If you don't want your Google or Yahoo searches recorded.......

[hwmnbn]

I use these proxy servers to remain anonymous.

For Google searches use this page: http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm

For Yahoo searches, use this page: http://www.scroogle.org/scraper7.html


They both offer:

no cookies | no search-term records | access log deleted after 7 days

They are the brainchild of a privacy organization called http://www.google-watch.org/ and you can read about their work from this link.

[ixion]

1. awesome...

thanks! :hi:

[hwmnbn]

3. no problema, ixion.......

:hi: back at ya.

[pecwae]

2. Anyone know about Dogpile?

I use it almost exclusively. Admittedly, I'm not sure exactly how it functions or who owns it. Any input on it?

[hwmnbn]

7. I looked for the dogpile privacy policy.....

and found this.....

InfoSpace collects some anonymous information each time you visit an InfoSpace Site so we can improve the overall quality of your online experience. We collect your IP address, referral data, and browser and platform type. You do not have to register with InfoSpace before we can collect this anonymous information.

(my emphasis)

What they do with that information is anybody's guess, but they collect it.

If you want an alternative search engine, the google-watch folks recommend: http://clusty.com/

We also recommend Clusty, which has better results than Google and doesn't track you

[pecwae]

8. Hmmm..

I'll be using the alternatives you cite in future. I appreciate the info and the post. K&R.

[deek]

20. to add to firefox browser bar:

http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=Clusty&submitform=Search

[hwmnbn]

24. Oh yeah.....

Firefox ROCKS!! I didn't want to get into browser issues, but Firefox ROCKS!! :headbang: thanks

[Neil Lisst]

4. Thanks. Always good to know.

friggin rat bastards at Gonzo Central

[Sparkman]

5. what a great clandestine FLAG. Monitoring scroogle is doable & a priority

What makes you think ANY online activity is imunized? LEGAL access, overt taps...MAYBE, but covert ops will be looking at self-professed SECURE CITES, if they aren't already monitored.
Cummunications can be done w/o government intrusion, but it requires a little more creativity than surfing for a "clean" channel advertised on the internet. imo

[hwmnbn]

10. Then these are probably not for you........

Since we're ALL SCREWED anyway, why bother, is that your point?


BTW

Cummunications can be done w/o government intrusion, but it requires a little more creativity

Can you tell us about this? I'm serious, I'm not very creative, but I'm curious as all get-out. Thanks.




edit for a BTW

[Sparkman]

14. ALL satellite links are ALL vulnerable, to gov. telecom snoopg! Land line

communication via phone company switch terminals are ALL vulnerable. IF you want to recommend SECURE communications, these are not the answer. How much clearer can this be?
DON'T say anything you don't want attributed to you on these mediums or you will be dissapointed.
The secure ways are numerous, and public.

You will have to be more creative...can't you even think of one ALTERNATIVE to email & telephone communication techniques? I bet you can, friend. You know we are resourceful people, hell we put a man on the moon & cured a dozen pandemic deseases!!

[hwmnbn]

27. I'm not talking about SECURE communications......

communication via phone company switch terminals are ALL vulnerable. IF you want to recommend SECURE communications, these are not the answer. How much clearer can this be?

this is a privacy/anonymity issue. Please read my post #16 below

DON'T say anything you don't want attributed to you on these mediums or you will be dissapointed. The secure ways are numerous, and public.

Can we post on DU using PGP? Besides I stand by EVERYTHING I say here on DU. Fuck the chimp!

You will have to be more creative...can't you even think of one ALTERNATIVE to email & telephone communication techniques? I bet you can, friend.

Man, now I'm really feeling dumb. :cry:

[sendero]

29. Sadly..

... I was thinking the same thing. If I were a gov't agency intent on doing such monitoring, trust me it is technically feasible. Simply sniff every packet coming into that domain/IP. Not a big deal.

The fact is, there is no ultimate privacy on the web, unless you are using something like PGP, and even that is not going to be able to hide your google searches.

[hwmnbn]

30. So then why go thru all this bullshit with Google....

taking them to court and the rest of it. Why don't they just sniff google's packets?

Damn, doesn't that sound pornographically gross? :puke:

[sendero]

31. If you keep talking...

... about sniffing packets, they're gonna come get you!

I'm not saying that using those services you posted won't help. I'm just saying they are not guarenteed to work. Basically, nothing is. Because if someone wants to know what you are doing on the web, and they have the means to "tap" your conversation, all bets are off.

[IronLionZion]

36. What makes you think they're not?

Look, I'm in the IT security field so I know for a fact they are sniffing packets from search engines and "questionable sites". They flag key words and take notice if a large number are repeating from the same location. When you hear on the news that there is increased "chatter" on communication lines ahead of a terrorist attack, what do you think they are talking about? Smoke signals and jungle drums?

The Google issue deals with subpoenas of specific records involved in a court case concerning child pornography. Google is a stand-up company for protecting it's users' privacy, but perhaps the court doesn't realize how useless the search records are for their case. Much better evidence would be porno on the defendents' personal computers, which they already have.

And don't you dare forget the publicity and panic this is causing. An administration that thrives on fear to survive is playing you like a fiddle. They want you to look over your shoulder before logging on to DU or researching the latest conspiracy. Already, DUers are watching what they post here just in case.

