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The Donkey Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 10:48 AM
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The Case of "Filibuster v. Alito"
The Senate is getting ready to have a vote on whether or not Judge Samuel Alito should replace Sandra Day O’Connor on the Supreme Court. It appears that Judge Alito will get a unanimous approval among the Republican members of the Senate, meaning that he indeed does have enough votes in that chamber to get confirmed. However, while the Democrats are in the minority, they have the option of filibustering the nomination.

For those of you who are unaware of what a filibuster is, it’s when the Senate chooses to block the passage of any measure by using all of the time allotted for debate, usually by giving extremely long speeches. Because of Senate rules, the Democrats can postpone this nomination permanently if they so choose.

Should they use this tool? After all, the mere mention of it has sent most TV pundits into a tizzy, followed by the usual rants of “unbridled partisanship” and “dirty tricks” directed at the Democrats. I can agree in one sense that overuse of the filibuster is likely not the best long-term solution to advance your agenda as a minority party. Therefore, it should only be used in times of real emergency.

This happens to be one of those occasions. An appointment to the Supreme Court is a very rare occurrence in the Senate, and each appointee is given a lifetime tenure. The Supreme Court is the head of one of our three co-equal branches of our government. As such, the implications of having a man like Samuel Alito on the Court will likely have a major impact on the future of our country.

If you think that I might be exaggerating Alito’s possible influence, here’s a smattering of some of his past judicial decisions. Take a peek and see if you agree that this is the path our country should follow . . . .

If you are pro-choice – this is possibly the worst guy that could have been nominated for you. He has consistently ruled to limit access to abortions for women, even going so far as to say that if you are married and choose to have an abortion, you are legally bound to consult your spouse before you do so. You will also have to wait 24 hours after being given medical information regarding the procedure before having it. Additionally, abortion clinics will be compelled to make their records public.

In Doe v. Groody, Alito said that it was okay for police to strip-search a ten year-old girl during a search of a house of a suspected drug dealer. Sure, the girl was not named in the warrant, and the police did not even know that she would be in the house when they entered. Alito felt that stripping the little girl down and searching her in front of her mom was a great idea (even though she wasn’t even a suspect). After all, she could have been hiding something, right? Nothing was found on her person, of course, and I’ll bet that she’s suffering a bit of trauma to this day over the ordeal.

Are you a female, a minority, or both? There are several examples where Alito dismissed complaints of sexual or racial harassment and discrimination. In Robinson v. City of Pittsburgh, he tried to dismiss a sexual harassment claim by a female police officer from one of her superiors due to “lack of evidence”, and that her harasser was not her “direct” superior. Sure, there had been formal complaints registered. Sure, the guy had a habit of unhooking her bra, touching her inappropriately, and describing how their sex would be, if she only said yes. Apparently such behavior is legal and acceptable in Judge Alito’s world.

In Riley v. Taylor, Alito let it be known that was perfectly acceptable for a black person’s fate to be decided by an all-white jury of his “peers”, even when qualified black jurors were available.

In Bray v. Marriott Hotels, a minority hotel employee was passed over for a job promotion in a case where the company hired a white person (from outside the company) for the job instead. The hiring process went against Marriott’s own written hiring and promotion policy, and the company itself gave several conflicting statements as to why they didn’t promote the plaintiff. Alito sided with Marriott, claiming that the suit was without merit, even when presented with ample evidence to the contrary.

On the bright side, if you love assault weapons, then Alito may be the guy for you. In United States v. Rybar, he ruled that not only is it okay to own and use machine guns, it’s okay to sell them to other people! Sure, there are currently laws against that sort of thing, but Alito has written that he thinks Congress overstepped their bounds when writing them. So much for legislating from the bench by crazy judicial activists, right?

Okay, all of those things are bad – really bad. Based on that alone, I’d be very acceptable to seeing a Senate filibuster on the guy. But it was something I heard during his confirmation hearings last week that put me over the edge. It has to do with his notion that our three “separate but equal” branches of government should not share the same portion of power and influence in our country. While the founding fathers created such a system to ensure “checks and balances” in our public officials, Alito feels that they were wrong in their thinking.

