Lieberman:"We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril"

[dajoki]

Lieberman's Iraq Stance Brings Widening Split With His Party
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/10/politics/10lieberman.html?th&emc=th

By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ
and WILLIAM YARDLEY
NYT


Published: December 10, 2005

<<snip>>

In the last few days, the senator has riled Democratic activists and politicians here and in his home state with his vigorous defense of President Bush's handling of the Iraq war at a time some Democrats are pressuring the administration to begin a withdrawal.

Joseph I. Lieberman has angered fellow Democrats, in one instance by reminding them that President Bush is commander in chief.
Mr. Lieberman particularly infuriated his colleagues when he pointed out at a conference here that President Bush would be commander in chief for three more years and said that "it's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that." "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril," Mr. Lieberman said.

Much of the open criticism has been from liberal groups and House members. But his comments have also rankled Democrats in the Senate. Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the minority leader, phoned Mr. Lieberman this week to express concerns with his views, Mr. Reid's aide said.

"Senator Reid has a lot of respect for Senator Lieberman," said Jim Manley, a Reid spokesman. "But he feels that Senator Lieberman's position on Iraq is at odds with many Americans."

[raysr]

1. Isreal, Isreal, Isreal.

Fuck you Lieberman, CHANGE parties!

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

13. Not to nitpick, but what are you trying to say?

[MrBenchley]

21. Nothing like a whiff of anti-Semitism in the morning

for the "progressive" cause, of course.

[leesa]

23. Assuming it was an anti-semitic statement. I assume he was commenting

On Joe's pro-Israel-government-all-the-time bias, which has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

27. Nothing like a whiff of anti-Israel bias in the morning, then.

[leesa]

33. It's against the law to criticise Israel, didn't you know?

It's anti-semitic. It's unnatural. It's against God's law., etc., etc.

[mitchum]

25. Nothing like a whiff of bullshit in the morning

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

26. Smells like it to me. n/t

[MrBenchley]

28. Only because these guys are so "progressive"

[Jacobin]

32. since when is being Anti-Israeli Policies

being 'anti-semitic'?

Oh, never mind. I forgot. Israel is religious state, so being against Israel is being anti-semitic.

How conveeeenient.

[kurth]

2. Is this Lieberman lapdog applying for Rumfeld's job or what?

Geeeeeez... This is SOOOO pathetic.

Earth to Lieberman: The Chimp has ZERO credibility, and the whole damn Milky Way knows it.

[dajoki]

4. joementum has...

also lost his credibility, so he may as well join them.

[shenmue]

3. For pete's sake will he just go away!

I hate him! The most useless person in our party in Congress. For the love of Mike! Please switch voting cards and make this easy! :puke:

[norml]

5. No Joe, that should be this President undermines the nations credibility

at his peril.

And by the way Joe, I hope you lose your next primary, you blinded by PNAC monster.

[dajoki]

7. that is more like it...

and i too hope he loses his next primary.

[baldguy]

6. Then these are perilous times.

Since the pResident himself does the most to undermine his credibility.

[C_U_L8R]

8. Hey Joe...

don't threaten us with that "at your peril" crap.
You've proven to be a weak and wishy washy senator and your
"point of view" does not represent the interests of "we the people".
Why don't you go play with your Connecticut pals Jeb and Georgie on I-95.

[ashling]

9. A little late for that line, Joe

Mr. Lieberman particularly infuriated his colleagues when he pointed out at a conference here that President Bush would be commander in chief for three more years and said that "it's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that." "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril," Mr. Lieberman said.

Bush's credibility has nothing whatsoever to do with our distrust of him. In case you haven't been paying attention, Joey, that little turdball undermined his own credibility a long time ago and continues to do it every time he speaks.

credibility

n : the quality of being believable or trustworthy

We Democrats (and I certainly don't include you in that group) could be absolutely silent on the subject and that would not affect the quality of his trustworthiness one iota.

[Technowitch]

10. Didn't know one could undermine something that doesn't exist

I mean, isn't that a requirement for something to be undermined, for there to quality in question actually to exist?

