kentuck
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Sun Sep-04-05 07:56 PM
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They truly believe they can PR their way out of any mess.... |
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...and give them a couple of weeks and Bush will seem like a hero to the American people. Theyt are good at what they do best - propaganda. And they don't have to convince all the American people they did nothing wrong - they only have to convince their Republican supporters and they will be able to divide the people once again. They will divide the nation into Democrat vs Republican over their incompetence.
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Sun Sep-04-05 07:59 PM
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1. And why do they believe that? Because it has worked over the |
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past 5 years time, and time, and time, and time, and time again. Why shouldn't they use a tactic that is so successful - all it takes is selling your soul to the devil, lying out your ass until all of the sheep believe it, pay off the media so that they report it as you like, and hide behind religion....sounds like a winning strategy to me....
That it works at all is a complete embarassment to our country. That so many buy the crap makes we wonder if we can survive as a culture.
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:50 PM
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11. Of course it worked.... |
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with the press dead and sitting on its hands for every event. They got away with it. But Toto has ripped away the curtain and there stands the wizard in all his patheticness.
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Sun Sep-04-05 07:59 PM
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It has worked wonderfully for them so far since the SCLM seems to have a memory half life of about 20 min.
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:00 PM
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3. they truly do. they never try to fix anything or admit any failure. |
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they just PR it to death.
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:06 PM
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4. There's a problem they can't control this time |
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They will have a hard time using "National Security" and "classified Information" to cover their tracks. We can't underestimate them, but I think this time, they are overestimating themselves.
No question, there will be ten times the effort put into planning the PR, than ever went into disaster preparations.
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:23 PM
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8. This time they didn't have embeded reporters. They weren't |
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able to hide what was going on the first few days although I'm sure they were doing everything they can to cover their tracks.
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:07 PM
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5. the problem is: 'nothing fails like success |
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when you're working for the devil'
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:12 PM
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6. "They truly believe they can PR their way out of any mess...." |
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They can't. America is PISSED, and this time it's not just the Left. It's everyone but the most hardcore Rightists. Things are going to change very rapidly in the coming weeks and months, and not in favor of Bush. They can try to divide America all they want. The side that supports them is going to be dwarfed by us. Dwarfed. Everyone saw how callously Bush let tens of thousands die, live, on international TV for DAYS before anything was done. No one who watched that will ever forget it. No one...
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:16 PM
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7. It's already happening. |
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Cheney and Rove have left their vacation spots and are seated behind the big curtain of the palace of the great and powerful OZ.
The word has already gone out that the levies held up just fine: it was the wall and the wall should have been fixed twenty years ago.
The blame has already been shifted to the state and local governments and to the people of the city for not evacuating in a timely fashion. The term Unacceptable was thrown out by bush and meant to land in their laps and not his.
The media is no longer "laying out the truth", but is now being accused of "fingerpointing" and "namecalling".
We are already hearing the term "Crisis President"...and it is being said in a complimentary way.
Yes the smoke and mirrors are being put into place. They were just a few days late because, after all, no one had any warning.
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:32 PM
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9. And Condi spent the day |
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repeating how it is so "wonderful to see Americans helping Americans". Start waving your flags everyone.
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Sun Sep-04-05 08:45 PM
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10. It's hard to PR your way out of thousands of dead Americans |
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that potentially could have been saved. Do you think their familes will forget? Do you think the stranded tourists and business travellers and international travelers stranded in a gigantic tourist location will forget? Will the reporters forget? Will you forget? Will I forget? Deaths. Thousands of preventable deaths. Televised deaths. No air drops. No food. No water. No boats. No buses. Dead babies. Dead old people. Dead blacks. Dead whites. Dead people who look just like you or me who had the misfortune to be in Louisiana or Alabama or Mississippi one particular weekend.
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Sun Sep-04-05 09:02 PM
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12. I'm reminded of Abraham Lincoln --- you can fool all the people |
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some of the time, you can fool some the people all of the time, but you can't fool all the people all time.
This administration has lied too much. People are finally realizing what a loser Bush is.
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Sun Sep-04-05 09:05 PM
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14. Loser isn't exaclty the word for it... |
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Criminally negligent (and willful) mass murderer is more like it.