I’m talking about Alito’s belief in the notion of a Unitary Executive – meaning that the President of the United States should have more power than the courts or the congress. Here’s the quote that made my skin crawl:

"As I understand the concept, it is the concept that the president is the head of the executive branch. The Constitution says that the president is given the executive power. And the idea of the unitary executive is that the president should be able to control the executive branch, however big it is or however small it is, whether it's as small as it was when George Washington was president or whether it's big as it is today or even bigger (emphasis added). It has to do with control of whatever the executive is doing. It doesn't have to do with the scope of executive power. It does not have to do with whether the executive power that the president is given includes a lot of unnamed powers or what's often called inherent powers. So it's the difference between scope and control. And as I understand the idea of the unitary executive, it goes just to the question of control; it doesn't go to the question of scope."

So according to Alito, the President’s power is without scope. In other words, the Executive in government holds the same supreme power as an executive (or CEO) of a corporation. They control the whole thing. If you think I might be cherry-picking a quote for my own purposes, take a look at what Alito said about the same subject to the Federalist Society in 2001:

"The Constitution makes the president the head of the executive branch, but it does more than that.... The president has not just some executive powers, but the executive power—the whole thing."

If Samuel Alito is confirmed to the Supreme Court, he replaces a former “swing” vote (O’Connor) with one who will side with the corporatists and neoconservatives on virtually every issue. If confirmed, we will see abortion rights wither away. We will see the rights of women and minorities take major setbacks. We will also lose our freedoms against unlawful searches and seizures. We will witness the erosion of individual rights.

Most importantly, we will see the system of democracy so beautifully carried out over the past 200-plus years be forever altered. We will watch as power leaves the judicial and legislative branches of our government, only to be concentrated in an executive branch that currently has very little interest in the well-being of the country as a whole.

For this reason, I hope that a filibuster occurs, and that by some miraculous intevention this nomination is permanently shelved. It is not enough to ask our senators to vote “no” on this issue, as it will do nothing to stop this confirmation. A filibuster is the only solution. Please join me in calling your respective senators to help preserve our country.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 10:50 AM
Response to Original message
1. Beautifully stated !
Unfortunately, there won't be a filibuster, IMO.
Our 'leadership' just doesn't have the cojones to stand up to Boy George. :(
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. What do they possibly have to lose?
I agree there won't be a filibuster, no matter how many calls we make. These people puzzle me to no end.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. Well, we could lose a lot of moderate votes in Novemeber.
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 10:58 AM by bowens43
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Thank you for the voice of reason
The fact is there is not a glaring reason to filibuster. We'll look like obstructionists with the 2006 midterms coming up, which is what they want. The tag line will be "If you want the party of no ideas, vote democrat, but if you want something done in washington, vote for me." He may not be a good guy, but the bar was lowered for the American public with the nomination of Harriet Meyers... genius move on the part of the Bush adminstration.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #7
14. We have never been in a better position to fight. We can't cower every
time the Republicans use a slur!
Bush has never been so unpopular. Most Americans think this country is going in the wrong direction. Now is the time for that old donyek to kick like our lives depended on it!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Do you understand that in order to stop this appointment
we need 6 Republicans to come over to our side? That's NOT going to happen for exactly the reasons you state in your reply to me. We can fight but we can't win. This is a battle they CAN win . They are not going to allow us to stop the nomination of a right wing Supreme Court nominee. My concern is that a failed filibuster will harm us in November. Right now for the reasons you stated, we are well positioned to take control of both the house and the senate . IMNO a failed filibuster will hurt us with the people we need (moderates and independents) to win in November. We have to chose our fights wisely. This is one we can't win.

