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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 09:50 PM
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California invites Black Box Voting to hack Diebold machines
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BLACK BOX VOTING INVITED TO HACK DIEBOLD VOTING MACHINES

Nov 23, 2005: The California Secretary of State has invited Black
Box Voting to hack away at some Diebold voting systems. The testing
is set for Nov. 30, 2005.

Diebold Election Systems has been trying to re-certify its “TSx” touch-
screen machines in California. Diebold has added stronger passwords
and encryption, but even the consultant hired by California to evaluate
the system reported that the voting system remains vulnerable to
alteration of vote results. (More on consultant report and vulnerabilities: http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/14296.html)

This week, officials at the California Secretary of State's office invited
Black Box Voting, a nonprofit, nonpartisan watchdog group for elections,
to try hacking into the Diebold system. A specific testing protocol was
provided by Diebold and the California Secretary of State’s office.

Though the opportunity was welcomed by Black Box Voting, negotiations
remain on the procedures. Black Box Voting contends that the proposed
testing violates California Election Code §19202, which governs the
request for voting machine testing formally submitted to the state of
California by Black Box Voting on June 16, 2005. Also, Black Box Voting
identified areas of bias in the proposed procedures, which would violate
normal scientific protocol and cause voters to lack confidence in the results.

At issue is Diebold’s insistence on being involved in setting up the testing
procedures, and Diebold’s provision of hand-picked machines, using new
voting systems not currently in use in California.

LET'S LOOK AT WHAT'S AT STAKE FOR DIEBOLD:

Black Box Voting had formally requested replication of the work by experts
Harri Hursti and Dr. Herbert Thompson. If Diebold does not survive the tests,
the firm may face a nationwide product recall, rivaled in notoriety only by the
exploding gas tank fiasco that afflicted the Ford Pinto. Diebold is dependent
on a particular outcome. Failing this test might cost them their elections business
altogether.

Diebold’s stake in the outcome is compounded by financial problems in the
Diebold ATM division, which produced a restatement of corporate profits and
caused a significant collapse in stock prices.

Though the formal request for replication of Black Box Voting security tests
was made over five months ago, Diebold delayed the test required by §19202
for more than five months. Diebold is now “permitting” the testing only under
conditions Diebold controls, using machines only Diebold provides.

THE PROPOSED PROCEDURES CONTAMINATE THE RESULTS

Black Box Voting has offered to resolve procedural defects in such a
way as to “enhance public confidence” as required by §104 (c) in the
California certification procedures. Instead of voting machines hand-
picked by the vendor which have never been used in elections, Black
Box Voting wants to test a randomly selected voting system used in
the last election -- the machines that elected the California governor
and the president.

Black Box Voting also proposes selecting machines from county
elections offices which have not shown a bias for Diebold, recommending
Alameda County for the evaluation of the touch-screens and Placer,
Modoc, Trinity or Santa Barbara County for evaluation of the optical
scan system. Within these counties, Black Box Voting proposed random
selection of the machine. The five counties suggested by Black Box
Voting are the Diebold customers who did not take part in a pro-Diebold
advertisement copied on back of the official flyer containing the agenda
for the certification hearing. Sec. State’s office’s Bruce McDannold
disavowed the flyer, saying his office had nothing to do with its distribution.

The scientific method attempts to minimize bias by removing the influence
of any party who profits from one outcome or another. In testing, those
who design the system are not supposed to be the same as those who
test the system.

Therefore, Black Box Voting is confident that the California Secretary
of State will comply with these reasonable adjustments.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:03 PM
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1. Even if the test passes, it still doesn't matter
A simple 30 second software change and you're back where you started.

Open source software, verified by two or more outside groups is the only way.

And more strict control by bipartisan state authorities over voting procedures is a must.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 06:02 PM
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24. Open source won't cut it either
Nothing short of paper ballots will solve the problem. I could run your open source software on a machine and my special code at the same time.

My code could then alter the memory locations your program is using as well as alter the contents of the disk entirely independently of the open source software. Even a permanent periodic memory trace of each machine wouldn't be able to prevent fraud.

Paper ballots are the only way to ensure accuracy, recountability and reliability.

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:13 PM
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2. Even if it passes,
the ballot definition files for a given election can be rigged.

Paper Ballots, Hand Counted.

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:26 PM
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3. Please cross link to this on the Election Reform forum. Thanks. nt
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 05:52 AM
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4. Black Box voting should have the login and code like GOP!
eom
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:50 AM
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5. Please recommend and keep kicked. It's very important that everyone
see this--especially those working to oppose the pending certification of Diebold touchscreens in California. The deadline for public comment on the current certification effort is Nov. 30, as I understand it--the same day that this testing is supposed to take place. It seems to me that the deadline should be extended, to provide time for the public to review BBV results and provide further comment.

I'll post this on the current CA Diebold thread.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:46 AM
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6. We must stop them from turning CA red!
This is a very important thread and I bookmarked it last night. Glad to recommend it.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:00 AM
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7. kicking
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:32 AM
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8. Very important that this be on the NEWS!
:kick:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:08 AM
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9. Yes! This needs to get on the air...
Peace.
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sybil Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:11 AM
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10. It's all about public scrutiny at this moment in time.
Kicked!

Letters to your editors CA voters!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:14 AM
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11. BBV successfully took Florida off the questionable results states
in 2004 with their antics. THEY ACCUSED DEMOCRATS OF "STEALING" THEIR LOSS. Therefore, all I wish is for them to disappear.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:41 AM
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12. I second that
Why doesn't California invite some LEGITIMATE voting rights orgs to participate.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:26 PM
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15. Here's the rub:
The organization that would steal an election isn't waiting for an invitation. hint, hint.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:53 PM
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18. The rumor is, they've blackballed CA Election Protection
But this little cabal is invited? I think that has to be looked into.

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:45 AM
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13. They should bring in a big magnet
and hack the crap out of the machine by erasing the hard drive. Easy.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:11 PM
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14. Who's Counting
A wonderful source of information:

Who's counting



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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:45 PM
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16. Kick and thanks for the post Omaha Steve!!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:49 PM
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17. Why is BBV "invited" but not California Election Protection?

Something stinks here. Can anyone answer that one for me?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:55 PM
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19. Ever since it was discovered Bev Harris is a card-carrying Freeper...
...the whole of BBV (her group, not the larger voting rights movement) has stunk of deception and backstabbing.

Considering she's been banned, what, half a dozen times from DU, I'm surprised anything from her website is allowed here at all.

I sure as fuck don't trust her one iota anymore.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 01:53 AM
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25. Well, Bev made sure that CA can't sue Diebold.
McPherson, etc. repugs, want Diebold machines here.
Bev has already done Diebold a favor, and she has shown herself to be easily bought.
... Why would they invite anyone else?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 05:51 AM
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26. True. So, the Thuggery gets their machines and Bev gets
the appearance of respectability from the Thuggery. It's a match.

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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:56 PM
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20. Blah blah
After the Bev Harris debacle, I do not care...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:04 PM
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21. If AFSCME gets involved in election integrity in a big way, WE WIN.
Oh,lord, be still my heart!
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:08 PM
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22. BBV is a shame
Bev Harris is a crook and a liar.

I don't want CA anything like FL and we shouldn't allow them to do the testing. Why can't a consortium of IT security professionals perform the tests.

This doesn't pass the smell test.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 05:57 PM
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23. Shouldn't this belong at Free Republic?
Me thinks you got lost.
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 09:36 AM
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27. Smells like a setup to me.
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