If Hadley was Woodward's source, doesn't that implicate Rice?

[wakemewhenitsover]

...since he worked for her at the time?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1880016,00.html

[Wetzelbill]

1. most likely

the whole Plame stuff was a severe indictment on her, as her office admitted to letting the 16 words into the speech. It is doubtful Hadley would have been talking to Woodward just on his own accord. So the logical next step is to find out if he did so at his boss's behest. It's all speculation right now, but it could conceivably involve her.

[Benhurst]

4. She can always claim incompetence. She's been incompetent

in every job she's held under Shrub.

[Wetzelbill]

5. nothing beats having a shitty track record to fall back on

for a defense. :)

[win_in_06]

12. So why is she on the short list for repug Presidential Candidates?

and polling well?

[Benhurst]

15. She's on the short list because her incompetency is a good

fit for the party of Shrub and the Gipper.

She polls well because many right-wingers, who would never vote for an African American -- to say nothing of an African-American WOMAN, won't say so to a pollster.

At this stage of the game, presidential polls are little more than name-recognition polls.

[win_in_06]

17. I don't know why people assume right-wingers don't like blacks

Clarence Thomas, Condi and Janice Rogers Brown are like rock stars to repugs.

[Benhurst]

19. Yeah, they are wildly popular in right-wing circles in

the South, the base of the Republican party.

When Dixiecrats threw off their sheets and became Republicans, they completely changed their attitudes about race.

:sarcasm:

[win_in_06]

20. I haven't heard any repugs accuse her of being incompetent.

Only dems. I have serious ideological differences with her I but don't agree she's incompetent.

[Benhurst]

23. Yeah. And you won't find all that many Republicans accusing

George W. Bush of being incompetent either, since they make up the thirty or so percent who still support him and his corrupt, incompetent administration.


"I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." – National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 5/16/02

This despite the fact that earlier in the year at the Genoa Summit anti-aircraft missiles had been used as protection against such a possibility.

See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html


Yeah, who could possibly think she is incompetent?

More: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=40520

[wakemewhenitsover]

25. Wow. I didn't even know about the Genoa Summit hypocrisy.

[Duer 157099]

2. Agree. Strange how her name is suspiciously absent from this debate

Isn't it? Seems everyone else has already been named.

[wakemewhenitsover]

3. Condi's teflon. No matter how hypocritical or incompetent...

...she's handled with kid gloves. Reverse racism?

[murielm99]

6. I would not use that term. IMHO,

if we criticize her, they will say we are playing the race card. If cartoonists caricature her, people yell racism or anti-feminism. They put her there for a reason, just like they did with Cheney. Who would want to impeach *, unless they got rid of Cheney first?

They are evil bastards, but not stupid.

[wakemewhenitsover]

10. Let's not play into their hands by witholding deserved criticism.

[MellowOne]

16. Not only the race card but she's female. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

14. Condi's clit may be made of teflon

but her ass is on the line if she lied to Fitzgerald.

[jenmito]

7. I heard it may be Armitage.

He hasn't denied it. That wouldn't be good for us. It would kind of disprove conspiracy.

[peacetalksforall]

8. Absolutely! He is second level. Who would give second level

people authority to pull this off on their own, especially when we know the employees of several WHIG principals were all involved.

WHIG

1st level:

George.
Dick.
Condi.

2nd level:

Matalin
Libby
Hadley
Rove
Hughes
Wilkinson
Calio
Hadley

[applegrove]

9. Apparently someone (perhaps Wilson) called her to say he was

going to publish a story. She said "go ahead". Lots of people in Powell's or the anti-cabal camp have said "she is in over her head and no match for them". At least in the run-up to war.

[0007]

11. I'd think so!

[IndianaGreen]

13. The entire White House Iraq Group was in it!

They all told their media contacts that they have heard from a reporter that Wilson's wife was CIA.

[radio4progressives]

18. Bingo... n/t

[BrewerJohn]

21. Well, the denial has been issued

My local newspaper ran a story today saying Rice was not involved, per her "senior adviser" Jim Wilkinson. This is a paper that doesn't usually have much space for national stories, in general.

Make of that what you will.

Here's the LBN link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1935856&mesg_id=1935856

[sofa king]

22. She may have met with Hadley and Pollari

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002952.html

Berlusconi's office says the September 9, 2002 meeting that Sismi director Nicolo Pollari attended at the White House was actually principally with then national security advisor Condoleezza Rice, and that Stephen Hadley just attended as her deputy. Which is pretty close to what the Berlusconi-friendly Il Foglio reported yesterday, saying that a delegation of other Sismi officials was also in attendance.

The details of all this are still up in the air, but if it holds water, Rice will be in a lot of trouble. Why? Because that meeting was on September 9, 2002. The forged documents to back up the false reports were offered to the U.S. embassy in Rome the following month, but by then it appears that the White House already had them, bypassing the CIA.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10506

The obvious conclusion to draw from this is that the White House arranged for the delivery of the documents in that September 9, 2002 meeting. If Condi was at that meeting, well, that pretty much ties her up to the delivery of the forged documents, doesn't it?

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. Condoleezza Rice at the Center of the Plame Scandal - 07/27/05

"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." It was September 2002, and then-National Security Advisor, now-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was fastening on CNN perhaps the most memorable and frightening single link in the Bush regime’s chain of lies propagandizing the war on Iraq. Behind her carefully planted one-liner with its grim imagery was the whole larger hoax about Saddam Hussein possessing or about to acquire weapons of mass destruction, a deception as blatant and inflammatory as claims of the Iraqi dictator’s ties to Al Qaeda.

Rice’s demagogic scare tactic was also very much part of the tangled history of alleged Iraqi purchases of uranium from Niger, the fabrication leading to ex-Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s now famous exposé of the fraud, the administration’s immediate retaliatory “outing” of Wilson’s wife Valerie Plame as a CIA operative, and now the revelation that the President’s supreme political strategist Karl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff Lewis Libby were involved in that potentially criminal leak—altogether the most serious political crisis Bush has faced. In fact, though her pivotal role has been missed entirely—or deliberately ignored—in both the media feeding frenzy and the rising political clamor, now-Secretary of State Rice was also deeply embroiled in the Niger uranium-Plame scandal, arguably as much as or more so than either Rove or Libby.

For those who know the invariably central role of the NSC Advisor in sensitive political subjects in foreign policy and in White House leaks to the media as well as tending of policy, especially in George W. Bush’s rigidly disciplined, relentlessly political regime, Rice by both commission and omission was integral in perpetrating the original fraud of Niger, and then inevitably in the vengeful betrayal of Plame’s identity. None of that spilling of secrets for crass political retribution could have gone on without her knowledge and approval, and thus complicity. Little of it could have happened without her participation, if not as a leaker herself, at least with her direction and with her scripting.


http://www.egp360.net/midnightride/morris_2005_07_24.shtml