Is Bush Legally Culpable for Deaths?

[DenaliDemocrat]

I think he is. I am assuming that Mike Brown, and his delayed response and failed leadership resulted in the deaths of people in New Orleans. Now, I could be wrong because stories and data are flying all over the place, but for now, I would say that it appears Mr. Brown's inablility to funciton at a capable level in his appointed position cost some people their lives.


As such, Bush bears some legal culpability for these deaths. One job of the president is to nominate people for importanat decisions. Instead of putting a competent person as the head of FEMA, Bush chose to play politics. THIS DEMANDS AN INVESTIGATION!!! If Bush KNEW that Brown was unqualified, but placed him at FEMA as poitical payback, Bush is guilty of dereliction of duty, and should be impeached immediately. He should then face criminal charges AND be liable for civil suits. His gross negligence (putting a woefully unqualified man in charge of Federal Disaster Agency) has made people pay the ultimate price. This is no ACCIDENT! This is IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR -- there is a difference.

As a side note, just to show that I am not a completely partisan hack, Joe Lieberman needs to be put on trial as well. HE was the head of the commission to vet Brown, and he failed. Every other member of that committee failed as well. If these people are not up to the tasks for which they have been voted in, they must leave. THIS TIME, THE MISTAKES HAVE COST PEOPLE THEIR LIVES!!!

[Atman]

1. Leiberman and Bush should be put on trial together

They both have hands drenched in watery blood.

[Name removed]

2. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[acmejack]

3. Wrong Troll

City doesn't even have a thousand buses. And of the <500 they have some 70 were not operable.

[Name removed]

6. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mrcheerful]

23. Not to leave out either...................

that thehurricane knocked out all phone service except for cell phones. And with no power to run radios or TV's what was the mayor supposed to do ? send smoke signals? So how was the poor supposed to know where to catch the bus at? Kind of hard to get where your going when you haven't a clue where your going in the first place.

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mrcheerful]

32. Well ....................

[Jade Fox]

5. Wow, what a brilliantly original bunch of ideas!

:rofl:

Actually it was FEMA which refused to allow the Red Cross in. Get your
facts straight.

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jade Fox]

11. Change of topic....

In your defense of Bush, are you trying to convince us or yourself?

Surely you are intelligent enough to know the man is a disaster.

[Name removed]

12. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jade Fox]

13. You don't consider trillions in debt and the mess in Iraq nightmares?

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jade Fox]

16. Clinton left us with a surplus...

The debt is all Bush's.

I believe it was Bush who said the Iraq war would last about 6 weeks.
Remember "Mission Accomplished"? Now, who is it who has a problem
with immediate gratification? Bush basically promised us immediate
gratification. We have the right to be pissed--at him.

I don't think killing civilians at the rate we have in Iraq is doing much to
promote democracy. We have increased the hatred for our country in
the Arab world, and increased the appeal of terrorists groups. Iraq is
now likely to export plenty of terrorists where before there were none.

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jade Fox]

25. Most of those who brought us 9/11 were Saudi Arabian...

The Saudis are US allies, and the Saudi Royal Family are great friends of the
Bush family. That may explain why Bush has never demanded from his
Saudi friends to know why their countrymen flew planes into the WTC.
Saudi Arabia, by the way, is not a democracy.

Al Qaeda had no presence in Iraq. Based on the events of 9/11 we had no
reason to invade Iraq.

They idea that more Iraqis are dying at the hands of the Iraq Resistance
is wishful thinking. WE started the war. The civillian deaths caused by
that war are on our hands.

[janedoe]

17. Bush has increased the entire US Federal debt by 40%

and that was just his first term!

09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/13/2005 $7,954,180,965,625.52

increase of $2,280,002,755,738.66 in less than five years!

Imagine where we'll be in 3.5 more years. I don't think our country can survive until then.


http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm

[Name removed]

20. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jade Fox]

21. Isn't the occupation of Iraq costing us 6 BILLION A WEEK?

I believe that is the figure.

