Get Ready, My Friends.

[CrackpotAmerica]

In the coming days, we will likely witness a collective and deliberate attempt by the RNC and other conservative groups and individuals to lessen the impact of the White House’s criminal activity.

Mr. Mehlman is no-doubt busy typing a fresh list of talking points that seek to lower the standard in which we are to perceive and expect our government to uphold.

We will hear a much louder implication that “political hardball” is and should not be deemed criminal. The theme repeated by FOX news of “the criminalization of politics” will likely spread to other pundits on competing networks to fight the dire impact of blatant and unapologetic criminal activity as practiced by our nation’s executive branch.

This upcoming surge of murky rhetoric is as dangerous to us as it is despicable. If successful, it will serve as a textbook practice in the future, which will allow future Presidents and government entities an easier way to achieve their whims unlawfully and without reprisal.

Mr. Mehlman is a man who seldom looks forward, and beyond the immediacy of conflicts in the present tense. He is incapable of assessing whether his pettiness and the actions that result from it to allow his benefactors to go for one more day would serve to damage the dignity of our nation many months or years ahead.

Should any of us fall for these upcoming attempts to desensitize us of the impact of a President and staff who will practice criminal activity to push forward, we will have ensured in advance the practice of these methods for our children, whose suffering will make ours seem insignificant.

And so, as these days of indictment and implication reach their logical course, we must be diligent in debunking and opposing the RNC methods to murk this issue.

Mr. Mehlman will most likely be faxing out a plethora of talking points beginning today. Be sure to read them, debunk them, and spread the word.

Remember, if he succeeds in his treachery with this matter, he will have unwittingly succeeded in lowering the standard in which we are to uphold the practice and policy of our leaders.

I ask you, has it not been lowered enough?

[AverageJoe]

1. An important and eloquent reminder

Thank you for this. Things are likely to get bloody and the stakes are enormous.

[punpirate]

2. This should not be new (or news) to long-time observers...

... of the `pugs. This was actually a persistent theme of Cheney when he was still in the House, regarding Iran-Contra--that what the Reaganites were doing was simply politics and the investigation was attempting to criminalize a "political difference of opinion" between Congress and the President.

Then, as now, it's not just a political difference. It's criminal behavior masked as official government policy. Making that plain, whenever someone starts rattling off the talking points, is the only way to counter those falsehoods.

[CrackpotAmerica]

3. Yes, but:

This one is a bit different.

This one involves indictment.

Should Nixon have overcome his similar problems, we would be the "children" I was speaking of.

Just a pep talk!

:)

[punpirate]

6. As did Iran-Contra...

... and Watergate, for that matter, which I wasn't addressing.

This is not a new tactic on the part of Republicans, but, rather, is an old one (maybe not tried and true, but an existing one, nevertheless).

And, I hasten to add, it didn't prevent indictments in the past. That Cheney was principal promoter of this PR tactic during Iran-Contra should be instructive as to why it is being employed now. :) That's my point.

Cheers.

[CrackpotAmerica]

7. It's sooo funny that he voted for the law

that got him in this, isn't it?

[punpirate]

9. It would be even funnier...

... if it causes the downfall of Bush, whose father, as VP, asked for the law to be enacted.... :P

[CrackpotAmerica]

13. I wonder what GB 41 thinks of his kid? NT

[DIKB]

4. I for one will not accept

ANY apologists for this administration. No soundbites, or talking points. I intend to hold them responsible for the lies they have told, for the blatant hypocrisy, for the thousands of dead.

Get a Fire in your belly folks. Fill yourselves with righteous anger, and support your stance with the Truth.

They have loaded the guns for us. By the quotes of George H.W. Bush about outting people, and the numerous quotes from the late 90s of the seriousness of perjury, we will blast them with their OWN words.




To the casual observer, the entire Plame matter is confusing. Simplify it for them.

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for leaking secrets at a time of War, this is what THIS Administration has done as well.

Simply put Valerie Plame was a NOC, non-official cover for the CIA. As loathe as I am to use pop-culture, the movie Mission Impossible was ENTIRELY about people trying to get ahold of NOC agents' identities.

This goes MUCH farther than one agent. Not often talked about is how the traitor Robert Novak also exposed Plame's CIA Front Operation that she helped run: Brewster-Jennings & Associates. Over decades, the CIA had built up the fake firm and through it insinuated agents to keep an eye on not only WMD, but also ARAMCO, Saudi Arabia and their oil production and politics. Hundreds of agents have worked for Brewster Jennings and Associates. Novak emperiled all of their lives and the lives of their informants.




Brewster-Jennings
NOC agent - Mission Impossible
Rosenbergs executed
Clinton - Perjury = Impeachable vs. Libby/Rove - Perjury = No big deal ?!?!?!

