Has there been any debunking of that hit-piece book on "Liberal Hypocrisy"

[Rosco T.]

it's being spread faster than warm runny shite and if there is any ammo to fire back, it would be nice to have..

[Realityhack]

1. Sorry never heard of it.

If there are particular arguments you might post the generals. The chances of me reading something like that just to argue against it are less than zero.

BTW. Hypocracy is easy to find (both real and immagined) on both sides of the isle. IMO you may have a tough time because the reality is very complex... and you are not likely to be debating with people who understand complexity.

[abluelady]

2. I Bet to Differ With You

I think you may find lies on both sides of the aisle, but it seems to me the hypocricy is owned by the other side.

[HeeBGBz]

4. The one that says Michael Moore owns stock in Halliburton

After saying he doesn't own any stock at all.

I'm needing to battle this on another board, as well.

[dime.end]

3. I didn't read it either. but here is part of a review...

But there is a rational explanation for the apparent hypocrisy of Al Franken. In order to understand it, you have to listen to Al Franken’s “nuanced” explanation of the difference between “unfair mean” and “fair mean” jokes. Here’s an example of a “fair mean” joke made by Franken himself:


“I just don’t like homosexuals. If you ask me, they’re all homosexuals in the Pudding. Hey, I was glad when that Pudding homosexual got killed in Philadelphia.”

For those who don’t get this “fair mean” joke, Franken is attacking Harvard’s Hasty Pudding Club, which is a humorous dramatic society – one that never invited Franken to join while he was at Harvard. So, naturally, when you are snubbed by an organization, it is “fair” to rejoice when one of its members is murdered. This is especially true if the person murdered is gay and the person snubbed is liberal.


It would be nice to get this "de-SwiftBoated" as soon as possible

[nuxvomica]

5. There's some good debunking at this blog:

http://sbrady2.blogspot.com/

The November 5, 2005, entry debunks the Michael Moore Halliburton stock ownership issue and contains a link to a debunking of the Franken Hasty Pudding comments.

[dime.end]

6. thanks for the link

[Nederland]

7. Not sure how good a debunking this is

Rich people shift their asserts into corporations for tax reasons all the time. To argue that it isn't "Michael Moore" that owns the stock, it's his "corporation" that owns the stock, is a rather weak argument. He is the sole owner of the coroporation and controls all of its assets. If it isn't his stock, whose is it?

[Luminous Animal]

9. It is a tax exempt charitable foundation (n/t)

[Nederland]

10. No it's not

http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=382415253&yr=200112&rt=990PF&t9=B

In fact, it's explicitly a non-exempt charitable trust.

[Luminous Animal]

11. Don't let the title of the form confuse you.

If you look at the pdf of the form you will notice under item H Type of organization, the box checked states, "Section 501 (c) 3 exempt private foundation. As per Form 990 PF instructions:

TextCheck the box for “Section 501(c)(3)
exempt private foundation” if the foundation has a ruling or determination letter from the IRS in effect that recognizes its exemption from Federal income tax as an organization described in section 501(c)(3) or if the organization’s exemption application is pending with the IRS.

Link to Instructions for form 990-PF

[erpowers]

8. Maybe Here's One

I am not a scholar, but I think there is a good way to debunk this Micheal Moore stuff. I contend so what is good enough. Micheal Moore has come out against the practices of certain corporations and come out against certain corporations getting no bid contracts. Moore has never to my knowledge come out against people owning stock in these companies. Therefore, I contend Moore owning stock in companies, whether it is Moore himself or his company, is not hypocritical. In addition, if Republicans want to say that Moore is hypocritical then they have to say that Lou Dobbs is hypocritical. Lou Dobbs wrote a book in which he bashed corporations like Wal-Mart for moving their jobs oversees. However, Dobbs continued to encourage his followers to buy stock in these same companies. Dobbs had no problem telling people to buy stock in companies that he had just bashed in his book. I believe Dobbs has stock in some of these same companies also.