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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:25 AM
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W.H. aides "at fault for assuming Bush was personally unassailable"


As Congress fled the capital for Thanksgiving, and Bush made his way back from a trip to Asia, White House aides were studying the political videotapes to see where they had lost control of events. Among those at fault, they decided, was GOP Sen. Bill Frist, outmaneuvered early this month by the Democrats' Harry Reid, who used a parliamentary trick to force the Senate into a secret session and demand answers on WMD issues. But White House aides concede that they, too, were at fault for having assumed that Bush was personally unassailable and that events—and explanations of them—would take care of themselves. A war-room defense was "something we did well during the campaign," said Nicolle Wallace, Bush's communications director. "Maybe incorrectly, we had hoped or presumed that wouldn't be necessary after the election."

It is. The war room now is back, staffed with many of the same people who ran it in 2004, led by the Boy Genius himself, Karl Rove. To answer the charges that Bush "deliberately misled" the country on WMD, the White House is arguing that most Democrats—and most U.N. officials and European intelligence agencies—thought Saddam had WMD, too. Bush aides argue that Democrats saw the same intel and came to the same conclusions Bush did (an assertion Democrats hotly dispute). "We recognized that we can't communicate our message effectively until we deal with this," said a top White House aide.

But it's unclear how calling Democrats hypocrites will help revive Bush's personal reputation. Rather than undermine Bush's foes, the strategy seems unlikely to do more than remind voters of the undeniable fact that the WMD simply weren't there. And to make their case at all, White House strategists have been forced to use a tactic they studiously avoided in the campaign: deploying Bush himself as the attack dog. "Having the president engaged in the argument is not the first choice," says Sen. John Cornyn, a Texan who is close to Bush and Rove. But the president pressed ahead. "While it is perfectly legitimate to criticize my decisions or the conduct of the war," he told a military audience in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., last week, "it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." Then he resorted once again to the argument all presidents unload in wartime: that criticism undermines morale and emboldens our enemies. "These baseless attacks," he declared, "send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy determined to destroy our way of life." But even using that weapon can be risky at a time when polls show most Americans doubt that the war in Iraq has made us safer.

War-room spinners also hope to highlight whatever good news there is to be found in Iraq, and which, they say, doesn't make its way into the American media. They recently dispatched one of their best operatives, Steve Schmidt (no relation to the Ohio congresswoman), to Baghdad to look for ways generate positive press. His answer: build better relations with the reporters. But they may be preoccupied these days by the need to dodge terrorist attacks on their hotels.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10118733/site/newsweek/page/2/
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:30 AM
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1. wow, sounds like the reporters are for sale...who knew? eom
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:39 AM
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2. It seems that the running of this country and specially the Iraq War...
is all about PR and what the press reports. It is an outrage that we have to have war-room spinners giving the American people the run around. I want this country to be run by competent people who do what is right, not what THEY think is right. This country must change if it is to survive.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 11:08 AM
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4. Yeah--they could save money and effort if they just told the TRUTH.
Aw, but then Georgie wouldn't get to play president any more.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 12:40 PM
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11. They're not doing what they think is right. They don't give a $%^&
about that. They are doing what will line the pockets of big oil, big pharmaceutical, big corporations in general, and in return line their own pockets. Everything and anything they do is to achieve one end: transfer more and more wealth to the top one or 2 percent corporate management tier in this country.
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Midnight Rambler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:43 AM
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3. "No relation to the Ohio congresswoman"
You know, Schmidt is a fairly common name. Maybe not like a Johnson or Smith, but not nearly as distinctive as Cheney or Rumsfeld. I've hardly heard of anyone with those two names before, and if I did, I didn't recognize it, but I've heard of plenty of Schmidts. That a news article would go out of their way to point out that someone named Schmidt is unrelated to the Wicked Witch of Ohio shows the negative effect that she's had.

As for the rest of the article, even the MSM is cluing into the fact that this Administration is up shit creek without a paddle. At the rate he's going, Bush won't need to be impeached to leave office in disgrace. Though it would be nice, and the absolute best thing this country could do for the world.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 11:09 AM
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5. I am so sick of people calling that flabby, middle-aged criminal
the "boy genius".
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 11:30 AM
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7. then you'll like this more accurate portrayal of Rove ...
Edited on Sun Nov-20-05 11:31 AM by Neil Lisst
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 11:55 AM
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9. Hahahahaha!! There's the real Karl!
Cue "Deliverance" music...
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:00 PM
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15. I agree. I think "the boy psychopath" fits him much better
don't you?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 11:18 AM
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6. Telling points from the article
First, the idea that "Bush is personally unassailable" is, once again, blamed on underlings. No indication that Bush himself is in any way at fault, even for the idea that he's never to be personally at fault. Mind-boggling.