If Harry Reid knows that 6 Republicans will side with us they'll filibuster. If not , they won't. Either way I'll support them but November is too important to risk for a feel good battle we can't win.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Then lets keep fighting. No reason to give up yet. The tide
is turning. We can pressure Republicans to abstain from nuking. They might not vote against the nuke but Snowe has vowed not to support it. We have to keep up the fight. If we fight and lose that is one thing. If we fold and lose, we deserve what we get!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #7
22. The glaring reason is the warrantless wiretaps. The Supreme Court
is going to decide if they are legal. Do you really want Alito deciding how the constitution will be interpreted in this case?
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. I completely agree that that is the biggest issue in front of us
but the public does not seem to see it that way currently. We need to do a better job in the media to inform everyone of this, quickly. I'm just trying to look at this move from a joe public point of view not from informed political junkies like us.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. That is why political junkies like us have to fight harder.
I think that the public understands more than we give them credit for. They need us to lead, and to lead our leaders.
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The Donkey Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #27
31. I think that the moderates are with us on this one.
hell, I think everyone outside of the GOP Jonestown is with us right now. I say it's time to stand up!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. I do too. And I love your two faced elephant.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. "moderate voices" is an oxymoron
they never speak up, but we always fear what they may have to say.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. Actually, they do speak up.
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 12:03 PM by bowens43
In fact, they decide most elections.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. I read comments like yours and shake my head in sorrow.
Your line of reasoning is why we continue to lose national elections. Once again rather than fight for what we believe, we surrender because we don't want to lose votes. Well guess what, the pusillanimous act loses a lot more votes than fighting ever will. We have become associated with appeasers because of positions like yours. For once the Democrats need to show some spine and draw a line in the sand. Alito is the perfect place to start.

Our position on Alito is a winning one. A filibuster fight would force a majority of the population to pay attention to the issues and they wouldn't like Alito if they were aware of his history. And when the Repugs start crying about him deserving a vote we will shout them down with "You mean a vote like you gave Harriet Myers???!!!!".
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. Nonsense.
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 11:41 AM by bowens43
We lose elections because because we make bonehead decisions. Like Gore distancing himself from Clinton and Kerry playing soldier boy. If we can't sustain a filibuster then to filibuster is another one of those decisions. Right now , we are positioned to take back control of congress. In order to do so we need the votes of the moderates and independents who voted republican in 2004. Those people will not look favorably on a filibuster, especially a failed filibuster. Folks here seem willing to lose the war so they can fight a battle they can't possibly win.

That's the kind of decision that has kept us from winning elections.

Harry Reid will know whether or not a filibuster can succeed. If it can't , it would be a bonehead move to have one.

Shouting willl not get us votes or stop the appointment.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. Pure BULLSHIT!
We lose elections because male voters in particular see us as soft and unwilling to fight. Allowing Alito on the bench only reinforces that image.

It doesn't matter whether we win or lose the filibuster fight. What is important is that the country will have seen that we actually fought for something for a change--irrespective of the political fallout.

If you think the reasons Gore and Kerry lost are those you stated, you don't understand the Democrats' major problem. The country doesn't trust the Repugs to "protect" them more than Democrats because Gore distanced himself from Clinton or Kerry's strategy. They don't trust the Democrats because the Democrats never fight for anything like the Repugs do. Democrats are viewed as soft flip-floppers who will let the French decide our foreign policy by a large segment of voters.

The Repugs maintained control of congress and gained the White House after a very unpopular impeachment fight. That didn't seem to drive the moderates too far from the Repugs. It enhanced their reputation as tough fighters.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. We don't need to fight for fightings sake
we need to pick our fights wisely. If he gets nominated, no big deal right now. We need to concentrate on winning the war, which is the senate and WH. From there we can appoint new ones as they retire in the next term. Some of the others are getting up there in years and we have the senate and WH. We need to think long term. It worked for the republicans.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. If you think fighting Alito is "for fights sake" we have nothing in common
Sure, let's send up the white flag again! Fighting wouldn't be prudent.

Maybe someday in the future we'll fight, just not now. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that nonsense.

You miss the point: WE DON'T WIN NATIONAL ELECTIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T EVER FIGHT. The Repugs ALWAYS fight, even when it is unpopular. That's why a majority trust them on defense and not us. That's why a majority see us as flip-floppers.

Alito should be fought to the full extent of our ability (win or lose) because it is the right thing to do. It will not cost us a single vote and may actually improve our base.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #10
15. The momentum for filibuster is growing ..this is the time!

