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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:37 AM
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Why Jeb Bush Could Run in 2008
Why Jeb Bush Could Run in 2008
Posted by James Joyner at 07:09
OpinionJournal editor Brendan Miniter thinks we should be careful about writing off the possibility of a Jeb Bush candidacy in 2008.

Bush 44

He denies he's even interested, and a long list of political analysts have already written him off with the belief that the appearance of political nepotism would be too unseemly for voters to put the brother of the current president in the Oval Office. But in politics timing is everything, and as the clock advances towards 2008, things are starting to fall into place to give Jeb Bush the momentum he needs to win the White House. And this isn't contingent on Hillary Clinton emerging as the Democrats' nominee--though if she does, the path will be all the smoother for another Bush.

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Ideas matter more in politics than having an "electable" candidate. Right now the ideas of the Bush family are ascendant. Bush 43 didn't win the White House on the coattails of his father. Name recognition didn't hurt, nor had all the contacts he'd made in politics. But the fact that Bush 41 lost to Bill Clinton in 1992 meant that George W. Bush had a particularly steep hill to climb within his own party. Republicans who stayed home to see the father lose would not have put the son over the top in 2000 unless he'd won them over first.

Before stepping out onto the national stage, this Bush generation's ideas of incrementally smaller government proved popular with voters in two large states. George W. Bush defeated Democratic incumbent Ann Richards in 1994 to become governor of Texas and was re-elected in 1998. The Lone Star State is clearly among the most conservative in the country, but Gov. Bush helped turn what was once a reliably Democratic state into one where Republicans now dominate. Jeb, meanwhile, lost a hard-fought race for governor in Florida in 1994. But he came back four years later and was re-elected in 2002, despite the residual bitterness from the 2000 presidential election and the Democrats' decision to make his defeat a priority.

With a strong string of electoral victories, why would Republicans now turn their backs on the Bushes? It certainly wouldn't be because of Jeb's record in Florida. He's been steadily amassing an antitax, bedrock conservative record over the past seven years. There's not much there that the party's base is going to hate. Indeed, before he lost in 1994, the scuttlebutt on Jeb was that he was "the conservative Bush."


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http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/11588
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:38 AM
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:41 AM
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2. You mean like the Nazis? They were invincible too, according to their
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 09:41 AM by norml
Propaganda
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:42 AM
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3. Like Bobby Kennedy would have run and won, eh?
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 09:48 AM by Ready4Change
Except there seems to be one key difference, hmmm, what could that be. Oh, yah...

One side doesn't mind committing murder.

But times are changing, ShortPost. We'll defeat Jeb the legitimate, and American, way. The next election turnout is going to be so lopsided fixed voting equipment won't be able to counter it.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:49 AM
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7. "ShortPost." (ooo, I heard that!)
Is there a :freak: among us?
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:52 AM
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9. The term leaps into my mind
Whenever I read such postings from someone with a hundred posts or so. Normally I bite my tongue, but this guy's pretty blatantly trolling.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:46 AM
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5. Welcome to DU. Are you a troll?
"Get over it" is a typical FREEKER comment.

I'm just saying.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:49 AM
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6. You think? Heheh
ShortPost is pretty transparent.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:50 AM
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8. Clearly...
;)

Let's let it stay for a while, so we can poke at it with sticks and pour dirt in its mouth....
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:54 AM
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10. I'm not getting near that mouth.
Who knows where it's been?
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:54 AM
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11. Let it go! How would you like if
someone took away your freedom and didn't care what you thought...oh. Let me see if I can find a stick.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:02 AM
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12. Get a pointy one.....
we'll see if it feels pain...
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:43 AM
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4. First of all....
this article seems to assume there was no election fraud; that DUH-bya actually won in a real sense.

To conveniently win in "what was once a reliably Democratic state" makes one wonder what sort of vote tampering may have been going on there years ago.

Before people talk about DUH-bya winning elections, they should know he has probably never really won one in his life.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:03 AM
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13. Schiavo .... Schiavo ..... Schiavo .... Schiavo
That was the ultimate intrusion by government into a personal, private family tragedy.

It's the only card any challenger needs to play to defeat him.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:30 PM
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26. Alan Keyes: JEB & GEORGE BUSH IS KILLING TERRI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alan Keyes
TERRI SCHIAVO: Jeb Bush is courting dereliction of duty
Tue Mar 29, 2005 21:05
64.140.158.57


JEB & GEORGE BUSH IS KILLING TERRI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeb Bush is courting
dereliction of duty

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Posted: March 29, 2005
11:44 a.m. Eastern

By Alan Keyes
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© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
The Florida state constitution declares unequivocally that in the state of Florida "the supreme executive power shall be vested in a governor . ." The word supreme means highest in authority. There can be no executive authority in the state of Florida higher than the governor. No state law can create an executive authority higher than highest in the Florida constitution. Therefore no court order based upon such a law can constitutionally create such an authority.

If the governor tells the local police in Pinellas County to step aside, they must do so, or else be arrested and tried for an assault on the government of the state, which is to say insurrection.