Der Shrubbenfuhrer wouldn't know credibility if it bit him on the ass.

[dajoki]

11. i believe you are correct...

no credibility to start with cannot be undermined.

[zulchzulu]

12. Lieberman's message: Let Bush keep lying over and over again

After all, he is the Pretzeldent...

[izzie]

14. Gee I hope poor old George Washington does not hear about this

In Am. the President is always questioned. It is our form of Govt. and how the people who set it up wanted it. We do not like Kings. Where has this Sen. been? He can think and say what he likes but to question our govt. is what we all wanted and like to do.

[Dr Fate]

15. How do you undermine somthing that does not exist? What credibility?

To paraphrase Rep. Murtha.

[freethought]

16. Credibility!!! What F_____G CREDIBILITY!!!???

The wastrel son's credibility is virtually gone with everyone except his religous conservative nutcase base!

Lieberman is seriously beginning to piss me off! Usually I can deal with slight right-of-center democrats but this is just about the last straw.
Wasn't there a "Dump Joe" campaign on the Internet somewhere?

[fujiyama]

17. I haven't seen many people defending Lieberman

in the last fewe days. Maybe they've realized what a fucktard he is. Or that they were just had...

What a real ass hole. He's basically undercutting whatever message (as weak as it may be), that the party is trying to lay out. He's basically pulling the rug out from under any democrats criticizing the war. He's undermining our credibility, not only as a party, but as a country because as long as the thugs are in power, the nation is in peril.

Go fuck off Joe. You've become especially shrill and pious in the last five years.

[Norwood]

18. When is he gonna just switch parties

He's lost just about whatever respect he had since he decided to schill for the bush administration. This guy zero credibility left with the Democratic party.

[Voltaire99]

19. Proof of the party's paralysis: it's afraid to kick out Lieberman.

When you can't even expel an obvious traitor, you're really on a sinking ship.

Like Zell Miller before him, the repulsive Lieberman understands keenly who he is dealing with: party leaders so beholden to corporate money that they will do anything, endure anything, and run from anything, as long as there's a buck (i.e., a seat) in it for them. And the corporate money loves ol' Joe.

LOL! Such is politics without principle. Any wonder why the public won't vote for us?

[MrBenchley]

20. Wow, the view must be breathtaking that far from reality

I could ask why you think the Democrats didn't "expel" Zell Miller or Lyndon LaRouche.....

But instead I think I'll just settle for this: Please explain the mechanism for formal expulsion within the Democratic party. Go ahead and layt out the steps. I'll wait right here.

[Voltaire99]

31. Step One: You're expelled from the party, Mr. Lieberman.

Step Two: Good luck in the GOP!

While that may be alien to your bureaucratic sensibilities, culling opponents from the flock is sensibly practiced in parties the world over. Lieberman, by appealing to Democrats to rally behind Bush, has (not for the first time) made himself a willing tool of the enemy. I laid out a reason for why he's tolerated, which you couldn't counter except by childish insult; here, I'm explaining how to get rid of him. Not terribly hard, is it?

Btw, your earlier denigration of progressives and your groundless accusation of anti-semitism against another poster are pretty sordid, to say the least. We're here to argue about improving the party and the nation; why don't you try, too?

[bemildred]

22. Funny, I don't remember this being an issue when Clinton was

President. Undermining the President's credibility seemed to be just fine back then. In fact impeaching the President was a good idea. I wonder what's different now? :puke:

[dajoki]

30. complete hypocrisy...

all that time and money was spent investigating Clinton for everything under the sun to find nothing. where are the pious thugs now?

[spanone]

24. No Joe, Bush* undermines his own fucking credibility.

What the fuck were the dems thinking in 2004??? This guy is a democrat only in name.

[newspeak]

29. what credability?

every time the man opens his mouth another lie comes out. Who is Lieberman talking about?

[agincourt]

34. We allow Bush/Cheney/Rove to undermine,

our democracy at our peril and the worlds. Shame on you Joe, quit giving these pointy eyed crooks a pass.