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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:06 PM
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Bush Allies Say He's Lost His Way
WASHINGTON - The building blocks of President Bush's career — his credibility and image as a strong and competent leader — have been severely undercut by self-inflicted wounds, leading close allies to fret about his presidency. They say he's lost his way.

These senior Republicans, including past and current White House advisers, say they believe the president can find his way back into people's hearts but extreme measures need to be taken. Shake up his staff, unveil fresh policies, travel the country and be more accountable for his mistakes — these and other solutions are being discussed at the highest levels of the GOP.
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A White House official privately put it this way: Bush has to step up somehow and be accountable.

These allies said they would only speak on condition of anonymity because they did not want to be viewed as disloyal.

boo hoo

Oh, what a tangled web was wove'
When you threw in with George and Rove
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:09 PM
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1. His own people will cause his downfall.
I love the "disloyal" part - shades of Nixon, anyone? :eyes:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:09 PM
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2. No, just lost his 'brain'...
Rove is gone and the house of cards is coming down.

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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:10 PM
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3. It will be a cold day in Hell
before he does any of that.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:10 PM
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4. Who could have said such a thing?
Libby? No, he is out of the WH.
How about Cheney? "Get out of the way George, I'm movin' in."
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:10 PM
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5. There is no 'there' there and never ever was
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:11 PM
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6. It's good that he's lost "his way"...
'cause I don't think that's a direction we want to go in.

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 12:52 PM
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58. How do you figure?
He couldn't find his own arse with both hands & GPS!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:12 PM
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7. Anonymous sources..
because they are speaking the truth and "don't want to be seen as disloyal".

Chickenshits..they don't want to get their collective head Chewed Off.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:12 PM
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8. Boo hoo--did the birds eat the breadcrumbs he dropped
(before they all fell out of the sky after dying of "bird flu"?)
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:13 PM
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9. Ah, but Bush doesn't do accountable well.
The so called pundits have been recalling Reagan's pseudo mea culpa, but GWB couldn't pull that off to save his life.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:14 PM
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10. Interesting Quote
"In my administration, we will ask not only what is legal but what is right, not just what the lawyers allow but what the public deserves," Bush said Oct. 26, 2000.


I guess we've been finding out tyhe hard way what the Chimp thinks we deserve !!!

What a fraud of president and a man !
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Tony_Illinois Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:21 PM
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11. Is NOT Gonna Happen
This president does not tolerate differing viewpoints in those around him. His fragile ego cannot handle that and therefore anyone who disagress is gotten rid of. From Colin Powell to Wesley Clark to General Eric Shinseki, powerful voices in opposition to any policy--even the audacity to question a policy--is a ticket out.

This is a president in a bubble and there is nothing on the horizon that looks able to get through to him. He is in a snit right now, from published reports, and lashing out at staffers waaaaaaaaaaaay below his pay grade. Spoiled rotten and a pissy little wreck because people just do not buy everything he says--most of which he himself does not understand, as it is written for him. When he speaks on his own we get insightful little gems like, my administration will “never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people.”

No, this is not a president about to experience any kind of soul-searching or growth anytime soon.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:21 PM
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12. His way was one paved with fraudulent intentions.
Look at who paved it for him: Billy Graham and Karl Rove.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:26 PM
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13. This is Fundy Code!!!! Probably crafted by Karen Hughes
This is all Fundy code- "Lost his way", "back into people's hearts", "be more accountable"...

And, more importantly, this is probably an innoculation for something big coming down the pike.

Get ready for Rove to be indicted, folks.

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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 11:41 AM
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54. back into people's hearts----??!!
I caught that too and thought it was a weird expression.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:33 PM
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14. Bush? Be accoutable?
Bwhahahahahahahaha.......

:rofl:
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Hillgiant Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:03 PM
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15. psst....
The emperor has no clothes. Nice to see others catching on.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:15 PM
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16. great post rose
i can honestly say i laughed out loud
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:18 PM
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17. The people that suck junior's tit and speak on conditions of anonymity
are cowards of the lowest form.
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Blue Topaz Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:31 PM
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18. What a great article!
So the little lamb has "lost his way".... well boo freaking hoo. It's more a case of the curtain being pulled aside on the deception and ineptitude of the naked emperor and his cronies.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:52 PM
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19. Is he going to tour the country talking about how he wants to cut medicare
and medicaid to help pay for Katrina? What's he going to say? The war is going well?

I suppose he will stand before the military (which he has all but broken) and talk about the avian flue and try to scare everybody. I mean really, what is he going to say that will matter at this point??!!!
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cynskeptirealist Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 12:14 AM
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20. In other words...
this anonymous source is saying chimp must now act like a normal well adjusted human being! Sorry gawd damn it, but it is against his dark nature to be anything but self-centered, irresponsible for his actions, dull-wittedly stubborn and just a plain F'up. He has the flying thing down pat though...
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 12:16 AM
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21. Welcome to DU, cynskeptirealist
:hi:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:51 AM
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31. A warm welcome to DU, cynskeptirealist! Bush is also deteriorating:
See this video comparing his public speaking 10 years ago in Texas, when he was smooth and articulate tallking without notes, and recently, when he can barely form a sentence even with prompting. Looks like some form of presenile dementia, and that is progressive.

