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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:31 PM
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the English people must be asleep or distracted. warning!

http://www.buzzflash.com/mailbag/05/12/mai05354.html


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Subject: Orwell rolls in his grave

... as Big Brother grows in size and omnipotence and individual liberties vanish.

This article describes a new program rolled out in Great Britain which allows government surveillance of EVERY vehicle in the nation, EVERY movement EVERY mile logged EVERY destination visited. Chilling in the extreme and every freedom-loving person should be alarmed and aware, as Mr. Bush would no doubt like to bring that here to America claiming he has the inherent authority to set this up without the say-so of Congress and in defiance of the judiciary.

Britain will be first country to monitor every car journey: From 2006 Britain will be the first country where every journey by every car will be monitored (The Independent)

Dan D.

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maybe the English are just tired. WWII took it's toll. maybe the young people don't know jack shit except their own lives.

will this virus travel across the sea to america?
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:37 PM
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1. Hey they gave us the beatles.....
But this wacko idea is too spooky. :scared:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:42 PM
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2. Will every taxi have records of every (possibly disguised) fare
their vitals, their interests, their dreams??? Will people who take multiple taxi rides, jumping from taxi to taxi be tracked???? Will anonymous bus users be tracked?????? Or will everybody be FORCED TO IDENTIFY themselves every time they travel ANYWHERE, including to the restroom and taco bell.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:45 PM
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3. This didn't come out of nowhere you know.
The cops there have been trying to get to this point for quite some years...
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Moderate Dem Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:45 PM
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4. I am all for personal freedoms
But do you have a right to privacy on a public highway?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:03 PM
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7. Yes, as a matter of fact, you do.
Damn, why not just put the verichips in everyone now.
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Moderate Dem Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:19 PM
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9. Oh really?
How is that? Got a link supporting your contention?

Actually, as an anti-terror measure it's pretty good. The key would be oversight, to make sure that it only applies to terrorism.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:20 PM
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10. YES
nt
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:45 PM
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14. Yes
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 02:47 PM by AverageJoe
Please see the 4th Amendment to the United States Constitution. (I don't know about in England.)

On edit: Realized my silly mistake about the 4th amendment and England.... (blush).
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:47 PM
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5. Driving is a Privilege not a Right
What's wrong with keeping an eye out?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:22 PM
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11. an eye out for what?
nt
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:02 PM
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6. Don't have a car, don't drive - there are still buses and trains
Actually, if this is an anti-terrorism measure, I think it is rather ingenious. Much better idea than the ID cards (which could be forged, and which would cost each of us at least £80, and with which there were problems to do with people who work with their hands having no finger-print). It might make it easier to stop terrorists on a one-way day-trip to London from completing their mission.

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:26 PM
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12. if "ifs" were horses, the King would have his army


or, however that old saying goes
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:05 PM
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8. "will this virus travel across the sea to america?"
It already has. Look for it to be put in tags here soon.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:28 PM
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13. yes, and already that onstar (?) thing that is in new cars

where they know where the car is.
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