(If Gov. Jeb Bush fears that for some reason they would question the authority of his representatives, then he should take the necessary law enforcement officials to Tampa in person, thus making the situation crystal clear.)

Since Florida's highest law grants him supreme executive power, the governor's action would be lawful. No one in the Florida judiciary can say otherwise, since the whole basis for the doctrine of judicial review (which they invoked when they refused to apply "Terri's law") is that any law at variance with the constitution is no law at all.


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http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-30-05/discussion.cgi.47.html
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 02:05 PM
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32. Guess they can fight over who is king of the efungelical nutcases
But besides crazy Keyes and the fundies, the vast majority see Jeb as the mastermind of government intrusion into Schiavo...of course, Frist, Santorum, DeLay and W could also earn that title.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:04 AM
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14. Jeb has a Wife problem
They do not live together.

Watch for something to happen to her as your first clue Jeb is running.

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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:36 AM
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16. Insider Repug operatives in FL say he has been having an affair for years.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 05:30 PM
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22. Yes and more than one
it could turn out to be a Bimbo Eruption to coin a phrase.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:36 AM
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18. Doesn't he have a daughter problem, too?
Soundls like real messed-up family.

Not good for the right-wing whackjobs.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:02 PM
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21. The other day someone posted a thread about a supposed
"love child" (cue Diana Ross and the Supremes). Anyone heard anything else on that?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:13 AM
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15. IMO, If Jeb wants it, he can have it -- his is a Mafia family...
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 10:45 AM by DeepModem Mom
and he's not Fredo.
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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:18 AM
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17. You can't run if YOU'RE IN JAIL OR FACING THE DEATH PENALTY
Jeb is going to jail with the rest of the Mafia or FACING THE DEATH PENALTY. This whole bunch is going down.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:04 PM
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19. One word - DIEBOLD !
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:54 PM
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20. I don't think the country would accept another bush as president....
I would actually welcome Jeb bush as a candidate. The stench of 'royalty' surrounding the bush family would ignite recalcitrant D's to the polls in unheard of #'s.

Of course, if he DID win, and that is atronomically out of proportion w/anything this nation has seen before, it would most certainly be a stolen and highly controversial election that may well bring the nation to a Civil War.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:19 AM
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23. As term winds down, Bush's allies tout governor's legacy
As term winds down, Bush's allies tout governor's legacy


Aim is to fend off lame-duck perception

By Adam C. Smith
St. Petersburg Times
Posted August 22 2005


Seventeen months before he leaves office, Jeb Bush and some of his most loyal supporters are preparing a public-relations offensive to promote the governor's record on reforming Florida's education system.

Bush allies last month quietly incorporated the Foundation for Florida's Future, a nonprofit group that will concentrate on touting Bush's record on schools. It's a relaunch of a public policy foundation that preceded his 1998 gubernatorial campaign, but this time is organized to be a potentially potent political advocacy group.

"We're just getting this started," said Mandy Fletcher, a former Bush-Cheney presidential campaign staffer who is the part-time executive director of the new foundation. "It's an issue-advocacy organization to promote the policies and achievements that the state has seen under the leadership of Gov. Jeb Bush."

In a brief e-mail response to questions, Bush said the foundation will supplement his own bully pulpit efforts.

"This will only enhance our commitment to education and our effort to make sure every child in FL succeeds," he wrote.


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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-fjeb22aug22,0,2452785.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 06:34 AM
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24. If Jeb Bush wants the nomination, it's his.
The Bush family now controls the Republican Party so completely, so absolutely, that if Jeb Bush wants the nomination, it's his. Jeb Bush would appeal to the corporate and the fundamentalists that constitute the base of the party. Plus, Jeb Bush can certainly raise a lot of money...just because of his name.

Not only do I think it's a possibility, if he wants it, it's a certainty.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:06 PM
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27. "Not only do I think it's a possibility, if he wants it, it's a certainty"
That's my opinion too.

They think they can win anything with just the support of their base and their propaganda machine.

They are not part of the reality based community.
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ontobush Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 06:38 AM
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25. JEB and the PNAC
I think that he has a very good chance at becoming the Repub nominee, along with Cheney, although Cheney says he's not interested in running. Yeah, right.

Either one would be what the radical right would need to carry ON the PNAC agenda as both are members.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:16 PM
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28. jebby'll run
there will be some horrible terrorist attack in FL that he will avert w/ seconds 2 spare. Looks good on a resume.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:25 PM
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29. not only will he run, he will win
by the thinnest of diebolded margins.
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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:27 PM
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30. No independent would vote for chimpy's bro
After how horrible Shrub is doing now - polling at 36% approval
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:33 PM
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31. It's not who casts the votes but who counts them that gives us our leaders
The Repub's know that they have no shot of actually winning another (s)election. They will choose Jeb because they know he can win, his family controls the vote counters and the media and this will keep them in power. It's either Jeb or Frist but my money's on Jeb.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 04:13 PM
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33. Jeb has more hidden drug escapades then brother George!
could come into play
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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 04:17 PM
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34. he cannot possibly win...
even the fundies don't like him because he didn't send the national guard in to get Terri Schaivo
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