WAIT...Bob Woodward just said that there was little to no damage...

[shoopnyc]

...done to those connected to Plame's operations. Larry Johnson, and this other guy on Randi, (ray something), said otherwise. Before I write the Wash Post and Mr. Woodward, I need some documentation. Anybody have anything linkwise?

[DU9598]

1. What a difference a few decades make

Now Bob is fine with a government breaking the law (maybe even treason) and then covering it up. I guess being an "insider" changes a lot, huh Bob?

[Brundle_Fly]

2. Bob Woodward

isn't the same kid who opened the pandora's box of watergate.

he is a very well paid, fat cat editor, who has already written a cheerleading book for shrub.

[aquart]

4. He is also an admitted Republican.

[rodeodance]

7. you are right. He made a Right turn a long time ago.

[Jacobin]

25. He's really into this 'remaking the Middle East" thing

East is east and west is west and never the t'wain shall meet.

[cantstandbush]

29. The neocon agenda trumps everything. And don't you forget it. n/t

[Botany]

3. sure bob

drop by Walter Reed and look @ the amputees and tell that there is no
damage ......

IT IS ABOUT LYING TO GET US INTO A WAR

[deadparrot]

5. Bob Woodward doesn't know anything.

All information is with Fitz and the Grand Jury.

Since they haven't leaked, no one knows. It's all speculation.

[jrthin]

6. Take a good look,

look hard at Woodward: that's how a greedy, unprincipled whore looks.

[Brundle_Fly]

33. yep.

wasn't his book on deep throat out in like 15 days after he went public?

making his mortgage payments.

[wakeme2008]

8. Send him a link to Larry Johnson

talking about the damage.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/27.html#a5587

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

27. Link to transcript Larry Johnson, Situation Room interview

Not quite half way down it begins with some background from Ensor, then Wolf Blitzer and Larry Johnson.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/26/sitroom.03.html

[quiet.american]

9. Curiously enough, Richard Clarke suggested the same thing on AAR

I was pretty surprised to hear Clarke cough up the Kool-Aid by essentially repeating the wingnut talking point of the "criminalization of politics" and responding to Sam Seder that he doubts anyone has been killed as a result of Valerie Plame having her cover blown.

Curious.

[AX10]

10. are you sure about this?

He didn't say this on Franken's show.

[quiet.american]

17. Yes -- The Majority Report

I don't have the exact quote, but I knew he threw Sam Seder for a loop, and Sam said more than once he couldn't agree with him on that.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

28. Yes, he was very good on the Franken show n/t

[shoopnyc]

14. Which AAR show?

[quiet.american]

19. He was on The Majority Report on Wed., 10/26.

As I mention in another reply, I don't have the exact quote, but his take on things was definitely not what Sam Seder, and I suspect most of us in the AAR audience, expected.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

31. Link to audio of Clarke on Fresh Air with Terry Gross, says same stuff

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4973952

But he does concede that W et al do smear whistle blowers etc, worse it has ever been.

[mzmolly]

20. The law doesn't require that someone be killed.

It's not about politics, it's about breaking the law and jeopardizing national security.

;)

[quiet.american]

21. Agreed. ;) n/t

:hi:

[mzmolly]

22. Their arguments seem silly don't they? Especially given the fact that

Bush # 1 put this law into effect, and Cheney voted for it.

Their BS about Wilson's wife sending him could have been avoided by them simply lying/spinning with the following: "Cheney did not send Wilson, a personal acquaintence of his, within the agency did." They did not have to out Valerie Plame.

[quiet.american]

23. Exactly. They didn't have to, and they should go down for it

These couple paragraphs from one of the early stories on this have never left my mind:

Yesterday, a senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife. Wilson had just revealed that the CIA had sent him to Niger last year to look into the uranium claim and that he had found no evidence to back up the charge. Wilson's account touched off a political fracas over Bush's use of intelligence as he made the case for attacking Iraq.

"Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge," the senior official said of the alleged leak.

[mzmolly]

24. It would be so great if "Fitz" has a secret witness who will spill the

beans on these vengeful, wreckless, arrogant, greedy, dangerous, bastages!

[quiet.american]

26. Yes -- a "Perry Mason/Ben Matlock" moment would work for me! :) n/t

[shoopnyc]

11. Ray McGovern! That's the guy from Randi! eom

[Igel]

12. That would be classified, of course.

In fact, I don't even see much of a need for Fitzgerald to know: outing Plame is sufficient of a crime, and presumably the penalty prescribed by law includes the consequences of outing the agent.

[shoopnyc]

13. true.

[tularetom]

15. Woodward has rendered himself irrelevant

I don't think he has any credibility anymore outside the beltway. Its only the dumbshits who book panelists for the various blathering head TV shows who think he has anything worthwhile to say. Besides he always sounds to me like someone who rode to school on the short bus.

[MADem]

16. I know exactly what Woodward is doing

He is greedy, he is GOP, but he is NOT STUPID. I have said this before, and I will say it again, because I believe it to be true.

Bobby has written TWO books on the Monkey: PLAN OF ATTACK and BUSH AT WAR. These literary hummers did very well, for the same reason that Ann Coulter's books do well--they are shopped about as party favors to the GOP faithful. Anyone who paid full price didn't donate sufficiently to the party, and not only that, they got a lousy read.

Woodward clearly is looking for a trifecta--the final volume of his LORD OF THE DINKS trilogy, as it were. So, in order to ensure that his subject isn't pissed off at him, he goes on TV and plays loyal, fawning foot soldier. In this fashion he retains the INCREDIBLE access, better than anyone else, really, that he has to the Monkey. And oh, to be a fly on the wall in these troubled times!!!!

But the way things are going, the GOP ain't gonna wanna buy up his book this time, seeing as even they are less than thrilled with Bush, his lousy plans of attack, and least of all, his bungled war. Accordingly, this last episode has to have some real, brutal TRUTH in it. I suspect Book Three is gonna be considerably more honest than the last two.

[Kingofalldems]

18. Bingo!

He needs access and will not get it if he is critical of Bush. It's all about him.

[staticstopper]

32. He was

Navel Intelligence during his college years, then project Mockingbird drafted him into a writing gig and he helped "The Powers That Be" take down Nixon over his China obession/That "Bay of Pigs Thing"....or so say the tin foil crowd. :tinfoilhat: :hide:

[CAG]

30. Of course, if someone in the Clinton administration did ANYTHING

similar, then Woodward would be right in there with the repubs telling us how horrific/immoral/evil these clintonites were.

He also said he couldn't see how this tied into the buildup to the Iraq war since it happened after the war started.... to which Gergen basically said, in not so many words "Duh, you dumbsh**, of course it did"

[orleans]

34. was it woodward or someone else on the show

who said that a study was done or referred to a study that basically said no one was killed or hurt in connection with the outing of valerie.

what freaking study is this?