God help us defeat these bastards.

:patriot:

[nickinSTL]

6. great tool, thanks

n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. I've started using the new and improved "AskJeeves.com" n/t

[hwmnbn]

16. All these search engines pretty much....

work the same way. They all collect information. The sneaky part is when they say:

...For this reason, we do not consider your IP address to be personally identifiable information (unless and until such an association is made, such as in response to a court order).

For all intents and purposes, you ARE your IP address. You are responsible for whatever internet activities start at your IP address, whether downloading music, sending spam, threatening your neighbor, etc.

This issue only deals with submitting search terms to search engines. When you go to google, that's the ONLY thing you can do. The point is google can and does keep a record of your search terms and a record of your IP address. They can make the association to identify you and now the government wants those associations. :scared:

These scraper sites act as a middle man to shield your IP address from Google. These scraper sites don't keep a record of your search terms, so they can't identify who searched for what. The government can not make them disclose what they don't know.

I may have gotten too complex here, I hope I didn't add confusion for you.

[rucky]

11. This is a great rescource...

but - just as a matter of principle - I'm not going to adjust what I do ONE BIT because of the threats from these thugs.

[thinkingwoman]

37. me either

if they want to know which fetish sites I google or how many times I input miserable failure and hit I feel lucky they can have it.

Why change? Why hide it? Who the fuck cares?

I would post under my own name instead of thinkingwoman if I hadn't spent 5 years in hiding from a stalker. I'm more concerned about my stalker finding me from a google search, and then hacking my family to death with a butcher knife, than whether or not the govt can read a report on every site I visit.

Drown them in paper work. That's THEIR fetish.

[TygrBright]

12. Unfortunately, the maximum number of results...

...you can get reported from a Scroogle search is 100. Which is pitiful, if you're doing a really detailed, heavy-duty search.

However, for the easy stuff, it's great!

regretfully,
Bright

[hwmnbn]

28. You are correct TygrBright......

if you're doing a really detailed, heavy-duty search

I try to stay away from that as much as I can. If I need heavy duty research, I come to DU!! :rofl:

[hunter]

13. Or you could confront the problem head on...

Get angry and light a fire under the rat bastards who have taken over our government.

Don't act like the federal government is your mommy and you are a sneaky teenager, that's what they want you to do.

You wanna piece of me, Bush? Come and get me. And don't forget a search warrant.

http://www.eff.org

[Sparkman]

15. Challange power wisely, with you're entusiasm we can't lose the republic.

[hwmnbn]

21. I agree, Sparkman, attitude is important.....

enthusiastic resistance on ALL fronts is what we need now.

Most of us, myself included, are not tech-savvy enough to fight them on the technology front. We can fight on the political front like elections and EFF and demonstrations. I'm in on that.

My original post was not meant as a cure for all our internet ills. It was suggesting one possible step anyone can take to throw a bit of resistance against one particular issue.

I appreciate your input but please, don't assign creativity to my list of sins. :hi:

[hwmnbn]

19. Thanks for bringing this up.......

http://www.eff.org

I'm a member. Wasn't this organization started in San Francisco by the road manager of the Grateful Dead? How hip is that!?! LOL I had to join!

And they are doing great work.

[RobertSeattle]

17. Slightly different proxy technique

Just do a "English" to English translation with Google. Goofy but it works.

(The Vertical Bar always confused the DU UI)

Basic url is: www.google.com/translate?langpair=en|en&u=XXX

So DU would be:

http://www.google.com/translate?langpair=en|en&u=www.democraticunderground.com

[sundancekid]

18. how do I thank thee, let me count the ways ... for ALL your posts on this

thread, that is!!!!!

I'm so sick of the poo-pooers who can't seem to separate wheat from chaff.

:yourock:

[Inland]

22. Turns out "Downing" and "memos" and "impeachment" are child porn slang

Who knew? Besides Alberto and his Team Porn Task Force?

[hwmnbn]

25. Alberto and his Team Porn are so screwed!....

Aw fuck, did I just say screwed?! I meant they will not be successful.

Aw shit, did I just say fuck?! I meant golly darn

Aw...... *hwmnbn becomes silent* :scared: :scared:

[Roland99]

23. Thanks!

[hwmnbn]

26. To sundancekid and Roland99.......

*hwmnbn does the Barney Fife sniff*

"Aw shucks, Andy, I was jus' doin my job" :smoke:

[bush_is_wacko]

32. Fantastic! I never knew they existed! n/t

[Gelliebeans]

33. Thank you very much! n/t

[NMMNG]

34. Thanks! K&R n/t

[Nutmegger]

35. I usually use public proxy's

but it's such a hassle to find a decent one not to mention that I'm taking a bandwidth reduction. Thanks for the information.

[greiner3]

38. Actually, I'm hoping to get mine 'NSA'ed';

I just googled 'george bush is dead using my IE browser. Lol, I got a great response and used it to put up a post a few minutes ago. Hell, I send myself emails that mention the words bomb, nuclear, dirty bomb, terrorist, bomb, World Trade Towers, bomb... you get the gist! Let agent Mike and his boyfriend chase themselves over little old me. F'em I say!

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

39. Anyone know what this means?