Oh I love Ron Reagan....

[sepia_steel]

anyone else watching MSNBC?

He's totally debunking the bullshit re:was faulty intelligence REALLY investigated (as this Rethug asshole is claiming)

Same bullshit response about 'Dems saw the exact same intelligence'...

YEAH. THE SAME FAKE INTELLIGENCE.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Dems saw the same intelligence

and decided it wasn't serious enough to go to war about.

[sepia_steel]

2. And this frigid biatch can't help herself, either.

Blah blah blah same points over and over.

[Metta]

3. Yeah, he's sometimes a beacon in the night over at M$NBC.

And he knows his dogs.

[carolinalady]

4. It needs to be said over and over--Yes the Dems saw the

intelligence, HOWEVER, they were not privy to the truth behind the intelligence like the WH was. When the WH authorized the release of said "intelligence" they led everyone to believe it consisted of true and undisbutable facts.

[bee]

5. I love Ron too. Maybe HE should run for POTUS.

no experience... but hey.. America loves the sons of Presidents. If * wasnt a *, theres no way he'd be POTUS right now.

[NYCGirl]

18. He doesn't want to run for office.

His father entered politics at a relatively late stage in his life, after careers as a sports broadcaster, actor and General Electric pitchman. Has Reagan ever considered running for office? No, he insists, "I have no political ambitions. For one thing, I'm not interested in raising all that money. It's just not the life I want to lead. When is the last time you heard a politician speak his mind? McCain? Yes, he came close. But I once asked him at a Creative Coalition meeting, 'You talk passionately about this nexus of money and influence that is corrupting our democracy. Why don't you name names?' His response was a demurral.

"I have no problem with public service. And yes, better people should be running for office. But personally I just can't see myself doing it, to live in Washington D.C., the whole package. I was immersed in that my whole life. I saw politicians up close and there were so many who just repulsed me."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/04/14/ron_reagan/

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. Why does the right-wing always say the Democrats voted...

when, in fact, there were 27 (IIRC) Senators that voted "NO". Now, I don't recall the exact numbers on seats, but if at maximum there were 49 Democrats then 55% of Democrats would have voted no.

So, a majority of Senate Democrats voted against the war in Iraq!!!

Edit: There were 23 Senators that voted no. Of those, one was Chafee (listed as R) and Jeffords (listed as I). I can seem to find the breakdown of 107th congress for an accurate percentage of Democrats that voted no.

[gratuitous]

11. Not to mention

The hysteria that was sweeping through the media, where anyone who questioned the war rationale was "soft on terrorism" or a "traitor" or some "dewy-eyed elitist pollyanna" or in one fashion or another just too weak-kneed to be a real American. I remember being called "naive" at best and a "scum-sucking traitor" at worst simply because I didn't see any real reason for projecting American military power into Iraq.

Whatever "evidence" there was for the invading Iraq was surely something that should have been minutely examined, and the rationale for going to war should have been exhaustively debated. But the Bush administration wasn't going to settle for anything but a fast war and so they went about building consensus in a half-fast way; as long as they had their base behind them, nothing was going to stop the invasion.

Now that it has all turned out to be a big, fat lie, propagated and endorsed by the major media outlets, they're now turning tail and cravenly trying to put the folks they previously bullied on the hot seat with them. But this hare-brained invasion scheme wasn't a Democratic program. No, it was cooked up, lied through, and shoved down the throats of a reluctant populace by an evil cabal, aided and abetted by the mainstream media, which was only too happy to assist the corrupt Bush administration if it meant glorious pictures of shock and awe broadcast for their greater profitability.

Now, the bodies have piled up to an uncomfortable number, and the authors of this disaster are all trying to squirm out from under it.

[Norquist Nemesis]

12. The fact they accused nay-sayers of being traitors has been

completely forgotten. Whenever the media partners with the publicons for sound bytes to charge "they voted for the war", they certainly aren't trying to give them a badge of patriotism now!

[Greeby]

17. Here they are

I seem to spend my life posting these two links :P

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml <------- 126 Dem nays there

[Tamarin]

7. Faulty/Fake intelligence is only part of the equation,

what Reid wants investigated is how the intelligence was used by Bushco. Roberts does not want to examine how the intelligence was used. We need an investigation into how the war was sold to the Congress and to the public. They can stop with the *same intelligence* nonsense. The real issue is what was done with the intelligence.

[Wordie]

9. ...and where the faulty intelligence came from in the first place

That needs to be investigated too. Was it created by people either in or closely tied to the Bush White House? There are reports that it was. Try this:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/006904.php
(November 01, 2005 -- 01:45 PM EDT)
<snip>
The name of Stephen J. Hadley (first term Deputy National Security Advisor and now National Security Advisor) has come up again and again in the Niger-uranium story.

In early 2002 Hadley was tasked with shutting down the unauthorized meetings Harold Rhode, Larry Franklin and Michael Ledeen were holding with Iraqi and Iranian exiles, and Italian intelligence figures including the head of SISMI, Nicolo Pollari, in Rome in late 2001.

On September 9th, 2002, Hadley met with Pollari in Washington. According to the Italian daily La Repubblica Pollari was there to press the details of the Niger-uranium story. The NSC has now confirmed that the meeting took place but claims it was a brief meeting and that no one present remembers the yellowcake story coming up.

In other words, it's a quite hazy denial if it's even a denial at all.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. I love Ron too

:loveya: He really knows how to handle everything on the media and you can tell he's comfortable and stuff. Ron is great!!

[catmother]

13. yes. ron is great. he's smart and he stays calm. n/t

[spanone]

10. THE INTELLIGENCE WAS WRONG!!!

This talking point that they all saw the same intelligence is moot if the intel was wrong! Why was it wrong? Why did the Administration cherry pick for their war? Why was Congress sold a bad bill of goods?

[DearAbby]

14. THE INTELLIGENCE WAS A LIE!

It perfectly fine for our Government to lie to the people. Sell the war like a multi billion dollar company selling their wares? This administration had invented the reasons for war, then sold those invented reasons to Congress and the American People.

[dennis4868]

16. they did not all see the same intelligence....

after the war began the WH released the full intelligence report that included all the dissenting opinions and qualifiers.....

[No Exit]

15. You must've watched Ron when he had (ugh) Joel Mowbray on.

After I'd heard that little pud Joel Mowbray trotting out the same excuses about "weapons of mass destruction"--the same stuff that has been DEBUNKED over and over, mind you--I e-mailed little Mr. Mowbray and asked him to explain why HE, a young looking man, is not over in Iraq right now in the armed forces, spreading freedom and democracy.

I pointed out to Joel that, given the volume of screeching that came from his vocal chords, he MUST be quite strong and should therefore enlist immediately.