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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:50 AM
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PDA urges to keep writing Kerry asking him not to withdraw Ohio Lawsuits
UPDATE: 23 Aug 2005 21:01:12 -0000
Dear Friends,

Last week we sent an email asking you to contact Senator John Kerry urging him not to withdraw from the Ohio recount case pending in federal court in Ohio. Since then, many of you have taken action and have voiced your concern to Senator Kerry. Thank you. Your voices are critical in the ongoing struggle to protect the right to vote. Some friends have responded by asking for further information or have suggested that the fight in the Ohio recount case is no longer worthwhile. We write to address these concerns.

Is Senator Kerry planning to withdraw from the case?

While not yet confirmed by Senator Kerry, Congressman Conyers and others have received credible information that Senator Kerry is preparing to withdraw from the recount case. Today, Congressman Conyers posted the letter we referred to last week on his blog (click on the word "wrote" in his blog statement to access the original letter): http://www.conyersblog.us/

Next Tuesday, August 30, Senator Kerry's lawyer will need to appear before Federal Judge Carr in Toledo, along with the other lawyers in the recount case. We will know by that point whether Senator Kerry intends to stay in the case. We may know earlier if he seeks to withdraw by filing papers doing so. What we know today is that your pressure is having an impact and we must keep it going. Please continue to call/email/send letters to Senator Kerry urging him to remain in this case and to join the amended counterclaims. Here again is Senator Kerry's contact information: http://www.johnkerry.com/contact/

Is fighting the Ohio recount case still worthwhile?

The struggle for the right to vote includes the struggle to ensure that all votes are properly counted. A recount is the procedure for doing that. If election officials resist our right to a meaningful recount conducted in accordance with basic constitutional standards, they trample on our right to vote. Senator Kerry must not withdraw from the Ohio recount case.

What is at stake in the Ohio recount case is whether recounts in federal (presidential and congressional) elections will be conducted in accordance with basic equal protection and due process as guaranteed by the US Constitution or whether they will receive the same kind of sham recount received in Ohio in December. For a fuller understanding of all of the serious violations that occurred during the recount in Ohio last December, see the amended counterclaims filed by David Cobb and Michael Badnarik at: http://www.nvri.org/about/ohio_cobb_badnarik_counterclaims_123004.pdf. These amended counterclaims raise major constitutional concerns. David Cobb and Michael Badnarik are to be congratulated for continuing to press this fight for all of us. Senator Kerry should continue to stand by their side.

Thank you for all you are doing to ensure that recounts matter and that all votes are properly counted.

Keep on,

Tim Carpenter
Director, PDA
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:59 AM
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1. What the heck is the matter with him
He is my senator, he use to be great, you look back at him in the 60's, it makes me wonder what happens to people (politics)? trying conform to the system...

The system is shattered, totally broke
:shrug:

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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:28 PM
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5. This has not been confirmed.
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 02:30 PM by kerrygoddess
The PDA took Conyers of out context. In the most recent post on Conyers blog that they refer to, Conyers THANKS Kerry/Edwards for all they have been doing.

"That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio." - http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:42 PM
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6. No matter with him
Go to pda blog.

There is a letter explaining the issue a lot more honestly than Carpenter does.

In addition, may be we can wait and see. Conyers is talking about rumors, at least. Cobbs is staying silent. We will know next week, anyway.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 12:09 PM
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2. kick
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:03 PM
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3. All DU'ers who still care about Election Fraud need to keep those e-mails
going urging Kerry/Edwards not to back out of any of the Ohio Lawsuites.
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Leeny Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:20 PM
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4. Consider it done
I sent my letter to Kerry and have forwarded to my mom and others to do the same. Hope it works.

I heard something in Air America the other day about Jeb Bush in 2008 for President. Do I have to shoot myself now?

That was assuming, of course, that Diebold is still in control of the elections (if you can call them that) and that even if the popular vote went Dem because people are so F__KING DISGUSTED!@#!$%! with Bush - including lots of Reps who will probably cross over - it will be Jeb Bush.

I'm going to go bury my head in the sand for a while and find my happy place.

Just can't take it no more!!!!!!!!!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:46 PM
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7. And once again, da udder side
"Kerry conceded because he lost the popular vote, and with that, the ability to legitimately/politically ask for an immediate recount.

He never intended to NOT investigate the vote, particularly in Ohio. But I saw the email from his campaign manager in Ohio--the one that said there was no evidence of outright fraud AT THAT TIME.

No one sat around--there was a huge amount of investigation--and much has come to light over time.

I understand that, had they been able to get anyone to come forward with proof, they would have called for an investigation before the vote was certified in January.

I also understand that John Kerry has supported the investigation of all legitimate concerns about the 2004 elections. He knows what happened.

There were, apparently, three lawsuits in Ohio. The one that PDA is asking people to complain about is the first--the Badnarik-Green lawsuit. It is not a strong case. Lawyers have advised that this one is not winnable.

There are TWO MORE LAWSUITS and THEY are going forward. The second and third lawsuits are, according to my sources, based more on the civil rights issues and Kerry-Edwards are indeed part of these suits.

It is also my understanding that more evidence has come out, and perhaps, some testimonials from observers within the state, with evidence. Ohio is not over. And John Kerry has not stopped fighting.

He never has and he won't. He is a quiet warrior, but he is a warrior.

You can take that to the bank--and the other blogs. Thank you."
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 06:10 PM
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8. It's so Important that Kerry Edwards KEEP UP THE FIGHT...for Fair Election
Nothing is More Important...

If they don't support the "Greens" on this ...we have little hope for "Fair and Free" elections for the rest of us DU'ers Time On THIS EARTH!
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