Question: Who believes Bush won the election by election fraud?

[Imagevision]

I appreciate all input/opinion.

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[emulatorloo]

1. me - ohio florida nevada new mexico, popular vote padded in texas and ca

[howmad1]

64. I do!

But so what? Anybody see the democrats except John Conyers screaming bloody murder about 2000 and 2004? Anybody see the murkin sheeple screaming bloody murder about fraudulent elections? Anybody see ESSI and Diebold changing their business model? Anybody see paper trails in all 50 states? I sure don't have the answers but unless drastic, and I mean drastic changes are made by 2006 it's gonna be same old, same old.

[MrMickeysMom]

2. It was fraud IMO, so...

I don't think he won.

Overwhelming evidence of manipulation to decrease those showing up at the polls (in FL in 2000, and OH in 2004) is something very, very hard to evidence.

Having said that, I think it's fraud and he DID NOT WIN.

[Contrary1]

3. I do...

and I also believe that Smirk was unaware of it...as he is with most everything.

[jen4clark]

42. I do too

And agree with Contrary1 - jr didn't have a clue.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

4. The 2004 election I believe was stolen

by a combination of vote suppression, dirty tricks, and most of all manipulation of the vote totals courtesy of that infamous piece of software known as the Tabulator.

(Oh and let's not forget some pre election gerrymandering, ie in Texas when they did the first ever non post census redistricting, and then DeLay used Homeland security resources to try to hunt down the Dems in the Texas state legislature who left the state to avoid voting on that thoroughly crooked deal)

[Imagevision]

26. And mustn't forget Blackwell's contributions to securing the vote for Bush

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

31. Oh yes, thank you.

Yes, Blackwell's effort was extraordinary. One of these days he'll no doubt be rewarded for his crimes with a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[fooj]

5. I definitely do.

peace.

[deutsey]

6. I have very deep suspicions

The evidence we have is more than enough to raise serious doubts about the last election.

[babylonsister]

7. Moi. nt

[greenbriar]

8. umm yup

he didn't win

[Libby2]

9. I do eom

[Cocoa]

10. I don't

[Imagevision]

11. With the knowledge of just Ohio - what do you think will happen in 06?

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[buff2]

18. They will rig it again

No way will they let a Democrat be in power again. I have no faith in our so called voting system.The dirty tricks they have already pulled,no way would they take a chance on charges being brought against them. No way.

[MadeinOhio]

82. I believe or rather know the election was stolen.

And they will rig it again quickly as they can do it, or attempt to rig the election.

[intheflow]

12. Bush never won the election, period.

But he was granted the presidency through fraudulent election result and practices.

[aquart]

13. I do.

The Miracle of the Religious Bigots was the cover story for the stolen Democratic votes.

[buff2]

14. Without a doubt,that idiot DID NOT WIN

2000....The SCOTUS and voter fraud put him in.....2004....voter fraud nation wide. The first illegitimate pRESIDENT in US history,George (Fraud) Bu$h.

[rzemanfl]

15. He stole them both. n/t

[tritsofme]

16. I don't.

I think it is something that some people must tell themselves in order to avoid feeling their ideas and issues they feel passionately about were rejected by the voters.

[Imagevision]

19. I don't? - What is your knowledge of the Ohio recount?

[buff2]

21. Huh?

:wtf:

[snot]

17. If I had to bet, I'd bet it was stolen. nt

[PurityOfEssence]

20. No question about it

Look a comparatives between exit polling and official results where there were paper trails and then look places where there weren't. This specifically means Ohio, Florida and North Carolina.

Where there was verifiable voting, the numbers were generally within a point; where there weren't, the numbers varied by 4 or more points and ALWAYS favored Junior. Statistically that's simply impossible.

Cleland was screwed in Georgia in '02, and was done so blatantly that they had to disband the VNS, the consortium of the three major networks that was used to predict elections.

The greatest threat to the Republic is unverifiable voting, and anyone who wouldn't have it be transparent is a moral criminal.

[MissWaverly]

22. I saw the machine default to Bush 5 times in Baltimore City

yes, definitely stolen

[Eric J in MN]

39. In Maryland?

nt

[MissWaverly]

45. Yes, and my ward shows only 944 votes all day yet I

waited 2 hours to vote, and estimated that the line to vote was approx.
400-450 people at that time, there are no election 2004 results posted
on the Baltimore City Board of Elections website.

