If Ratface ever needed an excuse to pull out of Iraq & save some face

[mtnsnake]

he's got one now. Our troops are in a country that never threatened us, yet the welfare of our homeland is under seige right now by a REAL threat.

What better time for ShitHead to say, 'Fuck it, we've got more important places for our troops and guardsmen to serve us....like Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama where they're needed desperately.'

[MercutioATC]

1. Why do you think he cares about saving face?

He has a limited time left to do what it is he's doing and he obviously doesn't care about the population's desires (other than making an occasional speech which must people don't fully believe, anyway).

He's out in 2009. He doesn't care.

[mtnsnake]

3. Maybe because he's made 1 of the largest military blunders in history?

and he needs some kind of an excuse to get out of there, other than just throwing in the white towel? Then again, you're probably right. He doesn't care.

[MercutioATC]

5. You're thinking responsibly...that's your problem...

I don't think he feels any responsibility, and so he doesn't "need" any excuses. Regardless of the effects of his decisions, regardless of how the public views him, regardless of how history books treat him, he's doing what HIS agenda tells him to and I really think that's all that matters to him.

[maxsolomon]

2. au contraire

if ever the rationale for conquering iraq's oil supply was laid bare, this is it. morality aside, from a realpolitik standpoint, there is more reason than ever to hold onto iraq & its oil.

the midwest will start screaming like stuck pigs now that they're paying west coast prices. imagine what is going to happen when the oil goes away for good. that has been my assertion of the true reason for the iraqi misadventure; to prevent OUR "culture", the baseless, soulless, willful destruction of our last vestiges of a connection to natural processes, from utter collapse, nationalist & reactionary politics, & third world poverty. the spice must flow, essentially.

americans are going to blame someone. and the likely scapegoat laid at the altar will be LIBERALS & ENVIRONMENTALISTS.

[mtnsnake]

4. nah, his mission has been accomplished when gas hit close to $3/gallon

I would imagine that the oil barrons pulling his strings are satisfied.

[maxsolomon]

6. you are too glib

it is not that simple.

the oil pie is getting smaller, and we have china & india to fight for our giant, obese greedy hog of a portion. never mind that we're killing the planet.

to keep our economy, the economy that keeps china's "vibrant" economy afloat & "growing", we must continue our lifestyle based on over-consumption or their plastic crap. the implicit contract made with the american worker at the end of ww2 is: we'll give you an increased standard of living, you stop with the socialism. the freedom NOT to think, the slavery of the gilded cage. it worked for 50 years, and the folly of the PNAC is that they cannot see any future beyond maintaining the status quo.

its like they won't even LOOK at Denmark's example of a sustainable energy future. that, or, since they're oil men, they know something that they feel they cannot share with us sheep. like Denmark is delusional.

i pray i'm wrong.