CALL ALL YOUR SENATORS LOCAL DISTRICT OFFICES NOW TO OPPOSE ALITO

We have gotten many emails from our participants, asking "what more can we do?" Some have reported senators arbitrarily turning off their answering machines at night, or long waits on hold. Are they trying to hide from the thousands and thousands of their constituents who are raising their voices to demand that they filibuster the evasive Alito? Even if you have already sent your personal message by email or made some phone calls, we have added a FABULOUS extra function to the main action page where you can instantly lookup all your senators local district offices phone and fax numbers with just one click.

http://www.nocrony.com

SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT FILIBUSTER FRIDAY

If the other side can have a so-called "Justice Sunday", we can have our own "Filibuster Friday", and that day is tomorrow. In just the last 24 hours we have seen a major shift in momentum. Today, Senator Leahy came out with a very strong statement that he recognizes the immense threat to our freedom and democracy in allowing a dangerous and unpopular president to install a fifth and controlling vote to hold that our Constitution actually intended to create an executive dictatorship. Tomorrow we need to show our support for those senators who are starting to stand up now by hitting every phone they've got right down to the district level with our phone calls and faxes. Get all your numbers with one easy click at

http://www.nocrony.com

Those you who like to call in to progressive radio programs, we have all their call in numbers too at the site above in the right column. Call them and ask them to talk up Filibuster Friday all day and night long! Let's start early and snowball the thing all day long. Ask them to give out the easy to say and remember URL above as much as possible. Senators have said they are "undecided" on a filibuster. But we the American people HAVE decided and all our senators have to do it get it.

Some senators who are too still too cowardly to demand a filibuster are saying they will make Alito an issue in the 2006 election. It'll be an issue alright, in their OWN primaries! Any officeholder who will not stand up for this one must never hold public office in any capacity ever again. And the difference is whether you will stand up YOURSELF right now and make those calls to their local district offices. Make calls to the toll-free numbers 888-355-3588, 888-818-6641 and 800-426-8073 if you can get through there too.

It is not enough to vote "No." They must vote "Hell, NO!" It's called a filibuster. Filibuster Friday.

Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed to be ours, and forward this message to everyone else you know.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #4
38. I've said it before and I'll say it again - looking like obstructionists
is NO reason not to filibuster.

If, with all of the Republican scandals going down - the Republicans manage to win on the "obstructionist" argument - our strategists are complete idiots.

This President is LOSING A WAR, BREAKING THE LAW, losing jobs, has dismal approval ratings, has senior level staffers embroiled in a scandal, has had a subpoena delivered to the DOOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE, has his "brain" under investigation, pretends the armed forces aren't stretched to the limit and we are winning the war on terror (while people in, and formerly associated with, these programs are saying the opposite.

COME ON - aren't you sick of our leaders being afraid of having everything they say used against them, so they say nothing???

Please.
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spunky Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #2
6. The ability to filibuster judicial nominees in the future?
The Repubs will obviously use the "nuclear option" if the Dems filibuster. Although there is always the question, if you aren't going to use it here, when are you going to use it.

If they filibuster and the repubs go "nuclear" won't Alito get confirmed anyway, and the Judicial filibuster is lost. . .
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. Conversely,
... who's set to retire next ? We're not realistically looking at anyone else leaving the SCOTUS during the Bush regime, so the next 'set' of nominees should be under a (hopefully) Dem president. If the 'nuclear option' shuts down future filibusters across the board, then the Reps won't be able to use it against us, either, right? :shrug:


The Dems have nothing to lose, but still refuse to stand for the people they supposedly represent.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #9
37. Ginsberg is not at all healthy
and Stevens is no spring chicken. I'm guessing chimp gets at least one more and maybe 2. Obviously, we need to save the filibuster that we will never use for those picks.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #6
11. So we retain the "right" to filibuster by never doing so????
That "logic" is laughable. If the Repugs dare to go nuclear then let them. They will lose big in public opinion if they go down that road.