The link is here:

http://www.ci.baltimore.md.us/government/elections/index.html

[Eric J in MN]

51. So you had to keep choosing Kerry 5 times because

Bush kept showing up on the confirmation screen?

[MissWaverly]

52. Yes, that's right

[Eric J in MN]

53. You should contact TrueVote MD if you haven't already.

http://truevotemd.org/content/view/95/57/

[MissWaverly]

54. Yes, I did

well the result was that the State Assembly which is run by Dems, was presented a comprehensive report, which they areed with but they rejected the recommendations of the vote reform activists saying they would come up with a BETTER plan, we are waiting and waiting and waiting, looks like a dead issue.

[Eric J in MN]

69. If you write an article about your personal experience and

where things are at with the Maryland legislature, I'll post it to my blog "Move Left" and ask other websites to link to it.

[MissWaverly]

99. I am no writer but I will work on something this week

Thanks, Miss Waverly

[coffeenap]

47. A friend in Cinci received 4 false results before getting what she

THINKS is the right result, that is, a vote for Kerry.

[MissWaverly]

49. I can tell, that she did not

here's why

Kerry won in Maryland = 1,334,493
GWB = 1,024,703

But there were 1,340,778 registered Democratic voters, who voted
and there were only 733,643 registered Republican who voted
where did George's million votes come from?

The Independents, the Greens, the Libs, the Constitution party and Populists?????

Now for GWB to have the numbers he did he would have had to get
every (100%) vote of all the above plus 703,333 out of the 733,643
republicans voting, (which would be 96%). Do you REALLY believe that
every single Green, Populist, Libertarian and member of the Constitution
party voted for Bush??????

I didn't think so.

[magnetism]

101. Yes he stole the election

but I believe that it happened in Ohio and I have a question to your numbers. If Kerry got 1,334,493 out of 1,340,778 registered Democratic votes, that's 99.5%.

It would be possible for * to get the 96% of the registered Repukes, but I don't he would have gotten anywhere close to 100% of the remainder.

Interesting scenario. Thanks for posting the data.

[MissWaverly]

109. thank you

It's nice to have people agree with me, you don't know how many times
I posted this to be flamed, like you must have done something wrong, that happened because you were too stupid to vote correctly, etc. Hopefully the truth will out.

[magnetism]

133. You are welcome

Have a nice day!

:party:

[warrior1]

23. yup

all long with some carefully placed house and senate seats.

[Prodemsouth]

24. Ofcourse he did, Bush could have never gotten away with this in

past American decades. America was "too smart" that is much smarter when compared to today. In the 60s and 70s he would at the very least be in jail if not tired for treason and sentenced to death for trying to even pull a stunt like this. In the 80s and early 90s he would have at least been impeached. This country is just too dumb now.

[DELUSIONAL]

25. Me

[gracie76]

27. I agree, the 2004 election AND the 2000 election were fraudulent victories

There is NO question about the 2000 election. When all the votes were finally counted, Gore won the Florida delegation. However, since the Supreme Court had stopped the official counting in Florida, and handed the election to George W. Bush, and the Democrats folded up like limp biskits (is that a group??), we have had W as our pResident for the past (almost) 5 years. As for Ohio in 2004; it wasn't hanging chads or Diebolds that did the trick. It appears that it was a major operation to disenfranchise the likely Democratic voters, by hook or by crook....as well as a little manipulation of the TRIAD vote counting machines. There was treachery here, too. I surely hope we will get a full investigation of this....and that we never trust any election results that we cannot see, ballot by ballot and count ballot by ballot. Back to the good old days, paper and pencil, and required recounts --once at the precinct level and again, under the eyes of Dems and Reps and Neutrals at the Registrar of Voters offices or wherever the final tabulation is done...and NO DIEBOLD OR ANY OTHER LOVELY PROGRAMMABLE VOTE-STEALING EQUIPMENT.

[Prodemsouth]

37. Excellent first post - Welcome to DU gracie 76!!!

:toast:

[ClassWarrior]

28. I believe.

Both of 'em.

NGU. :patriot:

[applegrove]

29. There definitely were various forms of vote suppression. As to

proof of diebold machines clocking the wrong numbers..I have not seen any valid evidence of that. But too few machines and all the other games..yes..for sure.

Games in politics are as old as the hills. But the GOP has turned it into a science.

[Melodybe]

30. me, they padded the votes in called states like California and Texas

and stole New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio, Florida.