Here's the video:
http://www.adbuzz.com/bushbuzz.htm
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:31 AM
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34. A new flaw in speech I've noticed...
I've watched his past couple of speeches he's given. He's starting to pause in the middle of his sentences, almost as if he's hit the end of a teleprompter line and he's waiting for it to scroll up.

That can't be the reason though. There's more than one line of text on the teleprompter, and they keep it scrolled a little ahead to prevent this. Also, in at least one of those speeches, he had the text of the speech on paper in front of him...

Then again, maybe he just has love notes from Miers on the podium to quell his nerves.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 11:25 AM
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52. maybe its a short in his transmitter
Remember the bulge under his coat during the debates? Perhaps he now uses a smaller version with a short in it.

Maybe he's just shorting out himself.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:57 AM
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46. Welcome to DU, cynskeptirealist!
:hi:

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:06 PM
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59. Hi cynskeptirealist!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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slybacon9 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 12:52 AM
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22. Um, when did he have a way?
You mean he suddenly started telling the truth and giving a fuck about something else than besides monetary wealth and personal gain?

no?

o...
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:10 AM
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23. His attention span is limited to five years- he's at his limit now
I don't believe he lasted more than five years playing a business man before destroying the business, playing a fighter pilot in the TANG without failing and getting out early, playing a big time professional sports team owner, or playing Governor of Texas.

I think George is hitting his personal five year wall in his latest bought and paid for vanity career, and there is nothing anybody can do to cover for him.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:30 AM
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24. Bush Enemies Say He Lost His Mind
not that there was ever much there to begin with.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:58 AM
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33. Who's been saying that - besides us? I've thought his obvious mental
and emotional dysfunction has been carefully and elaborately ignormed by Congress and by the media.
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:45 AM
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25. There is only way * can truly be accountable - he must step down! n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:40 AM
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26. All of this play-acting nonsense was predicted before the indictments:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5187570
thread title (10/27): LA Times: "White House Plans to Deflect" - WH post-indictment game plans

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2196249#2196811
thread title (10/30): Instead of setting agenda, Bush and GOP lawmakers are changing the subject
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:45 AM
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27. TOTAL BARF!! The article ends with saying it's not his fault after all!

Besides, this is not all his fault. Like other presidents, Bush is captive to events that are out of his control.

When terrorists strike in Iraq, Bush pays a price. When globalization squeezes middle-class Americans, they don't feel the U.S. economic rebound. When a hurricane hits the Gulf Coast, a perfect government response is going to miss some people's needs.


Can you believe it??? ("Yes," you say, "I can.")
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:48 AM
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30. Ron Fournier
Well yes I can. :)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:47 AM
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28. All is well in Bushworld though
To be accountable for mistakes would mean telling the people everything he told them was the right thing to do was actually wrong. That's just going to piss off the few people who are still supporting you. Real conundrum, what do you do when you've implemented every blessed thing you want and have everything the way you want it, and the people revolt. Uhm, admit Republicans really are the fuck the people party???
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:51 AM
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35. No, you invade another country, and then declare martial law
in this country.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:47 AM
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29. Play a game: how many of BUsh's OWN official 1/20/01 rules of ethics have
they knocked over, and how many have been totally, utterly annihilated?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2199479
thread title (10/31): Bush's OWN Exec Branch "Standards of Ethical Conduct" - any left standing?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:56 AM
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32. Two great TOLES CARTOONS that show Bush losing his way:


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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:04 AM
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36. What complete and utter bullshit
Like this dim bulb ever had "a way". This is a propoganda piece by the AP. It doesn't pass the sniff test.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:15 AM
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37. He never was "a strong and competent leader".
He's been a cocky, swaggering, arrogant dick-head and some people BELIEVED that was being "strong and competent". This vile, little man couldn't lead himself to the damned bathroom without help from Condi Rice (does she hold it for him?). He's the quintessential blowhard; all talk and no action, all hat and no cattle, all form and no substance, a hollow little man with nothing to back up his false swaggering, cowboy bravado.
He will never "step up somehow and be accountable". He has been loathe to do that all his life. Whenever the going got tough, bush ran away from his post. It's been a pattern throughout his entire life and I see no indication that he'll change that pattern now.
This petulant, spoiled frat boy would rather drag this country down to hell with him rather than admit to a mistake.
I will not rest until this man is removed from the presidency.
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:45 AM
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41. Exactly
This piece commits the same basic mistake of almost every single MSM article about B* so far written: assuming that he actually HAS the basic competence, skill set, personal integrity, and moral compass of a great leader.