I would also suggest that there is a very good chance Frist doesn't have the votes to pull off the nuclear option. Call his cat killing bluff!
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #6
36. We need to call their bluff on the nuclear option
I don't think the Northeast "moderate" pukes and McCain have the stomach to go through with it. Of course, it IS much easier to just surrender to the nazis.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. Keep fighting anyway. Let them know where we stand and that this matters.
We are flooding their offices and can keep it up till we win. Our efforts must be focused and sustained. The neocons did not get to power by folding.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 10:58 AM
Response to Original message
3. Even if there is a filibuster
do you expect the republicans to allow it to stand? Not a chance. They are not going to pass on this opportunity to change the direction of the court. Six republicans and all Democrats would have to oppose a rules change. Not much of chance of that happening.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:00 AM
Response to Original message
5. Your reasoning for why Alito should be stopped is flawless, but
You failed to state the fact that there are not the votes to stop the Republicans from 'reinterpreting' the rules and making the filibuster moot.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 11:47 AM
Response to Original message
16. Incredibly well stated! Thanks.THIS IS FILIBUSTER FRIDAY!

CALL ALL YOUR SENATORS LOCAL DISTRICT OFFICES NOW TO OPPOSE ALITO

We have gotten many emails from our participants, asking "what more can we do?" Some have reported senators arbitrarily turning off their answering machines at night, or long waits on hold. Are they trying to hide from the thousands and thousands of their constituents who are raising their voices to demand that they filibuster the evasive Alito? Even if you have already sent your personal message by email or made some phone calls, we have added a FABULOUS extra function to the main action page where you can instantly lookup all your senators local district offices phone and fax numbers with just one click.

http://www.nocrony.com

SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT FILIBUSTER FRIDAY

If the other side can have a so-called "Justice Sunday", we can have our own "Filibuster Friday", and that day is tomorrow. In just the last 24 hours we have seen a major shift in momentum. Today, Senator Leahy came out with a very strong statement that he recognizes the immense threat to our freedom and democracy in allowing a dangerous and unpopular president to install a fifth and controlling vote to hold that our Constitution actually intended to create an executive dictatorship. Tomorrow we need to show our support for those senators who are starting to stand up now by hitting every phone they've got right down to the district level with our phone calls and faxes. Get all your numbers with one easy click at

http://www.nocrony.com

Those you who like to call in to progressive radio programs, we have all their call in numbers too at the site above in the right column. Call them and ask them to talk up Filibuster Friday all day and night long! Let's start early and snowball the thing all day long. Ask them to give out the easy to say and remember URL above as much as possible. Senators have said they are "undecided" on a filibuster. But we the American people HAVE decided and all our senators have to do it get it.

Some senators who are too still too cowardly to demand a filibuster are saying they will make Alito an issue in the 2006 election. It'll be an issue alright, in their OWN primaries! Any officeholder who will not stand up for this one must never hold public office in any capacity ever again. And the difference is whether you will stand up YOURSELF right now and make those calls to their local district offices. Make calls to the toll-free numbers 888-355-3588, 888-818-6641 and 800-426-8073 if you can get through there too.

It is not enough to vote "No." They must vote "Hell, NO!" It's called a filibuster. Filibuster Friday.

Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed to be ours, and forward this message to everyone else you know.

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:37 PM
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20. Well Said, Sir
The fillibuster should be attempted....

Sometimes it pays better to fight and be beaten than not to fight at all.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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The Donkey Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. Thanks
As has already been previously stated - what do we have to lose?

If the nuclear option is invoked, so be it - more fodder for this November.

There's no need so save the filibuster for something more important - this is likely the best opportunity we'll have this year.
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hoffmanmotors Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 01:11 PM
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23. miraculous intevention?
I hope you weren't really hoping for "miraculous intevention" my friend - Jesus works for Bush (Secretary of the Interior, I think)
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Innocent Smith Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 01:16 PM
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24. Nuclear Option
You didn't mention how the nuclear option plays into this.

In all the discussion of the nuclear option I don't think I have ever heard with it will change the cloture vote needed from 60 to 50 for:

1. Everything
2. Just judicial appointments
3. Just Supreme Court judicial appointments

Anyone know?

If the Nuclear Option cloture change is not for just case 3 then not only do they get Alito on the court, but they have taken an important tool out of the Dems hands going forward regarding other issues including lower court nominees. I have to think that this plays into the thinking of some Senate Dems - no filibuster means no Nuclear Option.