80% of our votes are counted by 2 companies, owned by 2 brothers who are right wing fundie christians that gave tons to Bushco, what do you think?

[bobbieinok]

32. I think vote was padded for W in red states and blue

to cut Kerry's lead in blue states and add to W's totals in red

the OK senate race looks very suspicious......dem leading until vote in ......a turn around.......if pad W, then also switch votes to rep senate candidate

republicans LEARN.....democrats??????.......reps learned from FL2000 don't let vote be close and be sure pop vote is + for reps

[calimary]

33. Here! Me!

These people are just plain crooked. We have loads of evidence, both times. The 2000 election CLEARLY was stolen. And despite the vote count to the contrary in 2004, there was so much corruption and cheating and theft and manipulation and fraud that - frankly, who's to say it DIDN'T make a few million votes' difference? It just REEKS of fishy smell, both times. REEKS of it.

[meganmonkey]

34. I believe that if the will of the voters had truly been measured

accurately, Kerry kicked Bush's ass.

Never Give Up.

[windbreeze]

35. ME n/t

[wli]

36. moi, both 2000 and 2004. It happened in 2002, too. n/t

[Eric J in MN]

38. I do. More people who voted for Bush in 2000 decided to vote

for Kerry than people who voted for Gore in 2000 decided to vote for Bush in 2004.

Also, there was no good explanation why the Exit Polls were supposedly wrong. And the way the Ohio recount was done was a travesty with the voting machine companies providing cheat sheets.

[PurgedVoter]

40. I was purged from the voter lists, twice.

Theft of election is treason. It is the overthrow of legitimate government. To allow an easily rigged election system is to allow ones voice to be silenced.

[Eric J in MN]

41. In both 2000 and 2004, a precinct in Texas said you're not registered

and can't vote?

Did you cast a provisional ballot in 2004?

[PurgedVoter]

90. Yes I did.

In 2000 I found out, and voted provisionally. I got it fixed, but then before 2004 I went in to check and I was again off the list. I got it fixed after being rather rude and funny. So in 2004 I was able to vote.

[Eric J in MN]

111. Do you mean you were able to check before Election Day in 2004? nt

nt

[PurgedVoter]

116. Yes, I went into the Brazos County Voters Registration Office!

I took my collection of registration cards. While I was there I heard three different excuses as to why I had been purged.
1. I moved (Not true, I had my current address on a previous card.)
2. They had transfered me to another precinct. Also not true, I was no longer registered anywhere.
3. They must have had a glitch in the computer.
Why I would believe the third after they had tried to pull the first two off, I couldn't say. I never had this problem when I voted Republican in the primaries.

[Imagevision]

55. Ohio recount done was a travesty - providing cheat sheets!

I couldn't comprehend the fact this was happening with no mention from the media until you put 2 and 2 together...! While Bush pushes for our brand of ...democracy?!?!?

[mithnanthy]

43. Yes, both of them!

And if we don't get paper ballots and hand counts..it will continue. Why aren't our Senators and representatives dealing with this issue everyday?

[Twist_U_Up]

44. Here check this out

an excellent presentation for anyone that doubts that bushitler didn`t manipulate elections at state and federal levels

http://www.electionfraud2004.org/presentation/index.html

[Panda1]

68. Thanks

Nicely put together. A keeper. :)

[YvonneCa]

46. I do, and I didn't want to...

...believe it. There is always suppression (and that's WRONG, in itself). But the people who presented statistical proof are the ones who convinced me...most had PhD's in statistics. :patriot:

[mandomom]

48. me

[leanin_green]

50. Clearly fraud. Saw it happen right on CNN.

The infamous computer glitch. The fraud was in the tallying.

[Vektor]

56. Without a doubt. n/t

[NVMojo]

57. me. i believe repuke operatives had a good handle on every way

to do it, too.

[cyn2]

58. I do....

they blocked voters from getting to the polls (see FL and OH), and they padded the votes for B* using electronic data.

[AX10]

59. I suspect so.

[melwoods]

60. I don't believe- I KNOW those thugs stole it

Last summer, my then 74 year old mom said to me " You know ,Mel, they're going to steal it again". I replied -" Oh, they'll try, but they can't steal it everywhere,-besides, This time, EVERYONE will be watching". What a poor ,naive, deluded sap I was.:banghead:

[Robeson]

61. Me.

[IdaBriggs]

62. Me. nt

[BlueIris]

63. Piles of fraud. Conyers proved it happened in Ohio, but

it also happened in North Carolina, (worst, most fraudulent election in this nation in 2004) Florida, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Arizona and...I bet you can't find a state that wasn't touched by the fraud effort, even my beloved Oregon (though I would also bet the first-born child I'm never going to have that Oregon had the fewest number of fraud complaints of any state).

