I hate these freeper repukes. They think New Orleans , Ms and,

[saracat]

Alabama brought the hurricane on themselves. They do not think Bush or the Federal Govt has ANY responsibility to these states! I have been arguing with them on another site and they make me ill. I want them removed from the planet. They are evil.They call FEMA a "handout from Uncle Sugar"! And think that it wouldn't have mattered if the levees were properly shored up and an effort didn't have to have been made.One even said Clinton's Disaster Mitigation Fund would have probably made things worse so it was(implied) a good thing it was cut! I truly give up. I posted articles and links. They won't read! They accuse me of saying Bush causes hurricanes! They are sick! They also say that the people of NO ought not to have moved there if they didn't want to get wiped out! I want these people to just evaporate into a pile of ash! Spontaneous combustion. I hate them, I do.And these are the folks we are supposed to extend a hand to and try to understand them, though they differ with us. NEVER.

[lvx35]

1. Understand em, don't lend a hand.

The fact is these guys are driven by fear. Whenever something bad happens, they can't handle it, so they justify it by saying such and such deserved it. Its the same thing with the torture victims, etc, etc.

[MichaelHarris]

2. To be honest

they are driven by bigotry, it really is that simple. You strip away a conservative's layers and you'll find bigotry every time.

[bliss_eternal]

7. Such a profound statement,and astute observation.

The sad thing is they don't even see this aspect of themselves...they will defend it to it's death as truth or the way things are--not as intolerance or bigotry. Not ever...

[MichaelHarris]

10. I've

had a number of friends turn to force of the fundie. When you get them into a real discussion you always end up in the same place;

They want to home school = I want my kids away from minorities
Home school = Segregation from non-Christians
No Taxes = I don't want my money going to minorities
Moving to North Idaho like Mark Furman = White guy afraid to live in LA

The list could go on and on.

[bliss_eternal]

24. I'm very sorry that you lost friends to the fundies--

Dh and I realized quite a while ago,the people he grew up with had similiar issues. We no longer communicate with or associate with these people.

They want * in office=I don't want my mind corrupted with their bs.
They hated Clinton=I don't want to associate with close minded idiots.

They don't want gays to marry=I don't associate with homophobes.

I could go on and on...
:P
:hi:

[MichaelHarris]

26. I walked

away from my best friend of 20 years because of it. He became so full of hatred that I watch the news to see if he's associated with the only real terrorist cell in America, God's Army.

[bliss_eternal]

35. That couldn't have been easy--i'm so sorry.

The end of a relationship of that many years--such a shame. But I understand why you walked away. I think in the same situation I would have done just as you did.

:hug:

[Usrename]

13. We all are. There's a good body of evidence from the 50s and 60s

that concludes we (people) are wired for xenophobia in a manner similar to the way we are wired for language. I read this stuff when I was a kid (my mother was a mental health student) and we would talk about these things. How and why the studies were done. The serious work was done in an attempt to understand the holocaust. This was an important area of invesigation following the event. Most of the research was goverment funded. I can not cite any references (I was a kid at the time) but I have no doubt in my mind that Karl Rove is up to speed on this. The Iraq invasion wouldn't have been possible without being able to manipulate a very deeply seated xenophobic response from people. If we went into N Korea as a response to 9/11 people would have noticed the difference between those that perpetrated the attacks and the ones we were fighting. No matter how they tried to demonize the N Koreans the connection just wouldn't be there.

<edit> When I say we all are, I should say something different. I think there are some people who are bigots because they ignore their own internal wiring. I've heard people at DU complain that they have no empathy. Others become color blind by recognizing their internal wiring and compensating for it. I wonder if this is where the word compassion comes from? In any case I think empathy is need.

Let me know if you think this is a crock because it very well might be.

[MichaelHarris]

23. Every enemy

America has ever had was demonized by the government before we went to war to gain American support. There are probably examples of this everywhere, it makes me wonder if it's mentioned in that "Art of War" book?

[Usrename]

30. never read it myself, but I bet KKKarl Rove has.

Check out my posts further down the thread, especially #18. If this sound like your friends, then possibly much of the friction is unintentional.

Small consolation:(

[bliss_eternal]

25. No not at all--

a crock I mean. I think what you stated was quite valid, and very interesting.

I think it's like Chris Rock has said in his comedy routine, that everyone hates someone. I think everyone in some way or another has a tendency toward hating some other group if for no other reason that it helps them feel a bit better about themselves...in some weird way.

But that's the easy way...it's harder to take the time to see people as people and to not stereotype them, and to understand what makes people the way they are...