I am assuming that the Nuclear Option could not pass in non Supreme Court nominee situations because otherwise they would have nothing to lose by filibustering now expect for the some public beating by the media.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 01:57 PM
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28. Gang on 14 wouldn't help
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 01:58 PM by Nutmegger
because the Repuke members are head over heals concerning Alito.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

Oh and welcome to DU!!!:toast::hi:
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:38 AM
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32. Durbin Says Filibuster Still Possible
Durbin Says Filibuster Still Possible
January 21st, 2006

Senator Dick Durbin announced Thursday that he will vote against Judge Alito for the U.S. Supreme Court. Durbin made his announcement at Northwestern University Law School where he addressed hundreds of law students.

Durbin also said that so many other Democratic senators “intensely oppose Alito that they may have enough votes to sustain a filibuster against the conservative jurist.”

As the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, it’s Durbin’s job to count votes for and against Alito. He said he won’t know until Tuesday if there are enough strong opponents to filibuster Alito’s nomination.

“A week ago, I would have told you it’s not likely to happen,” Durbin said. “As of , I just can’t rule it out. I was surprised by the intensity of feeling of some of my colleagues. It’s a matter of counting. We have 45 Democrats, counting Jim Jeffords, on our side. We could sustain a filibuster if 41 senators … are willing to stand and fight."


MORE - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=1711

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 04:24 AM
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33. Democrats need to filibuster.
Edited on Sat Jan-21-06 04:25 AM by Neil Lisst
The notion that we should not filibuster because it might be viewed as obstructionist is nonsense. That is playing right into the hand of the Republicans.

There is no more important issue before us today than who sits on the Supreme Court. We're not talking about filibustering over some specious issue of dubious long-term utility. This will impact every aspect of life the next 30 years. You don't roll over and play dead because it might cause a temporary attack that we are obstructionist. So what? That is raised every time the minority party uses filibuster. Nothing new there.

The election is 10 months away, and a filibuster now will have no negative impact at that election. Elections are won and lost in the last 3 months. 90% of Americans can't name a single Supreme Court justice, so worrying about the impact in November of filibustering now is simply wrong-headed thinking.

We need 40 to stop cloture. They have to get enough votes to go to the nuclear option and I don't think they can get there. If they can, then we might as well force their hand now on the issue. Filibuster is meaningless if you're too scared to use it.

We must filibuster, and we must hold 40 for cloture.

If the Pubs try to use the nuclear option, they can expect to lose a half dozen PUB Senators on that vote.

If we can't go to the mat on Alito, we're already done in November, because you can't win elections running scared. You have to stand for something.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:16 AM
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35. Alito should be filibustered - but not because of RYBAR
The Brady Campaign is screaming that if Alito is confirmed, machine guns will literally flood the streets. Chicken Little strikes again.

Alito's argument was with a 1986 ban on the manufacture and sale of machine guns for the civilian market. Here's what the law is today and what the law will be if Alito gets his way:

As the law stands now, if you want a full-auto HK MP5, first you have to see if your state will even allow you to own such a weapon even with a Federal permit. Then you actually have to work with your registered firearms dealer on getting that permit, known as a Class 3 transfer or an NFA license, among other things. This requires a fee of $200, a waiting period of 60 days minimum, and what basically amounts to a government security check as the BATF checks your criminal record and your profile for anything suspicious. You'll probably need either a judge or your sheriff to sign off on your purchase request, too. After all that is over and done with, if the BATF gives you approval, that MP5 is yours.

If Alito gets his way, however, if you want a full-auto HK MP5, first you have to see if your state will even allow you to own such a weapon even with a Federal permit. Then you actually have to work with your registered firearms dealer on getting that permit, known as a Class 3 transfer or an NFA license, among other things. This requires a fee of $200, a waiting period of 60 days minimum, and what basically amounts to a government security check as the BATF checks your criminal record and your profile for anything suspicious. You'll probably need either a judge or your sheriff to sign off on your purchase request, too. After all that is over and done with, if the BATF gives you approval, that MP5 is yours. Only this MP5 is brand new and off the shelf, instead of being manufactured at least 20 years ago.

See how that works?

There are plenty of damn good reasons to filibuster Alito, but Rybar isn't one of them.
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