If the exit polls were correct, Kerry won by 8 to 10 million votes. That's million, people. It equals 329 electoral votes for him. That's a landslide if I've ever heard of one.

[Chemical Bill]

65. Me n/t

[bemildred]

66. Me. nt

[Emit]

67. I do, too! n/t

[candice]

70. As Conyers said, "Doesn't pass the smell test."

What WAS Rove doing with all those computers in the White House. I read recently that he was in contact with every precinct, which is why he knew that the fundies came out in droves and turned the election around at the last minute. Did he have a direct line to the tabulator in Ken Blackwell's office. Was he calling in the terrorist threat?

Had the recount been on the level, I would have attributed the "man-date" to voter obstruction and minor dirty tricks, not voting machine fraud.

[acmavm]

71. Not a doubt in my mind. Ohio and Florida. Maybe a couple others.

Absofrigginlutely.

[mitchum]

72. Yes

[AzDar]

73. I do. BOTH elections...and maybe even the Gubernatorial race

against Ann Richards.

[tamtam]

74. Yes I think the GOP stole this election

This country has been using exit polls for how many years? All of a sudden in this last election exit polls just weren't reliable. They stole both elections and the corporate media turned a blind eye to it. This asshole will go down as the worst president of our time and that is because he is incompetent. He cannot get ahead without cheating because he is a spoiled, rich, asshole. Yea he stole both election what is so funny is the jerk didn't even know the last election was in the fix for him. Did you see the way he was sweating the night of the election. Georgie boy cannot act that was all real. He thought for sure that he was going to lose because he knew like the rest of America that he was suppose to lose.

[Imagevision]

104. Also the Ohio recount travesty courtesy of Mr. Blackwell

[mikelewis]

75. Beyond a shadow of a doubt....

It was no accident that there were 10 hour waits. It was no accident that many who showed up to vote for thier first time were denied by technical issues such as paper weight or precinct snafu's. It was no accident computer errors seemed to favor Bush 9:1 in the battleground states. It was no accident that Warren County, OH was shut down due to a phony security threat. Bush's reelection was no accident. It was a boon-doggle.

[samsingh]

76. i believe bush stole both elections

[blue4barb]

77. Yes, without a doubt. The vote padding, the fraud-- both in the election

and in the Ohio recount. I remember reading that on election night Karen Hughes had just told bush** that he lost, then Rove stepped in to say something about bush** not losing. Yes, they appeared to have kept the shrub in the dark-- probably out of fear that he'd spill the beans someday.

2006? 2008? I just don't know if the dems can win by a large enough margin to overcome the fraud. Keeping the pressure on, watching shrub's drop in the polls are all good signs.

[Digit]

78. Both elections eom

[wiley]

79. Both elections

and thousands of other races by preventing people from voting, intimidating whole groups of people from voting, and machine manipulation. Until there are Democrats on every Board in every small and large town making noise about cast votes being counted for whom they were cast, it won't matter anyway.

[seabeyond]

80. 2000 and bigger 2004. i think election fraud n/t

[laylah]

81. Absolutely did! n/t

[MadeinOhio]

83. They for sure, under all accounts, did steal the election.

And after 2000/2002/2004 will absolutely steal it again in 2006 wherever they can. Either by rigging it, or desperately trying to rig it wherever they possibly can.

Yes they will either outright steal it, or attempt to steal it.

[Mad_Dem_X]

84. I do, I do! BOTH elections!

That's the only way he can win anything, is by cheating.

[madokie]

85. Without a doubt. n/t

[mtnsnake]

86. Maybe, but I think Kerry simply lost it with a pathetic campaign

That we lost due to voter fraud is pretty much speculation. I'd love for it to be proven, but after all this time, no one's been able to do just that, and you'd think by now something concrete would've surfaced.

That Kerry's campaign was pathetic, well that's a fact.

IMO, we lost to the worst president ever because 1) we had a weak field of candidates to pick from 2) it's hard to knock a war-time president out of office, even a crooked fuck like Bush and 3) most importantly, Kerry's campaign was about the worst campaign imaginable. They simply didn't go after Bush. They didn't even defend themselves. Kerry's image and decision makers were brutally incompetent. Their message was never clear. Just terrible.