Hope I am making some sense, feel like I'm babbling. Just saw shrub on tv, and still a bit discombobulated from that (sigh)

:hi:

Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

[Usrename]

28. not at all ..

babbling I mean. It's our monkey hindbrain that causes it. Enlightened liberals seem to me to be the only large group of people that have some kind of internal rev limiter.

discombobulated is right..couldn't get on the server..-wow- saw it too

[bliss_eternal]

36. Pretty crazy, huh?

:shrug:

I'm watching CNN, I just feel so terrible for everyone there...

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

32. We are certainly hard-wired to be tribal, that's true, but

most of us (and that includes some decent Republicans as well) manage to find empathy for members of the "other tribe" (other people, other animals, plants, whatever-- whatever "isn't us") and care for and lend them assistance. That's one of the bases for an ethical system, one of the most important things that makes us what we are-- this capacity to emerge from a seemingly Hobbesian, amoral world and yet to grasp (and forge) a moral system in its midst.

Those Freepers and LGFers who show no empathy and trash the Louisianans and Missippippiers as folks who "deserve it" are pathetic. fear-ridden little turds who are too afraid too acknowledge their own kinship to the people who are suffering, so they turn against them. Losers, all of them.

[zanne]

22. They're in a panic, so they're being disingenuous.

They don't have the same confidence they once had because Bush is doing so badly and the polls are proof. They're scared, so they're coming up with counter-arguments that are very defensive and disingenuous. I listened to a RW'er this morning on C-Span say that the polls are all tilted to the Democrats, but the "Liberal Media" refuses to reveal the truth. Now, that's nothing but desperation. Way down deep, this freeper knows the truth, but is denying it to HIMSELF. How many stages of mourning are there? I forget, but I know that the first one is DENIAL.

[SoCalifer]

3. Disgusting.....Absolutely disgusting.

I knew this would happen. I knew that freepers not effected by hurricane damage would argue something disgusting like this -- and that freepers who were effected by hurricane would suddenly forget their disgusting ideas and understand At least that is until they are back on their feet. Then they'll probably start pointing their fingers at the needy in this country again.

They truly make me sick..



.

[ThoughtCriminal]

4. Let them sink themselves

And take Fearless Leader down with them. This kind of public display helps turn red states blue.

[bliss_eternal]

11. Ah, I said something similliar to this in another thread...

:hi:

We have to keep in mind, some of the people in 'those areas' voted for shrub. What exactly is this showing the people that supported him, had faith in him?

There's got to be people on those horrible, hate filled boards that either know someone that has been affected by this tragedy, or they themselves have been. When they survive this insanity and return to those boards. How do you think they will feel seeing this sort of crap on their return? That they are somehow expendable based on where they live or who their neighbors are?

The tides are going to turn, and these freaks are going to wonder come election time, what the hell happened to their support base.

:crazy:

[aquart]

5. And yet they are aching for the people in those places.

They saw Mr. Hardy talk about losing his wife in the surge and they cried like we did.

We have different ideas. Theirs are tragically wrong. But don't gook them. They ARE human. They even have hearts. That's what makes it so damned infuriating.

[Carla in Ca]

27. They ARE human. They even have hearts. That's what makes it so damned infu

Really?

I linked to this from Buzzflash (and sorry I did).

"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "From ‘Girls Gone Wild’ to ‘Southern Decadence’, New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same," he continued.
.........................


There is a thread on GD about a freeper booted off FR because he linked to a donation page. Dailykos has a side-by-side picture of the GOP and Dem home pages. GOP, NOTHING about Katrina. Dem, ALL Katrina.

[LunaSea]

6. It's easy to be smug

when it does not effect you directly. Everyone gets hit by something eventually. And they'll be first in line for a hand when it comes.
Remember, they are a small, insular group with a quite narrow view of the world. And its easy to say stupid and outrageous things when you are anonymous.

I find them quite amusing at times, as they do us.
Letting them get under your skin is a waste of your time and energy.

Of course, should you perfect the technique of producing spontaneous combustion in someone, do let me know.....cause I too, have a "list".


heh....

[Usrename]

8. Evaporate them with the white hot heat of 1000000000 burning suns

only do it with luuuuuuuuuuv.

:rofl:

I keep posting that I actually tried to think like them during impeachment.

DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS AT HOME.

WARNING : CAUSES PSYCOTIC EPISODES - YEARS TO RECOVER!!!

Although I never get any sympathy for my sacrifice, I do feel your pain.

[izzie]

9. Funny I always thought the govt. was to work for us.

It is a service. We pay taxes for it to do this. I think the GOP can not run any thing that is not for profit. We must just hope that China will lend us more money so we can fix this new mess along with our endless war. When Georgie Boy gets to DC all should be OK. You all know how well he has run every thing in his life.

