George Will on George Steph's show just now.......

[TheDebbieDee]

repeating the lie that Democrats are terminally divided over Howard Dean's statement that the WOT is unwinnable!

Don't believe the hype, people.

This is another example of right-wing propaganda being catapulted at us!

[Kahuna]

1. What makes you think it's a lie? If you check out some threads..

in GDP, there are some DUers, myself included who think that Dean is a liability based upon his propensity to make careless statements. I'm sure that the party leaders are likewise dismayed over Dean's gaffes. Do you really think that the phones weren't ringing off the hook after Dean's latest gaffe?

[burythehatchet]

2. The measure of Dean's success is how hard they go after him.

He has succeeded in re-framing the debate. He has the courage and the hide to take their attacks. The real losers are the dems who attack him.

[KoKo]

3. "Careless Statements" have won the Repugs Congress and Stolen Elections

"Careless statements" have allowed the M$M to dominate our lives.

:rofl: Dean makes "Careless Statements." :rofl:

[Kahuna]

8. There's a double standard. I thought everybody knew that after..

how we have seen how the MSM has been shills for the repukes. Case in point. Dean says we can't win and it's controversial. Bush says the same thing during an election, and it's crickets.

[bahrbearian]

11. Deans careless statement has brought new light to that,,now if

we can get someone on MSM to point that out.

[KoKo]

14. The Media would prefer to report Coulter and O'Reilly "Careless Statement"

The "HYPOCRACY" is just overwhelming.

Anne Coulter and the rest can advocate killing Dems, Muslims and anyone they don't agree with. Repugs can stand on the floor of the House and Senate day after day and accuse Democrats of the most vile actions.

There are people who don't want Dean as head of DNC. Yet, they were perfectly happy with Terry MacAuliff ...Mr. Big Money who did shit for us because he was so happy being in bed with the lobbyists. What did MacAuliff ever stand up for? We've whined for years here about Democratic leaders standing up to the Repugs. When Dean does it...some folks fall all over him with knives and are helped by our own Dems. :shrug:

[Armstead]

4. His "gaffes" usually become conventional wisdom

You have just encapsulated the problem with the democrats who bash Dean.

Almost everything Dean has said over time has either come true, or has become the "talking points" of conventional wisdom.

Sure, Dean could use a little training in structuring his spefcific words a little better at times. But that is a very minor flaw compared to the fact that his statements are usually true and only slightly ahead of the curve. Want to see where the mainstream will be tomorrow? Listen to what Dean says today. That's usually a pretty accurate barometer.

It's like the Wellstone funeral. That made many people feel more inspired than they had been by partisan politics in years. But instead of taking advantage of that momentum, the Democratic jellyfish immediately undercut that positive energy by caving in and apologizing when the GOP went into action to attack it.

Just once, it would be refreshing to see Democrats actually back up those people and events that are an energizing and refreshing breath of fresh air, instead of being so afraid to stand on our feet.

[Kahuna]

9. And usually too late to du us any good.

nt

[Armstead]

12. That's not Dean's fault though

[MissWaverly]

7. Please explain

George Bush has had a free ride in this country since 2000, they are now saying that there
are 119,000 wounded from Iraq and Afghanistan that are being treated by the VA. There are
secret prisons all over Europe and American citizens can now be arrested and held w/o
charges and there has been no one speaking up (I am not counting the election cycle).
Now 3 have spoken out John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean. And now we have criticism,
I heard them say on This Week that we should be "praising the president." For what, for
Falluja? or maybe torture? I am alarmed over the lack of debate and objective criticism
in this country, is free speech and objective criticism only allowed every 4 years. I vividly recall the Clinton administration, no republican congressman or senator ever
hesitated in making the most vitriolic criticism of Clinton (99% unjustified). Please
explain how this works.

[Kahuna]

10. Don't ask me to explain the duplicity of the media and the republicans.

You want to know why the media shills for the repukes, ask them. Not me.

[MissWaverly]

13. I am saying that Republicans control by talk

they never shut up, first it's terror, terror, terror, now it's victory, victory, victory.
We can not criticize the democrats for speaking out, that's what they SHOULD be doing. We
can not allow America to descend into a rogue nation that is an outcast in the world community. By the democrats remaining passive, they are enabling the process. The American
people are tired of war, they will be voting for Chuck Hagel in 08 unless we can take a stand now.

[Warpy]

15. "propensity to make careless statements?"

Since when did telling the truth become a careless statement? What the hell is wrong with party conservatives?

Sitting back like a lady and saying nothing is the mistake, one your people have been making so long that the meme "Democrats have no position on anything" has taken hold.

Dean isn't the problem here. Party conservatives are the problem.

Every time Dean tells the truth, the rest of us get just a little bit bolder, stand a little taller, and speak up a little louder against bullies on the right.

Perhaps if party conservatives hadn't lost us all three branches of government, they might have a point. However, it's abundantly clear they don't.

[flpoljunkie]

5. Yes, an online ad from the RNC & the media whores dutifully flog it.

Timmy Russert showed it, too. Anything to make the Democrats look bad.

Kudos however to CBS's Bob Schieffer who had John Murtha as his guest on FACE THE NATION.

[stray cat]

6. Our plan to "win" or salvage Iraq is different

The best argument I have heard for pulling back in Iraq is that our presence is the real problem. If we pull back or even convince Iraqs we plan to leave it may deflate 90% of the motivation of the insurgents who simply are fighting occupation. We have let the repubs frame the debate as democrats admitting defeat and cutting and running. If I understand currectly thats Murthas and Feingold's argument - maybe Deans as well since I didn't hear his entire statement