Would the USA really allow a democratic Iraq? Really? Think

[texpatriot2004]

about it. I just watched part of this program on FSTV (Noam Chomsky: Intellectual Self-Defense) and he brought up this idea that made me think about this war in Iraq in a new way. Just like, for the longest time, I have had this idea of my own...can the US military really NOT find Osama Bin Laden? For real? I mean, think about it, the entire US military - as well trained, and well funded as they are - they can't find him? I just can't believe that. I can however believe that they are either a) prohibited from finding him, due to the Bush - Saudi ties; or b) are being kept from finding him by purposeful distractions. Anyway, back to the program I was watching. So Noam Chomsky puts forth this idea about what is probable and even likely if Iraq was a "free and democratic" society. He goes into some characteristics that I cannot recall in detail but it was enough to make me say, "hmm, he's got a point, and a very good one." Basically, the gist of it was that a "free and democratic Iraq would not be an ally of the US but would probably seek to ally with Iran because the Shiites would be in the majority and they would have things in common with Iran, these countries would be looking for the same things. This would put the resources of the country, (ie the oil) in the hands of those who were not friendly with the US. Noam Chomsky, of course, said it much better than I can here; still, think about it? Why would the US (and this administration in particular) allow a "free and democratic Iraq?" Just curious what you think?

[wake.up.america]

1. To Bush they are democratic, if they do what he wants.

[Ken Burch]

2. Since it goes without saying that a truly democratic Iraq would be

pro-Palestinian, the answer is, of course, no.

[OneBlueSky]

3. we don't even allow a democratic USA . . .

so why would we allow a democratic Iraq? . . .

[texpatriot2004]

5. Very good point you have there...agreed. n/t

[Eloriel]

4. Well, the U.S. has been actively PREVENTING self-governance

by various states for a long, long time. Especially if they're socialist or communist (all fascists hate communism).

So, you're on the right track. :D

[texpatriot2004]

6. Thanks for the kudos Eloriel. It's nice to see you. It's been a long

time since I've seen your name...probably just missing each other. I remember you with great fondness from DU before Nov. 2004. It's a pleasure to see your posts again as I always liked what you had to share. And, of course, you are right about the US.

[kenny blankenship]

13. And true to form, the US has been trying to delay the acquisition of power

of the SCIRI/DAWA pro-Iranian Shia coalition. If we had heeded their wishes (and they represent a 60% majority of the country), we'd have left long ago. No doubt what is happening in Iraq is not the way Bush and Cheney were led to believe it would go down; however now that things are turning out in virtually mirror opposition to our interests, they are still hoping to salvage a controlling position by being indispensible to the Shia dominated government in holding down a secession/civil war of the Sunni triangle, and preventing it from tearing the country apart. Still, it is the position of the Shia parties that we should pack our bags and get the hell out. Sooner or later they will begin to impress that requirement on us in a manner that we won't be able to ignore. Probably after the Oct. referendum on the Constitution, which will either see the Shia ramming the odious document through, over disorganized Sunni opposition (and thus allowing them to turn their full attention to us) or if the Constitutional referendum fails, they will declare it in effect ANYWAY and focus on expelling us on the grounds that we are meddling in their dealings with an internal minority in their country.

[marysdance]

7. a democratic Iraq...

It seems to me that there are many who are consistently trying to prevent a democratic USA.

[Old and In the Way]

8. We basically wrote their constitution.......

do they have control of their oil? Some 'democracy'.

[peacetalksforall]

9. No way does the regime want democracy in Iraq. They don't even

want it here. They wnat submissive, obedient, silent, and undeducated people to pay the way for Halliburton - by paying taxes in this country or by giving up the oil in Iraq.

Democracy is their number one hypocritical trick.

They want puppets whose strings they can pull just as pull Bush's for all his Great Performances.

[texpatriot2004]

10. Yeah, you're right. n/t

[Jade Fox]

11. Of course not. Bushco wants a country it can control....

Look how the act towards a REAL democracy: Venezuala

[Nederland]

12. Eric Rudolph

..evaded authorities for over five years, and he was isolated to an area not only much smaller that Osama is but actually inside our own country. So I would say, yes, it is possible that the US military can't find Osama.

[Debs]

14. Was Eric

6'7" and on dialysis?

[Nederland]

17. No

...but that hardly makes up for the fact that he was in North Carolina versus Pakistan.

[Debs]

21. Seems to me

There are probably less places to get dialysis in Pakistan than there are places to hide in North Carolina.

[Debs]

15. No Way

A truly democratic Iraq would kick our asses out of the country and no way are we going to lose those military bases.

[texpatriot2004]

16. or the oil. n/t

[SonofMass]

18. They would allow a republican Iraq.

[jbane]

19. They elect a govt. that puts an Islamic republic in place and...

tells Halibuton, etc. to go to hell and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
No way this administration could let Iraq have a free election.

[many a good man]

20. Secret Right Wing Alliance between US and Iran

BushCo (USA) and the mullahs go back a long way. US antagonism is the only thing stimulates Iranian voters to keep supporting the Revolution. Tension in the ME keeps conservatives in power here at home, too. Its win-win for both sides.

Only hitch: Kurds can't eliminate Iraqi Sunnis and expand their territory. And give us a few bases. That way tensions remain high and the right wing can rule indefinitely in each country.

Oh, and no nukes. Just the constant threat of acquiring them. Only WE get to keep nukes, to enforce the arrangement.

In World Politics things are often the reverse of what they seem.

[texpatriot2004]

22. This is so interesting to me. After 9-11many Americans seemed

to buy into this idea that we are at war in Iraq so that they can be free and have a democratic society. This idea, of course, sold by George W. Bush and friends. Well, at first there was the premise that it was about 9-11 and WMD's and Saddam's being an evil dictator but then Georgie's rhetoric became more and more about "democracy" in Iraq. Now, I am thinking, what were we thinking to buy this crap? Why on Earth would our government allow that? Even more important, why would this particular administration allow that? They wouldn't; not for a minute. Unless it's their own democracy controlled by them (ie the USA). It's so obvious, yet for four years we as a country seemed to buy this crap. What are we thinking? Or, more accurately, why aren't we thinking?

[1932]

23. Could they nationalize their oil if they wanted to? No. Not a Democracy.

Listen to the mp3:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2632

[Ciggies and coffee]

24. "free and democratic" for corporate interests (nt)