Bush CO. Springs clip on MSNBC: THIS boy is DRINKING. Bet the FARM on it.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

No, I don't have a link to the clip...sorry.

It was shown about five minutes ago and will probably be repeated endlessly throughout the day.

BIG, puffy bags under his eyes...droopy head...slurred speech...THIS BOY is DRINKING.

I don't need to hear it from the National Enquirer to KNOW it's the truth.

[bigbrother05]

1. Yeah, I noticed the puffy eyes

looked really bad, I quess it wasn't a photo op hurricane.

[Somawas]

2. I don't understand the obsession with Bush drinking.

What's it to you or me if he is?

He was shitty as a Pres before now; he'll continue to be shitty.

And if he fucks up, Cheney will rush him off to a dry out farm some place.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

3. I don't want an alcoholic with his finger on the button...

...that's what it is to me.

[goclark]

42. And he is a stupid, mean and lazy drunk

He is a frat boy with his finger on the button.

What a situation we are in.

[category5]

59. Cheney is the one with finger on the button....Bush is simply the front

man for photo op's.

[mntleo2]

64. Eisenhower Was An Alcoholic

My father-in-law who was in France with him in WWII said he never saw the man sober. Said when he was not in his chalet with his mistress, he was falling down drunk every time he appeared before his troops. Nobody even considered it then...

Frankly I do not care if the man drinks...what I do care about is that he is a clueless elitist wingnut and pretending he is so holy, when he is a freaking liar and a hypocrite...

My two cents

Cat In Seattle

[cornermouse]

6. Cheney can't rush him off to a dry out farm.

He'll have to rush the dry out farm to Bush.

[CatWoman]

20. If you'll check LBN, you'll see that Cheney is in no shape

to rescue Dubya.

Besides -- you want a raving drunk with his finger on the button??

[cornermouse]

23. I already knew about Cheney.

The reason that Cheney will bring the rehab to Bush is to keep it secret. A matter of speculation without evidence.

[CatWoman]

30. Sorry, CM

I was replying to Somawas

[chelsea0011]

7. Of course, you are right. But MSM, even in the face of a failure,

gives this guy a 100% pass and continues the myth of his "character" being above reproach. Nothing ever sticks no matter what the truth is. Maybe, if the media can continue to look like they don't care, just once they will attack. It doesn't matter how his administration is corrupt and murderous, maybe he drinks. That the media can deal with.

[Ikonoklast]

10. Because he LIED about it

He said Jeebus saved him from drugs and booze. He was lying. He was probably drunk when he said it.

[Somawas]

12. Again, what's it to you?

I'm terribly concerned about these Bush drinking again threads. The Clinton blowjob and blowjob coverup produced bored "so what" responses from Dems while the Pugs were screaming that the sky was falling.

Same deal for me here. He may well be telling the trusth when he said that he quit in 1986. Maybe he stayed quit until recently, maybe he never stopped, maybe he's stayed stopped. I don't know and neither does anybody else.

Both LBJ and Nixon drank like fish when they were Pres. GW was shitty every day he's been in office. I don't care why he's been shitty. Maybe because he drinks, maybe because he's fucking evil, maybe because he's dumb. Bunch of possible reasons. But so what. He's the worst president ever, drunk or sober.

[thebigidea]

15. what's it to you?

if it isn't terribly important that he's drinking, it shouldn't be terribly concerning that people are talking about it.

[Dr Fate]

16. Exactly- I'll bet parents of teen-agers find it really cute.

n/t

[Somawas]

33. Because it nothing but bogus name-calling

at the moment. No credible journo report and no credible witness. So why waste our time on it? Why not focus on important stuff. Like the lies, deceit, cronyism, etc.

[thebigidea]

34. I doubt huge amounts of time are being expended laughing at the drunk

but good thing we have you to set the agenda... item 1: no mocking drunken presidents. Check.

[aquart]

48. Because THIS will stick.

He claimed that finding Jesus saved him from the demon rum. Well, he lied. He lies about everything.

I only saw a silent clip of him in Colorado and he looked TERRIBLE. He had that look of flesh falling away from the bones that you see in the dying. And a red nose.

People don't get rug burns from pretzels and NOBODY gets facial cuts falling off a bicycle unless both arms are broken or he's unconscious when it happens. George has been blacking out.

I don't know what his health problem is. If he's drinking or injecting coke on top of it........

[Somawas]

50. It won't stick to anything as a National Enquirer story.

Maybe if a real newspaper has a couple of real witnesses, then maybe it might stick.

