DLC supporters! Gather here and tell us of the DLC plan for 2006!

[The Judged]

What is the plan for the DLC Democrats and the Democratic Party to regain control of the House of Representatives in 2006?

What is the plan for the DLC Democrats and the Democratic Party to regain control of the U.S. Senate in 2006?

What is the plan for the DLC Democrats and the Democratic Party to regain control of more state Governorships and other statewide and locally elected offices in 2006?

If these are not goals of the DLC Democrats for 2006, then kindly post the correct goals.

Please step up to the plate and hit the ball out of the park!

Go ahead. Make our day!

Show us the way. I eagerly await the facts.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

1. .............

:popcorn:

[billbuckhead]

6. Nothing less than saving the world.

But first they have to win an election.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

8. LOL.

:popcorn:

[MrBenchley]

9. The guy wanting to know the plan now

is the same guy who demanded to hear some DLC accomplishments earlier in the day...then screamed that people who pointed to DLC accomplishments were "changing the focus of the thread."

[RazzleDazzle]

27. How 'bout a link so we can judge for ourselves?

[wyldwolf]

39. here..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2313108&mesg_id=2313108

[thefloyd]

2. Evening Snack

:popcorn:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

5. I've got some pastries. Want any?

:popcorn:

[thefloyd]

17. Nah too much sugar this late at night

plus....I have plenty popcorn.

[mike_c]

3. act like republicans!

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

[MrBenchley]

4. Why? It's not like you're going to support it.

[bahrbearian]

7. "What is the plan for the DLC Democrats " thats simple

"Howard Dean doesn't speak for me"

[Clarkansas]

10. Yawn. Another day another anti-DLC thread.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

12. First, welcome to DU!! Also, I assume you support Clark. I don't

think Clark likes the DLC.

[Clarkansas]

16. Clark was working for Kaine (DLC) in Virginia last November.

Like me, Clark realizes a democrat in office, DLC or not, is better than a republican.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

20. I wanted Kaine to win too. But, what is the DLC Plan to win the 2006

Elections?

[Clark2008]

23. But Clark is not DLC.

He will work for Democrats - yes, of course.

HOWEVER... let's not confuse moderate Dems with DLCers. DLCers are corporatist, which isn't necessarily moderate. It CAN be, but the terms are not synonymous.

P.S. And Clark, btw, is NOT moderate. LMAO! He's more liberal than Dean and nearly as liberal as Kucinich! He's just PERCEIVED as a moderate because he's a retired general. I like, that, though. Which is one of the many reasons I support him. ;)

[Toots]

43. How did it get to be anti DLC?

I guess by the absence of DLC supporter to come up with a single thing...

[Name removed]

11. Deleted message

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[SaveElmer]

19. So the 2000 and 2004 elections weren't stolen then ?

Is that what you are saying?

[AntiCoup2K4]

21. I'm saying they never should have been close enough to BE stolen.

On top of that, both campaigns were pathetically managed, and it's clearly obvious that some of the principals involved, such as Donna Brazille and Joe Lieberman, have questionable loyalties, to put it charitably. The DLC manipulated the 2004 campaign from Iowa to Kerry's premature concession of Ohio.

No more spineless candidates. No more incompetent campaign management. No more DLC.

[SaveElmer]

29. Ahhh...the typical copout...

Keeps you from having to admit that a DLC candidate won the last four Presidential elections...

Also I have a newsflash for you...DLC does not run campaigns, nor do they control candidates running for office...those candidates run on the issues that resonate in their states...for most it is working quite well...

As I recall...Al Gore ran a populist themed campaign in 2000...in fact didn't the DLC criticize him for it?

[AntiCoup2K4]

38. Clinton won in 1992 with 43% of the vote.

At one point, Ross Perot led the race. If he had not dropped out for a while, he might have held that lead and won. In 1996, the country had started to recover from the Reagan/Bush damage, but Dole wasn't exactly a challenge.

