Bush takes Cheney out of the loop on national security

[IChing]

The role of Vice President Dick Cheney as the administration's point man in security policy appears over, according to administration sources.
Over the last two months Mr. Cheney has been granted decreasing access to the Oval Office, the sources said on the condition of anonymity. The two men still meet, but the close staff work between the president and vice president has ended.

"Cheney's influence has waned not only because of bad chemistry, but because the White House no longer formulates policy," another source said.
"There's nothing to input into. Cheney is smart and knowledgeable, but he as well as Bush are ducking all the time to avoid the bullets."

The sources said the indictment and resignation of Lewis "Scooter" Libby marked the final straw in the deterioration of relations between President Bush and Mr. Cheney. They said Bush aides expect that any trial of Mr. Libby, Mr. Cheney's long-time chief of staff, would open a closet of skeletons regarding such issues as Iraq, the CIA and the conduct of White House aides.>>>snip

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Cheney2.htm

Well now the vice president and president are out of the loop

[hippiechick]

1. Aw, shit ... and angry Dick is an evil Dick.

:scared: All bets are off now.

[leftstreet]

2. !!

:nuke:

[IChing]

5. This is the look he gave jr. at the last meeting

[Skittles]

39. the same look he gives when he takes a crap

yes INDEED

[spindrifter]

3. So who is

calling the shots at the WH? Dimson is just not up to that, plus, it's not his style to be the detail-policy wonk. Also what is this that the WH is not making policy now? Does that mean a shift over to Condi?

[Blasphemer]

6. Gotta be Condi and Hughes

If we believe the story that they are the only two Admin officials that he talks to every day, then they are running the show.

[thefloyd]

13. Condi took control

Implemented new policy. Wish I could recall where I heard or read about that.

[spindrifter]

19. Sorry, folks, but

K*ren H*ghes may be able to give advice, but she doesn't have the brains to make policy, IMNSHO. We all cringed when she visited Muslims Around the World and spoke on such Amurica-centric it was an embarrassment of major proportions.

[madrchsod]

21. yes --one wipes his face,

the other wipes his ass and laura tucks him into bed.

[0007]

11. Does it indeed matter anymore who's in charge?

I owe my soul to the company store and everyone knows it!

[IChing]

15. Jr's mother, his auntie and his bathroom monitor according to reports

The sources said Mr. Bush maintains daily contact with only four people: first lady Laura Bush, his mother, Barbara Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes. The sources also say that Mr. Bush has stopped talking with his father, except on family occasions.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/15/195622/83

[Benhurst]

4. A strange sentence at the conclusion of the article:

"Mr. Bush is not expected to replace Mr. Cheney unless the vice president follows the fate of his former chief of staff."

Constitutionally, for whatever that's worth in these days of the so-called "Patriot" Act, Bush has no power to replace Cheney even if he is indicted. Cheney has to either die, resign or be impeached and convicted in order to be removed from office. God, Cheney and Congress hold all the cards in the matter of his removal from office.

[rzemanfl]

7. If there were a God, he/she/it would have smote that mother-

fucker a long time ago.

[lovuian]

20. thats a interesting point... Bush can't remove him!!!

or revoke his security clearance hmmm I think Bush can do that!!!

[IChing]

23. That sounds like there is more to this than what the story says

Like they know it might be coming down.

[Missy Vixen]

34. Here it comes

>"Mr. Bush is not expected to replace Mr. Cheney unless the vice president follows the fate of his former chief of staff."<

Oh, this is good.

Julie

[IChing]

35. That was a very curious line considering the source of the article

this line was also revealing:


"They said Bush aides expect that any trial of Mr. Libby, Mr. Cheney's long-time chief of staff, would open a closet of skeletons regarding such issues as Iraq, the CIA and the conduct of White House aides"

So, is that saying that they know they might all go down?

We can hope so.

[madmark]

8. "but because the White House no longer formulates policy,"

If the White House no longer formulates policy, who is?

[olddad56]

9. I don't know but I'll bet his name starts with Karl Rove.

[BrklynLiberal]

14. Nah. It's either Mommy Babs, Laura, Condi, or Karen nowadays.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Barrett808]

10. The Vulcans/Heritage Foundation/AEI axis

With NR and the Weekly Standard to cheerlead.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

32. The same people who have been doing it for 200 years.

Big Bidness.

