- not easy to tar a decorated general with a don't-f*#&-with-me sort of demeanor, and Schweitzer rules one of the reddest of red states by reaching out to the pro-environmentalist instincts in hunters and fishers. Gore is on fire whenever he speaks, and he's managed to electrify audiences and attract broad-based support wherever he goes. Barbara Boxer is probably the toughest-talking senator in Congress, a one-woman wrecking crew against neocon and Rethug prevarications.
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trillian Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:32 PM
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68. Wes Clark is the answer! n/t
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:22 PM
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69. Wes Clark would be my first choice.
Russ Feingold would probably be my second. I'm not sure that I could even vote for most of the other people being talked about.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:32 PM
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70. Clark gets my vote!
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:11 PM
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71. No Clark=No Vote N/T
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:38 PM
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72. Howard Dean in 2008
The last thing we need is a candidate who will carry water for the DLC. Dean may well be our only hope.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:45 PM
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93. He'd better not
He's got work to do elsewhere. If I find out he became Chairman to campaign for president, he will irrevocably lose whatever support I've given him thus far.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:42 PM
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73. No Clark but plenty of people who voted for the war.
Get ready for four more years of the Republicans.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:42 AM
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75. We'll never really know
how Clark might have voted were he a Senator will we. So we can't really compare apples and oranges.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:14 AM
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76. Geeez, if Clark/Gore runs, Hooray.
Problem is, we're dealing with sheeple who have an average IQ of about 17. Good grief, Charlie Brown, we can't run a presidential ticket who is smarter than the average Murkin. President prick was the absolutely perfect candidate for the likes of Murica. Our top job is educating the pubic and raise their IQ maybe to 35. Then Clark/Gore or Gore/Clark might have a chance. Sure hope so. :9
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:41 AM
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77. Fantasy thrill ticket: Conyers/Boxer. Would love to see: Kucinich
Would also prefer Wes Clark to the ones in your list. A Kucinich/Clark ticket might be interesting. Edwards might be OK, I'd like to see more of him and get an update on what he stands for independent of the Kerry/Edwards 2004 campaign.

I DON'T want Clinton, Biden, or Kerry.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 02:14 AM
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78. Clark and only clark.
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 08:08 AM
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79. Clark!!
if he decides not to run, Feingold's got my support. If HE decides not to run, Kucinich. If HE doesn't run, will have to wait and see who throws their hat in the ring.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:50 AM
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81. Dean, Dean, Dean
... uh ... Howard Dean ?? Yeah, that's the one !! :evilgrin:
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:17 AM
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83. Wes Clark
definitely!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:13 PM
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84. John Kerry
:patriot: Senator Kerry in 2008!

:dem:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:59 PM
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85. Hillary/Clark/Edwards/Warner
In that order!!!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:15 PM
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86. Nobody. I'm not impressed with the entire lot.
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 10:17 PM by TankLV
We need new blood.

Somebody with a HUNGER and THIRST to win.

Not somebody who feels entitled to it just because he isn't a repuke criminal.

Besides - it's way too early.

You never know - maybe I'll get suckered again into voting "anybody but (insert repuke name here) - but I doubt it.

It will have to be someone who I actually WANT, not somebody to vote AGAINST.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:29 PM
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89. HA HA I'm not telling. It's a secret. Shhhhhh. n/t or candidate name
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:41 PM
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90. Edwards or Kucinich, but why not a celebrity?
I'm sick and tired of having the Republicans run celebrities like Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger. They even run c-list celebrities such as Sonny Bono and even d-list celebrities such as Gopher and Cooter and win!

Our celebrity bench is much deeper than theirs. Given that enough folks seem not to care about policy, perhaps it's time to consider running someone who is simply famous. The bonus is that I think the celebrities below would actually do a better job than, say, 60% of the Democrats in Congress, who are either worthless time-servers, gutless, or crypto-Republicans.

Here are my top ten celebrities who could win the White House, and are at least plausible:

10. Jon Bon Jovi
9. Tim Robbins or Susan Sarandon (your choice)
8. Dustin Hoffman
7. George Clooney
6. Harrison Ford
5. Kevin Spacey
4. Candice Bergen
3. Melissa Gilbert
2. Tom Hanks

And the number one, hands down, odds-on favorite, can win the White House whenever they decide to run celebrity is:

1. Oprah Winfrey
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:08 PM
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91. Any obedient sheep to the liberal cause will be fine.
It's not going to be easy to clean up the mess from the obedient sheep that the spend and borrow religious right wing has.
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