Gore won, but he had already moved on from the DLC by that point. Though admittedly they still owned Holy Joe.

As for Kerry, I can't count him as the winner because he threw in the towel way too early. Gore did the right thing by fighting. I wish he had challenged the obvious partisanship of the Supreme Court, but there was nobody to appeal to. Except God. And if you consider all the areas hit hardest by hurricanes, you could make a case for that (Until New Orleans anyway :( )

[AntiCoup2K4]

37. In reference to the post that was deleted....

If you're going to delete a post critical of the Delusionist Likud Cancer, then show a little fairness and delete the DLC cheerleaders who respond to it.

The DLC ARE NOT DEMOCRATS, AND I WILL BE DAMNED TO HELL WITH THE ENTIRE BUSH FAMILY BEFORE I LET THEM DESTROY ANYMORE ELECTIONS!!

If you do not stand with me against these bastards, that's your choice. But stand aside and let me stop their LIES.


"The Democratic Leadership Council is an influential non-profit corporation that argues that the United States Democratic Party should abandon progressive principles."

By this statement it is clear that the DLC's intention is to oppose the values of the Democratic Party.

Those who defend the goals of this anti-Democratic, anti-Progressive Corporate cancer should not be tearing down our party on this board.

[salib]

13. Keep it up! Keep it up!

The DLC has NOTHING but empty "but you will not support us" phrases. They are very good at saying that progressives and liberals "do not have any answers", "cannot articulate a direction." But, calling them to "show their hand" is priceless! Let's hear either of the Clintons' plan(s). Let's hear Lie-berman's plan beyond "ya-vol, mein fuhrer."

Thanks. I needed some of this!

[LoZoccolo]

14. Left margin, under "ideas".

http://www.dlc.org

There is also an idea of the week; this week's idea is a proposal for a "National Center for Cures" within the National Institutes for Health by Senator Joe Lieberman:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=131&subid=207&contentid=253646

For those on the go there is a weekly DLC podcast:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=450013&subid=900116&contentid=253563

P.S. I'm sure you just got done turning in a ballot petition for a "progressive" candidate to run in the primary, right? You know, because making things happen is a lot better than complaining and sabatoging the general election, right? Just about ninety days to campaign!

[The Judged]

18. thanks, LoZoccolo. Actually, I am not a progressive, as I am called.

However, I do agree that complaining and sabotaging the general election is not a way to help the Democrats regain the WH, the Congress, and statewide public offices.

[The Judged]

15. Since when is a question a statement? I genuinely asked for the plan!

Come on DLC supporters, go ahead and put forth the plan for the 2006 elections for the Democrats to regain the House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate, The Presidency, the Governorships, and the state and local public offices up for election.

Thanks.

[The Judged]

22. *looking under lectern* ... No plan under here. ... *laughter*

[LoZoccolo]

25. This is why no one responded.

Because you weren't asking seriously. I give you an answer in #14 and you pretend it isn't there.

[The Judged]

26. I did? I thought I said thanks and agreed with an opinion of yours.

Actually, those of us that have labored through the DLC website are able to truthfully say that the DLC in no way attributes "AGENDA" labels to its stated "ideas."

It has a lot of ideas, but none of them are called AGENDA or political GOALS, and instead are called "ideas."

Well, in the history of mankind, I'm sure you are aware, there is a great history of ideas.

What that has to do with the Democrats winning the Presidency, the House and Senate, and Statewide elected public offices is unknown.

What is missing is STRATEGY, IMO.

[LoZoccolo]

28. Why would anyone lay out a political campaign strategy...

...one that's powerful enough to win an election, out where everyone can see it? That kind of stuff is secret. Pretty much anything beyond "knock on doors and get support" is not going to be anything anyone acknowledges publicly. And it's going to be up to the individual campaigns and not the DLC.

[The Judged]

31. Actually, I don't totally agree. IMO, there is a need to begin VERY SOON!

Considering the numerous problems caused by state and local government officials and private persons prior to and during the 2004 elections and the newer voter ID rules proliferating, there is a legitimate argument that groundwork needs to begin soon.