That's a lot of money for bringing democracy to some people who never
asked us to, never mind that was not the reason Bush gave for invading
a country unprovoked. Bush was planning to invade Iraq long before
9/11 gave him an excuse (see the Downing Street memo).
Bringing democracy to the Middle East is the line employed ever since
those WMD never turned up. Oh, just recently it was "protecting the oil
fields" or something like that.

Most Federal Tax money goes to Defense spending, much of it shockingly
wasteful. Spending on Social Programs palls in comparison. These facts
are a matter of public record. I urge you to look them up yourself.

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jade Fox]

27. Creation of the Left? Then why is it being investigated as we speak...

by Congress?

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jade Fox]

33. The hearings were broadcast on CSPAN today.

You don't really believe that left wing members of Congress hold phoney
committee meetings, do you? That's just silly.

[Vickers]

26. "laviathan"

Let's hope he doesn't cut any Spelling Bee funding. :rofl:

[Name removed]

30. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Vickers]

31. No....I loose.

:spank:

See, your SPELLING harks back to your EDUCATION and your ABILITY TO THINK of which you are GROSSLY INCAPABLE because you are a TOTAL FUCKING LOSER. :rofl:

P.S. Jesus could spell.

[spooked911]

35. Wow. Impressive. Did you hear what Bill Maher said about Bush?

my mom sent me this e-mail:
"His closing bit the other night:

"Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you any
more. There's no more money to spend--you used up all
of that. You can't start another war because you used
up the army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your
term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping
poor people. Listen to your Mom. The cupboard's
bare, the credit cards maxed out. No one's speaking
to you. Mission accomplished.

"Now it's time to do what you've always done best:
lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your
military service and the oil company and the baseball
team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next
fantasy job. How about cowboy or space man?"

[Cobalt Violet]

14. They both make me puke.

I'm glad reagans died.

[riverwalker]

19. then explain Mississippi

explain why they did not get help either, is that also the fault of the mayor of New Orleans?

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[valerief]

4. Roberts will take care of any war crime trials

That's being taken care of right now.

[Halliburton]

7. well if they charged those nursing home operators

for negligent homicide. I don't see why they can't charge junior with negligent homicide as well.

[genius]

9. Morally yes. Legally, have to show an affirmative act & will still have

to fight for it. You will have to get around the immunity provisions. Showing an intent to kill by getting FEMA to delay their response would be good.

[janedoe]

10. Bushco is guilty of terrorism!

and should be prosecuted under the "PATRIOT ACT" followed to the letter of that law. (Wouldn't it be fitting?)

The PATRIOT ACT update, below, gives the definition of "terrorism" to be something that causes massive destruction of property and/or people. A terrorist is one who plans this, funds it, or even helps this act of terrorism happen.

I think Bushco qualifies quite well. (9/11, Iraq, New Orleans... )

(The following only reflects an update to the PATRIOT ACT, but you get the picture.)

HR 3162 SEC. 802 DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM
aided or abetted "mass destruction" including those who allowed it to happen...
Does this only apply to non-US citizens?

I haven't found it, yet, but perhaps there is a clause that exempts the president from prosecution?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/HR3162.htm

Here is a list of criminal acts (or buzz words) that qualify as terrorism. Gee, perhaps they hit all of them in NOLA, but have practiced up for the occasion with other events.

TORTURE-
CONSPIRACY-
SABOTAGE
COMMUNICATIONS LINES
BUILDINGS OR PROPERTY
ARSON-
KILLINGS
PIPELINE FACILITY
DAMAGING OR DESTROYING AN INTERSTATE GAS OR HAZARDOUS LIQUID
DESTRUCTION OF NATIONAL-DEFENSE MATERIALS
DESTRUCTION OF AN ENERGY FACILITY
MATERIAL SUPPORT TO TERRORISTS
DESTRUCTION

I think the above describes Bushco (as a terrorist organization) quite well. What do you think?

[mrcheerful]

34. Yeah but............

that only applies to democrats, liberals and presidents that use cigars in odd ways. Republicans are exempt.

[Laelth]

36. Legally responsible?

The President is immune from criminal prosecution unless he's impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate. Bush can only be held responsible if those two things happen. Whether he has committed a crime is irrelevant until those who have the power to prosecute him do so.

-Laelth

[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.