But it wouldn't be a true MSRNC news story without "insider" gossip about strategizing. Reading the story, there's nothing about the GOP foisting bad ideas on the public, only that it's a spin problem. If the RNC just presents their terrific ideas in the right way, why, everything will be just as right as rain again!

Also, note how the fact that Bush himself is reduced to having to defend himself is presented as a positive: It's not the strategists' first choice, but Bush is portrayed as pressing ahead, Mr. Forthright and Honest himself.

These "journalists" are so isolated in their own bubble they don't have the foggiest notion about what's going on outside of Washington spin games.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 11:38 AM
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8. Boy Genius
Boy Genius in regard to Rove is pure unadulterated BS.

He's the one mostly responsible for the stupid statements coming out of the White House. Most people don't really believe that the President sees nothing more than the Senate and House in regard to intelligence. To continue to spout that as an excuse for invading another country just confirms that they are liars and manipulators.
Cherry picking is too nice a term.

Rove is up to his neck in the crap that has become this administration's legacy. He's the one who plans the smears rather than planning debates. Of course if Bush had any morals at all, he wouldn't have a slithering puffy thinking up ways to subvert the truth.

They have subverted the truth on nearly every subject. They've endangered members of the CIA. They twisted, blew up, distorted, and/or changed the truth into half truths and outright lies on the Iraq invasion, on the Patriot Act, on elections, on SS, on Medicare Prescription plan, on the environment, on any program they advocated or introduced. They betrayed the American people who expect their president and his administration to be honest with them. They have betrayed the troops who stand for our country.

And their gang in the Senate and House embraced their immoral plans and disregarded the good of the country.

The American people can be faulted for not paying close attention and for letting this bunch of cunning power hungry people get away with the terrible damage they've done to this country.

Oh yeah, I'm mad as hell.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 12:55 PM
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13. And the more they bring it up, the worse it'll get
I hope they keep on attacking; they're such tone-deaf, one-note assholes that they just don't get that intimidation and lies don't always work. Many of these issues had been more or less put to bed, thanks to the dedicated fellatio of the press, and bringing them up now just gives us a few more chances to debunk them.

The simpleness of an idea is what tends to take root in modern media politics like these, and the ideas at hand here are boneheadedly simple for most people to grasp: they distorted intel to sucker Congress to give them permission, they retaliated against a whistle blower to quash any dissent, they played political chicken by forcing a vote right before elections and they never had any intention other than to invade and conquer. These are easy points to grasp, and most people kinda sorta suspected as much anyway.

Add to this that the forthright and dynamic hero has been shown to be indecisive, blame-filled and poll-driven, and the damage is done. Junior's great character was the real secret weapon of this mob, and Katrina--all by itself--showed him as a clay-footed, bumbling nobody.

Look at all the spinning, photo-opping and grandstanding they did about Katrina. They were colossal losers in the public's eye, and the more they tried to blame others or make excuses, the worse it got. I think they'd be thrashing in that quicksand today if other disasters hadn't stolen the focus.

Let's watch them twist and dodge; they're only making it worse.

What they really don't get is that people are only SO stupid.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 12:25 PM
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10. Yes- good catch. Another favor to the admin-
"But it's unclear how calling Democrats hypocrites..."

No rebuttal or questioning of the assignation. Water carriers.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 12:53 PM
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12. Bring 'em on
I love the smell of desperation in the morning.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:53 PM
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14. I love the dunderheaded myopia that accompanies hubris
just love it
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:06 PM
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16. One Word..
"KATRINA"..you Bumbling Assholes.

Your boy Blew It..and it ain't ever comin' back.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:32 PM
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17. New synonynm
Katrina = incompetence.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:30 PM
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18. two words: Deliberately Misled
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:55 PM
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19. Even when they "admit fault," it is a backhand slap to our side. They
only fault themselves for thinking * was unassailable.

The noive!!! Democrats telling the truth.

:rofl:
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