If Kerry's campaign strategists had a brain in their fucking heads, the margin would've been so huge during the campaign that voter fraud could not have played into it, if it did really exist. At no time during the heart of the campaign was Kerry leading Bush by any significant margin. In fact, he was usually behind if I remember correctly, except for way before the real campaign had begun, when ANYONE would've been way out ahead of Bush. Shameful campaign.

[MadeinOhio]

87. Good points. I encourage you to read this....

http://www.votersunite.org

There is ample proof of vote fraud in multiple states and it definitely existed, reported incidents and so on confirming what happened. However, it always remains possible that Kerry could have overcome fraud easily by running a better campaign.

If he had done certain things early on, the landslide would have been so big no fraud would have affected it even widespread fraud. Because he would have gotten all of the left and moderates to vote for him, by being completely against the Iraq war and being a boiler plate for waging only wars when there is no other choice. He failed on that, and became too DLC perhaps but the fact is also that any amount of campaigning will not overcome fraud.

One needs the full trust and confidence of people in order to overcome anything such as election fraud, when done on unverifiable machines.

[0007]

88. No doubt about it!

I wish you had put up a voting poll.

[CitrusLib]

89. I have every reason to believe my Florida vote was not counted or changed.

[mtnsnake]

91. Would you mind sharing a few of those reasons?

Thanks in advance.

[CitrusLib]

95. The numbers in my county just didn't add up statistically.

What they reported in exit polling versus the final counts were just impossible. We also used Diebold optical scanning machines which have been called into question all over the place.

On a personal level, I know 6 people (all Republicans) in my neighborhood who SWORE they voted for Mel Martinez for Senate, but couldn't find it in them to vote for either Presidential candidate.

The county reported there was one and only one ballot cast in the entire county that didn't vote for the President. I find that REALLY weird.

I simply don't have faith that votes in my county weren't tampered with and that would include the potential for my own to be screwed with.

[rhett o rick]

92. Spilt milk. We need to make sure it doesn't happen in future. nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

93. i have my hand up

[MsUSA]

94. Ditto, my hand is up, and in both 2000 and 2004.

[manly]

96. votes stolen

I believe so too.Bastards. What's to prevent them from doing it again? With Jeb?

[peekaloo]

97. *raises hand* nt

[peacetalksforall]

98. Absolutely - this was another carefully planned and executed act.

From telling people the wrong day and setting up road blocks-detours to 'miscalculating' the volume of voters while machines sat in a warehouse to tricks played with absentee ballots - TO - Republican made machines, software that were never vetted, and their foreign and domestic technicians - to Republican news networks paying for exit polling, thus owning the data to manipulate for the administration - to the way they call the votes affecting turnout - to crooked election officials.

They know that their rock solid core is only about 27 to 37 percent of the people, they have no conscious or principles, they have an agenda to ruin this country and control the earth by controlling the earth resources - so what do you expect?

They have high plans and high hopes and not enough money and votes to pull it off - so they steal, lie, and kill and change the reality to suck up gullible citizens and partners.

You don't have to go to a theatre for science fiction, horror, thrillers, or to watch people lie and destroy - just observe our hard core leaders.

We are one sick country with the leaders we have and the naivete that we grew up with. We've been had by vote. We've been drawn in and continue to do so.

An entire industry (tv) pumps those lies into us 24 hours a day - about how great Bush Rice Cheney Rumsfeld Bolton Roberts Scalia and Robertson are. They are god-heroes. But, it's the same old Nixon Reagan Bush Bush Water and Iran GATORS still trying to rule the world.

The election theft was a piece of cake for them.

[ChiciB1]

100. I Most Certainly Do!

I live in Florida!!!

[genius]

102. Bush lost. I'm still mad that Kerry conceded.

[Wizard777]

103. He sure did. No secrecy of the vote. Thanks to Diebold.

Who needs exit polls when you have prevoting polls?

"I'm trying to vote for Kerry. But the compiter keeps selecting Bush."


Hello Diebold Central, Somebody just tried to vote for Kerry. Throw in two more votes for Bush. Uh huh.......

[TumorSupressor]

105. Odds are...

16 million : 1 that all the errors occured in Chimpy's favor and all the exit polling data was off. Diffinately fraud.

[butterfly77]

106. The election

They cheated and if they can they will again in 2006.