But I doubt it. Freeperism is such a cult of personality that if W were to fuck a goat on the National Mall in from of a gazillion tv cameras and the only defense he offered was "You gonna believe what I say or your lying eyes" Freepers would deny that he had fucked a goat.

[SpiralHawk]

53. Bush already did "the goat" on 9/11

My Pet Goat while the USA was under attack. He went AWOL again.

I join with the sober people who do not want a drunk with his finger on the nuclear trigger.

It's a no brainer.

[spacelady]

63. Are you playing devil's advocate here? If it takes the National Enquirer

to expose the Chimperor, so be it. Sometimes it takes a jolt to wake the sheeples, who better than the NE? Sensationalistic maybe, stupid, they aren't. Any public figure is open to scrutiny, perhaps you did not attend Journalism 101. The POTUS is no exception. You bet it's the people's business if he's a drunk!

[Spangle]

18. It matters

Sex and Drinking have always went on in DC. However, the REPUBLICANS are laying claim to being "Gods Political Party." Voting Democrat is supporting SIN. By their logic, that makes them a SINNER for voting Democrat. Aghm... Anyone who follows the politicans knows that such "sinners" are on both sides of the fence. Which makes this idea of "Gods Political Party" a lie.

During the 2000 election, much ado was made about The "Sinful" Clinton Administration. The Republicans ran on "Family Values and Morals." Leaving the meaning of such tearms very VAGUE. Their followers carried signs stating they were going to vote for the Most HONEST and MORAL canidate. No more LIERS, IMMORAL DEGENERATES, etc.. in the WH.

And they voted for BUSH.

Anyone who has been HONESTLY following Bush knows that he doesn't fit this picture that has been painted.

WHY do Democrats allow ourselfs to be painted so unfairly? As you said, the Democrats had a "so what" response to Clinton's BJ. Because it had nothing to do with his running the country. It was a PERSONAL issue, private issue. The Republicans made it a MORAL and PUBLIC issue.

Bush is known to have problems with drinking. SAYS he stopped years ago. Drinking CAN have an impact on ones decisions if one over indulges. Every now and then, it could be handled. Contantly and to excess.. that is a different story. Those that "fall off the wagon", do not do so in just one small step and crawl back on. They tend to fall hard and stay off the wagon.

Another words, Bush's drinking isn't a personal and private issue. It could effect his job, his decission making, etc.

And if DRINKING is considered a SIN by some faiths... then it should be KNOWN that their MORAL leader is such a sinner.

Democrats need to STOP allowing ourselfs to be painted with such a negative brush. WE must stand up and show that the "Party of God" and "Moral Majority" is a LIE.

As you say, other Presidents drank. We also have some very sexually active Presidents as well. The same goes for others in DC and their wild partys. But the Democrats didn't start throwing rocks in their glass house.

[OneGrassRoot]

58. Bingo......you said what I was thinking very

eloquently.....thanks......:)

[renate]

60. nicely put

:thumbsup:

[spooky3]

19. Clinton's BJ and *'s alleged drinking are not parallel.

One of them had nothing to do with job performance. Being drunk or otherwise impaired on the job is the basis for firing if you are an average working Joe/Jane.

[mondo joe]

22. Having an IMPAIRED President is a PROBLEM.

Sorry you can't see that.

[Vickers]

26. It exposes the lie of his sobriety, and the lie of his piety.

Sorry that some of us are "obsessed" with having a President in control of his faculties. :eyes:

[Crunchy Frog]

37. Pickling his already very limited brain with alcohol

and lying about it is very different from having a minor sexual indiscretion and lying about it, especially since his claim to have been saved from alcoholism by Jaysus is one of the cornerstones of his presidency and the basis on which many people support him, as ridiculous as that is.

For all of those reasons, it is a very important issue to me if he is drinking again, quite apart from his general shittiness as a president.

(Neither LBJ nor Nixon based their claims to political legitimacy on their having been saved from drinking by their personal relationship with Christ, so I view their alcohol consumption a bit differently.)

[Lindacooks]

40. It exposes his whole holier-than-thou attitude that is so infuriating

and condescending. If he's drinking (AGAIN), that negates his 'Jeebus saved me' 'God talks to me because I'm pure' 'His Will be done' crap. It's catching him in a huge lie, one that undermines his carefully constructed mask.

[Ikonoklast]

43. I am subject to random drug and alcohol screens

at any given time, for any reason or no reason. If anything shows up on a drug test, I am terminated. No do-overs, no second chance, no arguments, immediate termination. It is a federal requirement for employment, and I agree with it.