Hit them hard and fast, and Don't let up.

Let's kick this thread and dismantle their lies as they come up with them.

[CrackpotAmerica]

5. ^^ read this post by DIKB!

I wish I could vote for it!


:woohoo:

[OneTwentyoNine]

8. Get ready for phony Terra threats,"BIG" news in Iraq and other BS....

Any kind of distraction that the MSM will run with is being planned as we speak.

[CrackpotAmerica]

11. That could be a Pulitzer Prize winning essay.

I wish I was smart enough to write it!

I am afraid that all of this recent "cry wolf" fascism will really hurt us in the future.

[hwmnbn]

10. Thanks to folks like CrackpotAmerica......

and DIKB and others here at DU, I feel like I am ready for BEAR!!

My freeper relatives cannot continue when confronted with facts. When I unspin their spin, for the most part they shut up and walk away. But I know they think about it.

Keeping it simple is the only way to reach these birdbrains!!!

[CrackpotAmerica]

12. I believe that many "birdbrains"

Are people who simply wish to hold on to some shred of confidence in our government.

I, myself regret at times the fact that my eyes have been thrust wide open. After all, when that happens, we both know that the view is difficult to digest.

However, my regrets are far outweighed by my dedication to take every step within my means to let my opposition be heard. I am forever to grateful to DU for allowing me to take solace in the knowledge that there are so many others who share my opposition!

[DIKB]

14. I know what you mean

I have family members who it is very hard to get through to. A nuanced position loses them, therefore I'm forced to keep things simple. I think that the democrats could really benefit from doing the same. At the very least it would keep repukes from playing the "flip-flop" card again.

[kywildcat]

15. Nixon = Bush

I would like to hear every Democratic tapped to speak in the coming weeks to say repeatedly
"president Nixon, excuse me, Bush has...."
I would like every sentence uttered to start with this simple phrase.
Bare me out here...watergate is the ultimate in corruption. If Bush is repeatedly linked to Nixon, so is the implication.
Anyone see where I'm going with this?

edit;poor spelling, sorry!

[CrackpotAmerica]

16. Nixon - 80 IQ points = Bush!

Very bad, but not an empty shell of a man was he!

:)

[CrackpotAmerica]

17. Selfish, but, I can almost taste that 5th vote~!

I love when I get into the greatest threads. It is one of my guilty pleasures.

Is there something bad about that?

[CrackpotAmerica]

24. AAAH! Sweet Satisfaction!

1000 times better than that "other" internet recreation!

You know what I'm a talking about~!

:wink:

[CrackpotAmerica]

18. Here's a cheat sheet.

When I obtain the new TP's I'll post to compare.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Exclusive_GOP_talking_points_on_Rove_seek_to_discre_0712.html

On Edit, here's a great piece about what to expect:

<snip>


Pre-Emptive War Against Patrick Fitzgerald
Rep. John Conyers

As if spin and character attacks were a viable justification for a massive breach of national security, Republicans have already decided to smear Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald rather than take responsibility for their own misdeeds. Prevailing wisdom expects grand jury indictments to be issued this week. Any criminal charges will likely reach deep into the White House.

Over the weekend, the GOP spin machine gave us a preview of what we can expect from the Republican Party when we finally learn who outed CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson.

</snip>

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m17161&date=26-oct-2005_01:57_ECT

[Arkana]

19. Stick to our message.

What's that message?

THEY LIED TO US.

Stick to that message like glue. They didn't "misspeak", they didn't "slip up", they didn't get "bad intelligence." THEY LIED TO US.

[CrackpotAmerica]

21. I agree with that.

I think that larger groups should begin running tv spots as if it were October 2004.

This is just too big for the American people to forget or ignore.

Moveon.org runs ads every day now. I think we should see much more!

[glitch]

30. BUSH LIED US INTO WAR

just a little more clarification. And we could add:
FOR THEIR PERSONAL PROFIT.

[butterfly77]

20. notice each night how Tweety..

goes through every kind of scenerio possible (he looks so sad )he looks like he's trying to give them their game plan. Tony blankley shows up everywhere trying to sell his damn book and back away ever so slightly.

[CrackpotAmerica]

22. I love watching him grab at straws! NT

[holeinthedonut]

23. Very Well Said

This may be one of the best things I've read on this list - ever. Should be mandatory argument for all of us engaged in this so call dialogue about crime and what is and what is not.

thanks

[CrackpotAmerica]

25. Thx!

:blush:

[wryter2000]

26. I'm in

If you see the repug talking points, be sure to post them here, so I'm prepared. IMHO, it hurts their credibility somewhat just to point to the memo to show that it's a concerted effort to save their asses at any case.