He has none of those. He is a carefully crafted front man for a cabal of thieves. But he's now passed his expiration date, and like that milk in my refrigerator, he's not coming back.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 12:02 PM
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56. Like the milk I just tossed, * is getting
chunky. He's always been 'spoiled...' heheee sorry! :silly:
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 11:16 AM
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49. You got that right!
Nice post. This is one pickle Daddy can't bail him out of. He's slowly realizing he's in way over his head and there's nothing he can do about it. The eyes of the world are on him and he's blowing it - and he knows it.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:44 AM
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38. We're off to see the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Oz
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:58 AM
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39. It would save Bush all that nasty effort to just have a nice national emer
emergency - say new anthrax threat (or at least pretend there is one) - something like that. We have to remember being President is hard work, and we don't want our George to get too tired


:sarcasm:
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:10 AM
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40. This is exactly why now more than ever the Democrats need to...
hang together. By standing together our opponents will have to do likewise if they want to get anything done. That forces them to deal with the few moderates among them and you can't please all the people all the time. So sooner or later they will be at odds with each other.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:07 AM
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42. What makes anybody think Bush will
somehow develop a conscience now, when he hasn't had one his whole life?
He's known to pooh-pooh introspection, self-analysis, any kind of therapy; refused to acknowledge his alcoholism and get treatment;
why would he suddenly do an about-face, grow up, and take responsibility for his actions?

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:07 AM
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43. W's credibility and image as a strong and competent leader is mythical,
as much a lie as the lies orchestrated for pre-emptive war.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:35 AM
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44. He never really found a way in the first place never mind losing
Bush was not elected in 2000
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:25 AM
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48. and he stole 2004 too
and the theft was in a much larger scale.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 10:50 AM
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63. I think this can be added to list of crimes
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:40 AM
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45. Key phrase: "Bush built an image" and the definition of image is....
image |?imij| noun a representation of the external form of a person or thing in sculpture, painting, etc. See note at emblem . • a visible impression obtained by a camera, telescope, microscope, or other device, or displayed on a video screen. • an optical appearance or counterpart produced by light or other radiation from an object reflected in a mirror or refracted through a lens. • Mathematics a point or set formed by mapping from another point or set. • a mental representation or idea : he had an image of Uncle Walter throwing his crutches away. • a simile or metaphor : he uses the image of a hole to describe emotional emptiness. • the general impression that a person, organization, or product presents to the public : she strives to project an image of youth. • a person or thing that closely resembles another : he's the image of his father. • semblance or likeness : we are made in the image of God. • (in biblical use) an idol.

And we all know... an image is NOT REAL.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:23 AM
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47. Bush hasn't "lost his way"....
...he's very comfortable and directed. He's always been on the wrong track--taking our country to war based on lies, surrounding himself with criminals and thugs, bankrupting this country, making torture an American past time, destroying our nation's credibility on a global scale, trying to dismantle Social Security, siding with corporations over the American people.

"Lost his way", my ass.

He's been consistently traveling down a very sick, dangerous, deplorable path. His "path" hasn't changed. The American people have changed. They're beginning to see what a thug he is.

When you practice fascism---while peppering your speeches with Bible quotes--it takes a while, but the America people wake up sooner or later.

"Lost his way"....oh shut the fuck up.

Rove sent someone to a reporter---with these quotes that attempt to position Bush as a woe-is-me victim. The poor, little lamb. He's just lost his way. What a helpless little hayseed he is---all innocent and sad. BULLSHIT!!!!!!

This is the ploy of an abuser. They mess with you, abuse you and continue on with their sick ways--until the victim begins to fight back. Then, to control the victim--the abuser plays "wounded duck." Ask any child who has been abused or any woman who has experienced spousal abuse. It's the oldest trick in the abuser playbook. They feign weakness, in order to make people feel sorry for them, "Oh....look at the poor little fella. He's hurting. Maybe I was wrong about him". Then, they let him back in and the beatings begin about 5 seconds later.

Do not fall for this shit. It's a big steamy pile. They've done this before.



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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 11:19 AM
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50. they are to f*in afraid to say it. bush will never be accountable
never has in a lifetime. has always had everything and has always been a failure. it is who bush is.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 11:19 AM
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51. the petulant 5-year old drug addled would-be royalty bushturd
is supposed to take more responsibility?

Yeah, right.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 11:28 AM
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53. "extreme measures need to be taken" wanna guess what those will be?
also more dead giveaway as pure unadulterated bullshit this phrase: "they believe the president can find his way back into people's hearts" I just puked in my mouth as I was adding this. Jeezus god, what whores these writers are.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 12:01 PM
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55. puhLEASE!
Good, I'm glad he's

> lost his way

I'd hate to see what terrors the bastard would wreak otherwise.

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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 12:03 PM
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57. Lost his way??
:wtf: This nitwit never had the brains to organize a two-car funeral on a one-way street. He never had any idea where he was going. Chimpy was never anything more than the face on the can. PNAC canned the soup.
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LiberalEZ Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:31 PM
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60. I love him!
I love Harry! He is my new hero.

"I hate them so much"
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:21 PM
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61. W has never had to be accountable for anything in his life. eom
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:39 PM
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62. Was this before or after he told Snotty to blame Clinton?
:shrug:

* is the sorriest excuse for a man I've ever run across.
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