Certainly, getting Democratic Party political supporters and eligible voters into a position that assures them that they are properly registered to vote, have the correct ID to vote, that they know where they will vote, that they have the logistics to be able to vote with minimal interference from outsiders as a result of fair election resource allocation by state and county officials and carefully planned Democratic Party sponsored "get-out-the-vote" efforts are parts of the strategy that don't need to be kept secret.

Also, making sure that churches are monitored for signs of their political action efforts that were discovered at the last minute in 2004 needs to be a priority. A strategy for dealing with political action by churches needs to be devised and put in place sooner rather than later.

State and county voting issues need to be resolved sooner not later.

Certain public offices should be obvious targets for strong Democratic challenges, and those offices could at least be identified so grass roots organizers can begin planning to settle into those municipalities and get ready to act on orders. This is a logistical strategy that should be made available sooner rather than later, because it will take a great deal of effort to set-up for the stretch run.

It is not too early to get to work on theses and other issues.

As for the actual platform and candidate strategies, well, there is a problem in waiting too long to get people moving in the right direction on those issues as well.

Not all of those issues need to be developed in the final months of the campaign, though here I agree the "big and bold" ideas should be out of sight until much later in the process.

[LoZoccolo]

42. The DLC's role and approach doesn't really cover that.

They were set up to address specific things - especially sources of funding and policy - which they thought were losing us elections or making it difficult to get elected. If you call your local Democratic Party office, I'm sure they'll be happy to get more people involved with things like voter registration, get-out-the-vote efforts, and running for more offices. That's the kind of job they fulfill all the time. The DLC's focus is much more narrow.

As far as monitoring churches, I actually doubt that the Democratic Party itself will get involved in such a thing because it plays into a strategy that the Republicans picked to help them win - accusing us of interefering with religious freedom. However, a group like People for the American Way, might. Republicans let other groups take care of some of their more controversial facets all the time as well.

[MrBenchley]

40. This is the same guy who demanded to know DLC accomplishments

and then screamed "Shut Up! You're ruining the focus of the thread" whenever he got any.

[Don1]

24. *crickets*

crick-et crick-et crick-et.

Silence.

[Writer]

30. What is the DNC's plan for 2006?

I'd personally be more interested in THAT. They're, like, set up as a real party that, like, runs candidates 'n stuff. Ya know?

[The Judged]

32. Whatever the DLC tells them it is. Evidently, history repeat itself.

Though you ask a very valid question, this thread asked another very valid question first.

What is the DLC's plan for 2006.

Let's finish with this question, and then move on to yours.

Somehow, I doubt that the Democratic Party's plan involves more than getting more money than last time and firing up the same old political machine they used then too.

I hope I am wrong.

[Writer]

33. I don't think the DLC has the kind of control you grant it in your...

question. The DLC is a think tank that promotes a centrist Democratic agenda. If they run candidates, they do so under the umbrella of the DNC.

The DNC, on the other hand, is a party. A party that funds and runs candidates based on a platform of planks comprised by its members.

What bothers me about the question is the pretheoretical assumptions. I think this entire paradigm of the "DLC ordering the DNC what to do" needs to be adjusted because I think it's just plain erroneous.

Centrists are not a product of an organization. Centrists (and conservative Dems) are a product of their own making.

I think I need to go to sleep now. As always, this stuff makes me tired. :boring:

[The Judged]

35. One problem at the core of your assertion is that the DLC is a think tank.

1). The DLC is not a political party and is not a think tank.

Actually, the DLC is a not-for-profit corporation and "The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) leads the New Democrat movement, a national network of elected officials and community leaders whose innovative ideas are modernizing progressive politics for the 21st Century."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=86

Additionally, the DLC has a think tank, and it is called The Progressive Policy Institute:

http://www.ppionline.org

Lastly, The Progressive Policy Institute is funded by is funded by the Third Way Foundation:

http://www.third-way.com/products/national_security.htm

2). You wrote: "The DNC, on the other hand, is a party. A party that funds and runs candidates based on a platform of planks comprised by its members."