[sepia_steel]

107. That would be me. eom

[thereismore]

108. you're kidding right? nt

[MADem]

110. Better question might be who does NOT think he stole the thing?

Of course then the thread would sink like a stone!!

[thereismore]

114. Yeah. * is such a gigantic anomaly. 1239 days left in office ...

that is, barring impeachment/conviction or resignation.

[MADem]

127. Agh, a CHANT just came into my head

1239 days left? On day 1234, the chant should be

1 2 3 4
Muthafucka, out the door!

Actually, to paraphrase ole rummy, sooner would be better than later!

[MojoXN]

112. I do...

Statistically speaking, it's virtually impossible for exit polling to be so far off the mark, and for nearly every error to be in Bush's favor.

Occam's Razor: Whenever you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be true.

MojoXN

[scarletlib]

113. yes

[Raster]

115. no doubt about it. various methods employed. he didn't win 2000 either.

[The Gunslinger]

117. Fraud all the way

Exit polls have been very accurate in every other election they were used.

[lucca]

118. Yes! (n/t)

[roseBudd]

119. I do, here's the proof BushCheated04.com...

the web site

http://bushcheated04.com

the song

http://bushcheated04.com/loser.html

the proof

http://bushcheated04.com/links.html

write it on Post It notes and stick

BushCheated04.com

[Time for change]

123. I do

He won the national exit poll by 3.0% and he won the Ohio exit poll by 4.2%.

Ohio of course would have given him the election.

Here's a summary I wrote of the fraud in Ohio, in a letter to Howard Dean, complaining about the DNC report on the Ohio election, which was a whitewash:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=380878&mesg_id=380878


And here's more, based on the apparent manipulation of registration data by Blackwell's office:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1974460


And here's something on electronic vote switching in swing states:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2020121&mesg_id=2020121

[FogerRox]

120. KeRRy won 55% to 44%

[leftofthedial]

121. yup

2000 was a coup

2004 was a joke

[Gyre]

122. I didn't think it was a question anymore.

At least not with DU
Gyre

[Dr Fate]

124. I've not seen an open, public investigation of it, so I dont know.

n/t

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

125. '00 and '04 both stolen...

...no doubt. This question needs to be put to the American public by national pollsters. I wonder if we could have any influence in pressuring them to. Most of you've probably read this. If not, it's worth reading.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/crisis/05/008_ep.html

[EndElectoral]

126. Appointed 2000 ...Stolen 2004...the man has never truly won

[dajoki]

128. I DO!!...

no question in my mind.

[sunnystarr]

129. Unquestionably true.

The evidence collected is overwhelming and would meet courtroom standards.

[Name removed]

130. Deleted message

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[obreaslan]

131. Me Too, Both of them!

:grr:

[RebelOne]

132. I have my doubts about it being fraud.

It was just a lot of stupid people who voted for the idiot. My sister and her husband are an example. She said they voted for Bush because they are Republicans. And my dumb son-in-law who voted for Bush because he had "a gut feeling."

[Imagevision]

134. Video from Curtis' Sworn Testimony! of him designing software for Feeney

FULL CLINT CURTIS TESTIMONY: The story of computer programmer Clint Curtis' sworn affidavit charging that he had built a "vote-rigging software prototype" at the request of Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)!ON VIDEO:
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001049.htm

The video clearly speaks for itself yet never gained the attention of corporate media, when one views the video there is no question of cover-up assisted by the media.

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[eauclaireliberal]

135. Yes...both '00 and '04

You can thank this nation's top industrialists for this. The Reagan, Bush, and Bush regimes were planned over a cocktail party in Texas somewhere as far back as the late 1960's.

Oil, 'Defense' contractors, pharmaceuticals, Heroin and cocaine smugglers, you name it.

[tom_paine]

136. Almost 100% certainty

I think they learned their lesson in 2000, steal and suppress millions more votes than you need, lest it be close enough that your methodologies get exposed on TV (it really doesn't matter if they get exposed down the road, just not where millions could hear about them).

And electronic "voting" machines are, in fact, the PERFECT vehicle to perform such thefts, especially when they are uninspectable by Law Enforcement or any other representative of the Imperial Subjects of Amerika.

[Mr Rabble]

137. I do. So do most of the researchers that have looked into it.

[JerseygirlCT]

138. Me. Both of them. nt

[LeftyElvis]

139. He

stole it, no doubt.