What I do for a living does not impact the lives of billions of people world-wide. My judgment does not involve NUCLEAR WEAPONS. If you think that for one minute a wet-brain alcoholic in his position is none of my concern, I am going to call into question your rational thought process.

What's it to me? You have got to be kidding.

[WinkyDink]

55. Because "incompetent"

isn't the same as "not in one's right mind".
And your comparisons to LBJ and Nixon are not flattering to Bush, in regards to war-mongering.

[alittlelark]

62. Drinking and lying about it = alcoholic.....I don't want an alcoholic

as my pResident. I'm OK w/ a sexaholic or a workaholic, but NO WAY should an alcoholic be at the helm of the most powerful nation on earth.

[Ignis]

52. Exactly!

It's not the Dionysian revels...it's the hypocrisy!

[earth mom]

13. Why? Because that drunk is now giving us all the middle finger 24/7!

Drinking on the job given his position proves beyond a doubt that he cares nothing about this country and it's people!

Even worse, if he's as out of control as it appears he is, God only knows what he will do next!

I was afraid before....but now I'm terrified! :scared:

[MODemocrat]

31. He's dangerous

Why should a practicing alcoholic be allowed to be the leader of the free world? Being shitty is the least of our worries. It's his decisions that are our worry, and if he's drinking, he can't see clearly enough to be making these earth-shattering decisions.:scared: :scared: :scared:
He needs to be put in re-hab just like any other alcoholic.

[kiraboo]

57. Don't discount the importance of this. Katrina is helping to bring

about Bush's downfall because it has exposed his gross incompetence. Now folks are "learning" (because they weren't willing to see it before) that the shrub is caving under pressure, and suddenly it becomes apparent that he's a weak man - not a strong leader but a pathetic loser. There are many folks out there who have admired him because he's seemed invincible. Well, he's not. He's a pile of stinking mush. I say, SPREAD THE WORD.

But I agree with you: he sucked, he sucks and he will suck in the future, drunk or not.

[louis-t]

4. Yep, damn liberal media and Democrats have forced *

to start drinking again. It's their fault. Poor man was so disheartened by all of the unpatriotic anti-war people that he just caved. They picked on him until he couldn't stand it anymore. Every man has his limits, etc., etc.....Remember Archie Bunker? "Phlebitis? Ain't dat what the Democrats gave Nixon?"

[StephanieMarie]

5. Why this matters

is that the right wing facists will finally see him for what he is--a liar. And the psuedo-Christian will abandon him as an unrepentant sinner. Personally I could care less, if he could actually do the job, which he can't drunk or sober.

[KBlagburn]

35. IT MATTERS BECAUSE HIS FINGER'S ON THE BUTTON

Bill Clinton, in his act with monica, did nothing to compromise the safety and security of this country. If bush IS drunk, how the hell can he make any life or death decision. And yes I know cheney is really running things, but when it comes to nuclear codes, this makes me nervous.

[TomInTib]

8. clip is on MSNBC.com. I drank 3 bottles of wine last night and

looked better than that when I woke up this morning.
I am only 2 years younger than the idiot.

BTW, I have no problems with someone drinking. It is the hypocricy that bugs me.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

9. In general terms I also have no problem with someone drinking.

When it comes to a person in a position of extreme responsibility and authority, I have a big problem with them drinking.

It's not on moral grounds. I don't inflict my moral compass on others.

Bush can drink all he likes after he leaves office. Now, he's on the clock. Put a cork in it and get back to work.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Interesting

I wish I could see that. I betcha he is too.

[DemoTex]

14. Absolutely no doubt.

That's a drunk MoFo. I can almost smell the stale booze on his breath.

[Cha]

17. OMG! I've never seen a

picture of him that hungover..he's reminescent of my father on his worst days after.

How is he getting the sauce..aren't there people on bottle patrol?

And what good is pickles?


Edit~to say ..those BAGS under his eyes are signs his kidneys are Bloated.

[POAS]

25. Why do people keep wondering where he gets the booze?

The residence section of the WH probably has a stocked bar is every room. Ditto for Air Force One. I doubt anyone cares if he is drinking any more than they care that their whole agenda is a pack of lies. It is just one more little hypocrisy that is no more important than any other hypocritical lie they tell to remain in power.

As for Laura supposedly yelling "George, Stop" when she caught him drinking, it was probably because he was drinking her good stuff.

[Cha]

28. Thanks for that enlightened

scenario..I was thinking a long the lines of.. the puppetmeisters wouldn't want an out of control chimp to ruin his carefully constructed image.