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Sun Sep-04-05 09:04 PM
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13. It worked before..... |
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and if nothing else, they are good at repeating themselves over, and over, and over and over and over!
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Sun Sep-04-05 09:40 PM
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15. I don't believe they can this time |
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A clear majority already believed that w has screwed up Iraq. And now, we've all seen the pictures of the horrors in LA and MS. In fact, we have the pictures permanently etched into our souls. These pictures cannot be explained away. If they try, they will look even MORE callous, careless and out of touch. They will ALL appear to be "Baghdad Bobs". Words only go so far. Sometimes the truth cannot be denied, and I think the time is now.
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Sun Sep-04-05 09:46 PM
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16. Rove's newest spin-claim: Katrina was the Iranians' fault |
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Yep, those dastardly Iranians are at it again. The Iran mullahs created their own mega-rain-and-wind-producing WMD machine which they covertly deployed to the Gulf of Mexico to create Katrina and hit NOLA, Biloxi, Alabama and Florida. It's all their fault-- toldya those dern ragheads of Persia were up to no good.
In light of the clear evidence of Iranian complicity in this disaster, an act of terrorism and war against US soil, Iran will be promptly invaded by December of 2005, to allow ample time for end-of-year photo-ops of happy Iranian citizens greeting their American liberators with flowers (they don't have to actually *be* Iranians, plenty of folks in these hero 50 states that can look Eye-ranian enough for the cameras at least). To support the invasion, we will promptly be instituting a military draft to bring in enough retards-- er, "patriotic Americans"-- to be cannon fod-- dangit, "heroes in the war against terrorism." Watch out mullahs, cuz we's a comin'!! Yeeeeehaaawww!!!
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Sun Sep-04-05 09:47 PM
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17. First impressions tend to stick |
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And Bush's first impression on this matter was very bad. Now, Rove and company will be working in overdrive to correct this impression. I just hope the Democrats keep the pressure on and keep reminding the people how negligent he was in the beginning.
If we keep putting out the picture of Bush strumming his guitar while NO drowns, it will be hard for him to overcome.
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Sun Sep-04-05 09:58 PM
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18. They know it - they have the loudspeaker after all. |
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Remember 911 being an election platform? IN SPITE of the f*ups? Just you wait!
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Sun Sep-04-05 10:07 PM
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They will have spun * swimming up the Mississippi, with cases of water under one arm and food under the other on the day after the hurricane. Sad part of it. Sheeple will believe. I have heard "Well, New Orleans mayor this, Lousiana governor that." What part of it was more then one state and all of them got left behind.
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Sun Sep-04-05 10:30 PM
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Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 10:37 PM by Lexingtonian
I see it as what they're doing because everything else hurts them (far more) badly. Did you think they'd admit to being such f-ups as their actions have demonstrated? There's no defending what they've done.
The upper tiers of Southern Democrats have been such f-ing wimpy, weasely, spineless crap in many matters for so long that it's the logical point to counterattack if you're a Republican and get attacked by them.
This is the deserts, just or not, for the behavior of a lot of DLCers and Blue Dogs for many many years. This is the deserts, just or not, for that 15-20% of Democrats (generally Southerners) who have supported Bush/Republicans nationally- excoriating national Democrats- and backed their local/state conservative Democrats. They're going to have to deal with the absurdities and price that came from coasting along and collaborating with the opposition now. I'm not going to cry for them- they had it coming, they made themselves vulnerable to it, they sold us other Democrats out cheaply and often...and now they're going to get it good and hard.
If you look at the polling, this disaster has not changed minds greatly. Bush supporters interpret his actions optimistically, Bush critics don't. It's raising doubts and diminishing goodwill and illusions concerning Bush; they aren't depriving him of that last benefit of the doubt, though, which is all the difference in pollings.
They will divide the nation into Democrat vs Republican over their incompetence. This is different from the way things have been how?
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Sun Sep-04-05 11:06 PM
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21. "This is different from the way things have been how?" |
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No, and that is my point. Right now, the media is on hte side of the people starving and drowning, but once the worst is over, I suspect they will go back to their same bended knees and puckered lips...
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theft
murder
propaganda
it's all phony. they are conmen
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