[robbedvoter]

27. True. here's one: W is a saint, the rest will be replaced, hail W!

I noticed this on MSNBC which I had on for a few hours after the threads here.
His 'poll numbers went up" just as only 10% believe no one did anything wrong in the "administration" It's that darn 'administration" that did it folks! W is A-OK!
Oh, yeah? Did the administration say "the 16 words?"

[cassiepriam]

39. St George going to play the victim card bigtime.

* an innocent victim of incompetence all around him. Poor man. Just like he blamed the CIA for "faulty intelligence." Everyone else has screwed up. Not Saint George.

[CrackpotAmerica]

40. Narcissism Personified! NT

[Senator]

28. We need to stop "vollying" and MOVE the GAME >>>

Katrina vanden Heuval finally got the bottom line said on Hardball (I think she stunned Chris).

They committed the MOST HEINOUS ACT OF TERRORISM IN HISTORY when they falsely threatened the American People with "mushroom clouds in 45 minutes."

Anything 20 guys with boxcutters could do pales in comparison. Even a "dirtly bomb" is less threatening.

The **PNACons' "bomb threat" on our nation (accomplished by using/abusing our tax dollars and resulting in the sacrifice our soldiers' lives) was only perpetrated to advance their own ideological and profiteering wet-dreams.

This was NOT "incompetence."

Maybe pathetic old Ronny Raygun could get away with saying "I really believed I wasn't trading arms for hostages," but not even the bushkid is that out of touch with reality.

Arianna is almost right. Worse than Watergate.

But this was NOT "hubris" leading to "over-reach."

The was premeditated criminal intent leading to willful criminal acts, that in the context of national security can only accurately be called HIGH TREASON.

Yes, Worse than Watergate.

But far, far worse. And we need to say so. Loudly. And refuse to shut up until full punishment is exacted.
----

**(pronounced pee-nah-cons)

--
www.january6th.org

[Felix Mala]

29. Michael Barone's column today says there was no crime to

investigate and if the prosecutor follows through with indictments, it will only hurt voters and the press. It will destroy access and the "flow" of information and deprive the administration of some great advisors.

Gee, what good is the "flow" of information if it's all a bunch of GOD DAMNED LIES!!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. But they've already sealed their fate. Don't you remember that

particularly turbulent time in American history called the Clinton years? All we have to do is turn their own arguments against them.

[CrackpotAmerica]

32. Not to be a steriotypical Italian, but:

I have to go make a pot of sauce for my wife!

I shall return later and do more looking for some updated TP's from Mehlman.

Should anyone find any, please post them here.

Thanks, I love my DU family :pals:

Also, Please spread the word about this tactic to anyone who will listen!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!

[rucky]

34. Get back here and give us your sauce recipe.

we've got priorities, here. and it's almost supper time.

[CrackpotAmerica]

35. It's a family secret!

I'll mail you a spoonfull if you like.

:)

[rucky]

33. Response: It's the "Politicization of crime."

to quote The Daily Show.

[Terran]

36. Fortunately we have the extensive Clinton impeachment record

to fall back on and refer to. Just a few years ago ALL of these people were screaming for Bill's death based on a charge that is only one among many that will be brought by Fitzgerald against these self-same hypocritical twits. It's going to be deliciously easy to counter this spin, if only the Democrats will do so. And if we have to do it for them, then so be it.

[CrackpotAmerica]

37. I find that astounding:

I was very angry with Mr. Clinton when he had lied. I voted for him twice and it was hard to digest.

I thought that he should have just told the truth from the beginning and stated that it was a family issue and frankly, none of anyone's business.

However, his indiscretions were of a deep personal nature. What we are talking about here is the reckless disregard and further the institutional disdain toward our nations men and women in the field.

It's like comparing a rock to a mountain.

It's despicable!

[CrackpotAmerica]

38. Noam Chomsky Wrote:

<Snip>
A hypocrite might argue that the state attack on political dissidence has often been within the bounds of the law -- at least as the courts have interpreted the Constitution -- whereas Watergate and the other White House horrors were plainly illegal. But surely it is clear that those who have the power to impose their interpretation of legitimacy will so construct and construe the legal system as to permit them to root out their enemies. In periods when political indoctrination is ineffective and dissent and unrest are widespread, juries may refuse to convict. In fact, in case after case they have done so, inspiring tributes to our political system on the part of commentators who overlook a crucial point. Judicial persecution serves quite well to immobilize people who are a nuisance to the state, and to destroy organizations with limited resources or to condemn them to ineffectiveness. The hours and dollars devoted to legal defense are not spent in education, organization, and positive action. The government rarely loses a political trial, whatever the verdict of the courts, as specialists in thought control are no doubt well aware.

</snip>

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19730920.htm