[Dr.Phool]

12. Shrubbie better watch out

Cheney fired Paul O'Neill for less.

[pansypoo53219]

22. took out plame and wilson

can HE take out georgie?

[dw]

16. Security policy?

What security policy?

[lovuian]

17. Bush and Cheney have been on the outs for quite awhile!!!

Charles and Camilla came in town and Cheney wasn't invited

In your face Cheney!!!

So Cheney is floating by on his own...Bush has to save himself
this could be the Andrew Card plane smoking... Maybe there is
a little fighting!!!

[Up2Late]

18. This is BS! This is from another "Moonie" publication from...

...News World Communications.

According to Source Watch .org: <http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=News_World_Communications>

News World Communications is, according to a note on the UPI website, "a global media company publishing newspapers and magazines in more than 20 countries and in four languages, acquired United Press International in May 2000."

"The Company's flagship newspaper, the Washington Times, was founded in 1982 and has gained a reputation for hard-hitting investigative reporting :eyes: and thorough coverage of politics and policy. News World also publishes Insight, The World & I, and Washington Golf Monthly magazines. Tiempos del Mundo is a Spanish-language newspaper published in 18 cities throughout the Americas. The Middle East Times, Segye Times and Sekai Nippo are newspapers published in the Middle East, Korea and Japan respectively", the UPI media release stated.

According to an article by Alan Freedman in the Columbia Journalism Review each member of the board "is a member of Moon's Unification Church".

News World announced on April 16, 2004 that they would stop printing Insight on the News, The World & I, and the New York City edition of Noticias del Mundo. This would result in firing 86 people (of a total of 1,200 employees worldwide): all 31 people working at The World & I with 10,000 subscribers, 17 of the 22 employees at the biweekly Insight on the News with 30,000 subscribers, and 38 people working for Noticias del Mundo, a Spanish-language newspaper in New York City. A small staff would stay on to maintain the 'Insight' and 'World & I' web sites....

This looks like "Dis-info" to me, anytime I see something that seems too good to be true, it's alway good to check the source.

[IChing]

24. The orginal find was from breaking news of Huffingtonpost--breaking news

you make a valid point but I still think it is news

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

[leveymg]

26. No, that links back to the Insight article.

Which, by the way, carries no by-line.

Not saying the story is necessarily wrong, but . . . don't you think that SOMEONE with a name at a regular newspaper would have confirmed by now a total breakdown in command and communications between Dubya and Dick's offices?

I'd take this one with enough salt to make the Southern Fry Cook Lady's head explode. Then, add some more salt and add some more cheese.

[Cha]

25. So who's the fucking

president(sic)???!!!

[leveymg]

27. Pickles, advised by the little black dog.

[Cha]

28. LOL! I believe it in these

days of snake oil and simian rule.

[SpiralHawk]

38. That little dog looks strangely familiar...

and so does The Fool

hhttp://www.oephebia.com/images/Oephebia's%20tarot%20cards/Fools/Ansata-Fool.jpg

[54anickel]

29. Another article at the same site says Cheney's advocates blame *

It's listed on the home page -

Cheney advocates: Push for war came from the top
Defenders of Vice President Dick Cheney insist that the main driving force behind the decision for the U.S.-led war in Iraq was President Bush.

[aquart]

30. Aww, they're attacking each other.

Damn shame. Damn, damn shame.

[Doctor_J]

31. Jerry Mahoney fires Paul Winchell?

This has to be a joke, right? * can't "take command" of anything deeper than how many kegs to order for the Christmas party. Has he gotten unhappy with his roll as smirking, "likable" dunce?

I bet he'd love to tell the truth for once - "You can't blame me for all this - I just did and said what I was told"

[Missy Vixen]

33. Here we go, kids

Popcorn? :popcorn:
Champagne? :toast:

Fitzmas is almost here!

Julie
president for life of the PFEB

[ngGale]

36. Gives a whole new meaning to the...

West Wing...:popcorn:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

37. Bull fucking shit.

The sources said Mr. Bush has privately blamed Mr. Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for the U.S.-led war in Iraq. They said the president has told his senior aides that the vice president and defense secretary provided misleading assessments on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, as well as the capabilities of the regime of Saddam Hussein.

Honestly, does anybody really believe that Bush was misled into the war by Cheney? Jesus Christ.