[Usrename]

12. you get what I'm saying? I didn't try to "understand them" I actually

tried to "think" like them. You know, taking every aspect of the impeachment and making a case that I could believe in, that he should be impeached. I should write about it but I'm afraid the dreams will come back. I can however share some of the things that I learned.

The mind of a freeper doesn't operate on a continuum. Think of the implications of just that first statement. Yes, I truley went through the looking glass and survived it.

It only gets worse from here. Are you scared yet.

[Usrename]

18. Don't believe me? Think I'm lying? Making this stuff up? Watch this.

I think Lindsay Grahmm believes that he acted honorably during the impeachment. He was on the House Judiciary Comittee and in his opening statement he declared that he would not vote articles of impeachment if it was just about sex. The Constitution wouldn't allow this. His word of honor.

If, on the other hand, he found that in the cover-up Clinton (or his aids) had attemped to assinate the character of monica, then this would be a horrendous abuse of power. As a man of honor he would be compelled to impeach. I believe this is how he framed it in his mind before the hearings started.

To his absolute dismay (he was in total shock) nobody had ever smeared her. Nobody had said one unkind word. How could this be? Of course everone must hate her and there just had to be a smear somewhere. Nope, didn't happen.

So then this serial rapist thing started. Women began falling from the trees saying they had been assaulted. For him, believing these rumors was much easier than believing what he knew to be true. Nobody smeared monica and he knew it. Suddenly, in his mind Clinton became a much more evil and dangerous person.

He did his duty and became a house manager and prosecuted Clinton in the Senate. In his mind, he did the honorable thing.

[Usrename]

20. These guys are the 'reason' we need lawyers.

It's why they hate them so much.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

14. Why help them? There's no election coming up.

[ClintonTyree]

15. Yet, if this happened to them........

they'd be the first ones in line "sucking at the government teat" and taking whatever they need to remain the "rugged individualists" that they are. They're selfish children in such a state of arrested development that no empathy can surface inside of their pea-sized brains. Like the dinosaurs, this species will eventually become extinct as well. They can't adapt to a rapidly changing world and can only strike out at everyone and everything that doesn't fit within the very narrow parameters they've set for themselves.
I'll be happy when they become extinct.

[ima_sinnic]

17. I so agree! they just can't adapt.

just in one generation I have seen an evolution of the public consciousness toward acceptance, inclusion -- certainly not perfect, but vastly improved over the unconsciousness of the preceding generations -- but these throwbacks just have not adapted, and cannot. I too see them going extinct.

[jdadd]

16. Jeeeezus will be down for them

soon a giant vacuum will suck them all up to heaven.... :sarcasm:

[pecwae]

19. Eventually, they do get 'theirs'

My Repub neighbor got into a bit of trouble with the IRS (of course, it's someone else's fault) and had to use the county health system. First time in his life he said he's ever had to 'lower' himself. He rationalized that he had paid for it through taxes and has the right to use it unlike those who don't have enough income to 'pay' into the system. I don't even try to understand him anymore.

[WearyOne]

21. don't waste your energy on them

[rockymountaindem]

29. If FEMA is "handout from Uncle Sugar", then we should call these people

what they are: anarchists.

Seriously, why else would we have government if not to help people through this.

I for one feel happy that my tax dollars are being used to help my fellow citizens through this time.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

31. Ironic that these RED STATES are so handsomely

rewarded by the Freeper and Little Green Football assholes who claim to represent the interests of these Red States. Now, when these people need help, these jerks just show 'em the middle finger. Repugnant.

[earth mom]

33. I used to argue with freepers on a mixed site...

before I knew they were called freepers-lol! When I found DU and realized how sick I was of them I haven't been back. It's really a lost cause. Oh, sure, one or two of em here or there may get a clue, but the majority of them are seriously mentally ill not to mention completely and totally racist.

IMO, it's not worth the time and energy expended to even try to change their hearts and minds-that is if they have either. :rofl:

[sampsonblk]

34. This is great, in a somber, gloat-free way

The GOP philosophy is showing itself to be complete self-defeating garbage. Who will Bush try to please? The people who need help, or the people who think needing help is a sign of bad character? Since these are red states, those two groups should have an overlap the size of Texas.

A lot of people who rail against gov't handouts are going to need those same handouts now. They are going to need the same help that they would deny to everyone else in need.

Will Sean Hannity say we have a "nanny society" if the Feds help people in Alabama or Mississippi?

How about this one: "Bad times teach us the lessons we should have learned in good times."