Yes, and a substantial number of those members are also members of the DLC, the Blue Dog's, and the Progressives.

The DLC members are, by far, the most influential members of the DNC in matters of national elections.

3). You wrote: "What bothers me about the question is the pretheoretical assumptions. I think this entire paradigm of the "DLC ordering the DNC what to do" needs to be adjusted because I think it's just plain erroneous."

Well, I am not going to try to convince you.

However, decisions of on matters of national significance during election cycles over the past 16 years seem to demonstrate that the DLC's candidates are at the forefront of the DNC efforts, and there must be an underlying reason other than the false notion that local primaries by local Americans just support those outcomes. (For more on the local primary effect look to 2004 when Kerry mysteriously came from behind to take the lead the non-DLC candidate in the primaries. The DNC machine was clearly behind that move to ensure the DLC candidate pulled ahead.)

The DNC can make or break DLC candidates at the grass roots levels in the primaries, but doesn't hinder the DLC candidates paths to election.

No candidates seem to be more preferable to the DNC than the DLC candidates, based on a review of the past 16 years of national elections and the DNC's demonstrated campaigns.

4). You wrote: "Centrists are not a product of an organization. Centrists (and conservative Dems) are a product of their own making."

According to this link at the DLC website, the "The New Democrat Credo" of the DLC states plainly that "we intend to carry on Clinton's insistence upon new means to achieve progressive ideals."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=194&contentid=3775

The existence of the DLC not-for-profit corporation is deliberate and in order to influence politics, including the DNC:

""Al From is founder and chief executive officer of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), a dynamic idea action center of the "Third Way" governing philosophy that is reshaping progressive politics in the United States and around the globe. He is also chairman of the Third Way Foundation and publisher of the DLC's flagship bi-monthly magazine, Blueprint: Ideas for a New Century.

As a founder of the DLC -- birthplace of the New Democrat movement and the Third Way in America -- and its companion think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), From leads a national movement that since the mid-1980s has provided both the action agenda and the ideas for New Democrats to successfully challenge the conventional political wisdom in America and, in the process, redefine the center of the Democratic Party."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=191&contentid=1131

Please note the constant usage of "progressive" throughout the DLC website.

Further, "President Bill Clinton, in his speech to the 1998 DLC Annual Conference, said, " are reviving center-left political parties throughout the industrialized world as people everywhere struggle to put a human face on the global economy. Today, less than 15 years after we started, the ideas pushed by the DLC are literally sweeping the world.""

Please take notice that President Bill Clinton used the term "center-left political parties."

I think the president was correct. The formula was working perfectly. The American Public loved the center-left Democratic Party.

(same link)

5). You wrote: "I think I need to go to sleep now. As always, this stuff makes me tired."

Get a good night sleep.

[SaveElmer]

34. The DLC is not a political party...

I believe the DNC/DSCC/DCCC is responsible for getting candidates elected...

The DLC does publish issue and strategy papers that candidates are free to use if they believe it will help them in their campaigns...

IMO many of these are worthwhile, some are not...

[The Judged]

36. See post number 35 in this thread (right above this post)

[stickdog]

41. What *IS* the DLC's plan for 2006?

shades of 2002?

From the looks of this thread, the DLC appears to be a bit lost without the strong and charismatic leadership of Tom Daschle.

[killbotfactory]

44. Their plan is to push the issues of VIDEO GAMES and FLAG BURNING!

Don't you see the brilliance in it?!

[leesa]

45. Warrin' and corporate whorin'

[LSK]

46. their plan is to stab true progressives in the back

And continue loosing.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

47. locking.

this has turned into a flamewar. In addition, it's gone way off topic- unless the topic was a primer on how to engage in personal attacks!