But, you may be right..they're so arrogant they could give a shit what gets out. Except I do notice they have bush attending a few more meetings on Rita after Katrina's Disasterous PR.

[Donna Zen]

38. He's been openly drinking the entire time:

Early in our national nightmare, an article pointed out that bush drank "non-alcoholic" beer. For those of you who know, that beer does contain some alcohol, and is strictly off-limits for recovering alcoholics. Basically, he kept the addiction under control with small doses, but it would be usual in people who were fooling themselves this way, to see binges now and again. Hmmmm now, how many strange bruises have we seen covered up with strange stories and lots of makeup?

Couple that with his "dry drunk" behaviors, his rejection of any professional help, and the result is what we see today: full blown alcoholism.

For those brushing away the concern about this, please consider that a person welding great power is very, very sick. If no one talks about it, if instead the cover-up succeeds, then we are endangering ourselves and without being overly dramatic, the world.

Look at what he has done already. Think about what he might do next.

[POAS]

49. I agree completely Donna Zen

It is extremely dangerous to the immediately family to continue enabling a drunk.

In this case, enabling the man holding the most powerful office in the world is dangerous to the world.

[Rageneau]

54. Bush probably thinks he "presidents" better when he drinks.

Like drunk drivers do.

[grasswire]

21. is that an abrasion on his left cheek?

There's a dark area, isn't there? In the old pretzel location?

[Sparkly]

24. It cracks me up that this attempt at Photo-Ops is so LAME!!!

THIS is the best they could do in their effort to make Chimpy look like he's in control, in command, and engaged?!?

Pitiful!!

[renate]

61. I saw him at that briefing

rocking back and forth in his chair like a bored 3-year-old. Then the camera moved away from him for a couple of seconds, then it moved back and he was sitting still. I guess Condi had a little talk with him.

[Jade Fox]

27. Man, he looks bad!

I've never seen him with those bags under his eyes. He must be carrying
a quart of hooch in those alone.

And damn. He looks like an old man.

[belle]

45. And yet, somehow, he also still looks like a little boy. Creepy.

[peekaloo]

29. Guy on the right is smiling because he won the "will he show up drunk"

pool.

[opihimoimoi]

32. Or, he might be a DEM and luving the photos being taken... .....

Assuming more than one....

[spacelady]

36. Anyone who thinks that a drunken President is none of our business

needs to remember the already mentioned "Job Performance" and "Impairment", hell plenty of people get arrested and lose their jobs for that sort of behavior. Why should the leader of the U.S. be exempt??

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

41. For many jobs, especially those involving safety, there's a zero-tolerance

policy for drinking on the job. For example, at most airlines a pilot will be fired on the spot if he shows up to fly after having consumed any alcohol. Why should the president, the guy who has the freaking nuclear launch codes, be held to a lower standard?

[Digit]

39. Anybody have the clip yet?

[tularetom]

44. It's not that the's a drunk

it's that he's fuckin incompetent. If he's incompetent because he's drunk thats one thing. But I don't think thats the case. I believe he's drunk because he can't deal with his incompetence any other way and thats what makes him dangerous. He's scared shitless we'll all find out he's a fraud - what he doesnt know is a lot of us figured it out five years ago. When he fnally realizes that, I believe we'll see the public meltdown we've been waitin for.

[zulchzulu]

46. If I were Bush, I'd be drinking too...hell, I'd be drunk ALL the time

If in fact Chimpy has some semblance of human conscience or id, he would be utterly ashamed of ALL the failures in policy and action that he has created...he would know that he's a stooge, a patsy for PNAC, a war criminal and yes, even a failure as a parent with a loveless marriage to an Stepford automaton...

...yes, I'd be a drunkard too. Almost as bad as Nixon was just before he was nearly impeached,

[bluedawg12]

47. If an alcoholic resumes drinking: they are having a relapse.

They are not just average people who are blowing off steam with a few drinks. For a dry-drunk, ie. one who does not work a recovery program and has no support, to start drinking alcohol means that it is likely their alcoholic personality traits will come out.

Among them labile emotions, anger, loss of control, the risk of being impaired when big decisions have to be made. It's a question of time before they spiral out of control and go back to their last "bottom" level in an accelerated manner.

[Eurobabe]

51. Why no DRUG/ALCOHOL/POLYGRAPH testing for this DIPSHIT???

He has access to ALL national security info -- sorry, but I think the President (whoever he or she may be) should be subject to rigorous testing, randomly and frequently. Folk in 'lesser' positions are, ferchrissakes!

[Imagevision]

56. BUSH, a crazy man product from The Skull And Bones clique