For those of you threatening to leave the Democratic party

[William769]

Here is a list of 3rd party siites to go spew your vitriol. See I made it easy for you.

http://www.americafirstparty.org/

http://www.theamericanparty.org/

http://www.americanheritageparty.org/

http://www.aipca.org/

http://www.americannaziparty.com/

http://www.americanreform.org/

http://www.falange.us/

http://www.cpusa.org/

http://www.constitution-party.net/

http://www2.ari.net/home/CAP/

http://members.aol.com/fvparty/fvparty1/

http://www.socialism.com/

http://www.vtgrassrootsparty.org/

http://www.gp.org/

http://www.greenparty.org/

http://www.mnip.org/

http://www.thelaborparty.org/

http://www.lp.org/

http://www.lightparty.com/

http://www.natural-law.org/

And of course for you closet cases.

http://www.rnc.org/

[endarkenment]

1. It isn't that I'm leaving the Democratic Party

it is that the Party keeps leaving me.

[tsuki]

25. I've said that for years. Thank you.

[MrBenchley]

26. Reagan said it too....

[400Years]

49. For those of you who want to turn the Democratic party into Republican

We won't let you so cringe in fear when they bring out Osama to scare you into supporting the patriot act, lick Alito's balls and don't dare filibuster anyting. You can do all you want while acting like cowards but there are too many of us here that will stand and fight while you play footsy with bushco.

[MrBenchley]

54. You and Ronnie Reagan....

[400Years]

56. Nope, Me and Al Gore. I'm talking about You and Zell Miller

[400Years]

57. And look at how benchly links me to Chomsky and Reagan at the same time

they guy is seriously twisting himself in knots in an effort to let Lieberman and Zell Miller run the party.

[MrBenchley]

59. You and Reagan

[400Years]

65. childish antics from a childish mind

[zanne]

67. Those of us who insist on holding our party accountable....

Want to change the way things work in Washington. If you're fine with wishing, hoping and praying that your elected representatives will be kind to you and throw you a bone every once in a while, then stay where you are. But don't criticize people who are no longer satisfied to be part of the problem.

[MrBenchley]

76. Hey, I'll criticize those I feel like criticizing....

And if you want to go, don't let the door hit you in the ass. But it's notable that those who keep threatening to leave DON'T.

[tsuki]

51. Maybe, but I don't think we're talking apples and oranges here.

[MrBenchley]

53. Couldn't prove it by me...

[holboz]

62. Amen!

Let's remember how many people voted for Kerry in the last election; nearly half of the people in this country don't like the direction Bush was/is taking us. That should have given the Dems the strength to stand up, make some noise, and represent the other half of this country that doesn't like what the Rethugs are doing to our country. There are some Dems who are standing up and doing what they can in difficult circumstances, but there are other Dems who let themselves get bullied by the Repukes and just roll over.

There are 2 Dem senators from Arkansas (Mark Pryor and Blanche Lincoln). They're moderates and it is speculated that they will vote for Alito. Evangelical christian groups are running ads like mad here in Arkansas to get people to put the pressure on Lincoln to vote for Alito.

[cyberia]

78. Nearly half the people didn't bother to vote at all.

That should tell you something about how representative our candidates are. Most had to choose which brand of corporate candidate do they prefer.

Take a look at VT independant Bernie Sanders to see what happens when you talk straight with the voters. They keep sending him back to Congress instead of an R or a D. Now it looks like he'll be elected senator in a landslide.

[ClintonTyree]

2. Thank you so much, King William769....

"spew vitriol"......ah forget it. Some people will never learn.

[William769]

4. Your welcome.

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[acmejack]

5. Ah your daily I'm the only adult here post!

It must be nice to be so smug.

[William769]

6. I'm not conceded, I'm convinced.

[Coexist]

15. you conceded to whom?

I didn't know you were running.

;)

[jonnyblitz]

28. no shit.

:puke:

[BushOut06]

7. I've always been somewhat partial to the Natural Law Party

I thought John Hagelin was a very well-spoken, intelligent candidate.

LOL - wasn't there a presidential debate that featured five or seven candidates? I believe it was the 2004 election, when Ross Perot ran for his 2nd time.

[William769]

9. I have to claim ignorance here.

I have never paid to much attention to 3rd parties.

[BushOut06]

13. it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek

I've always been somewhat fascinated in third parties, mainly because I just don't know much about them. All I remember about Hagelin was that he was bald, and I believe he might have been a college professor.

[buff2]

8. You sound like such a nice guy.......

:sarcasm: :puke:

[William769]

10. I am a nice guy except when it comes to buckeyes.

GO WOLVERINES!

[buff2]

20. LOL!

Wolverines??? LOSERS!!!!!

I could care less,though. I'm not into sports. :evilgrin:

[Javaman]

11. Thanks for the links, if we don't get control in 2006, then I'm leaving.

In the mean time I am booking marking this thread just in case.

[OneBlueSky]

12. can you provide one good reason to stay with the Democrats . . .

when they do nothing but enable the Republican agenda at every turn? . . . is there anything they're willing to stand up for? . . . I'd really like to know . . .

[European Socialist]

18. They did do good on Social Security and ANWR--but a broken clock...

is right twice a day. That's all I can think of in the past 5 years.

[quinnox]

14. Why don't they stop talking about it and just do it

Maybe because most of them are just being dramatic? Who knows.

[Dr Fate]

16. Or, DEMs could filibuster and rally and unify the base like never before.

n/t

[The Magistrate]

17. Speaking Purely As A Strategist, Doctor

That does seem the best course available.

But if it is not taken, sulking in our tents will serve us poorly....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Dr Fate]

19. The Democrats have the wheel, not us.

They can either do what we want, or do what they think "swing-voters" want.

Me, Sulking- no.

Me forgetting the hundreds of times the DEMs ignored the base? A "no" to that as well.

I'm not quitting the party, but unless there is a mind eraser machine, I'll be less encouraged to raise over $35,000 for them like I did in '04.

I may just spend more time with people who listen to me, like my family.

[The Magistrate]

22. My Comment Was Not Meant Personally, Doctor

Please accept my apology for inexact expression.

One point, though, seems worth restating here, as a general proposition. To my understanding, a "base" is something that can be relied on utterly, as a solid support. If it needs courting and mollifying, it is not a base, but merely one group in play, like any other. People claiming to constitute the "base" of the Party ought to view with equanamity, it seems to me, whatever manouvers seem necessary to add auxiliary weight to the Party's numbers, particularly at a time when the Party is decisively out of power.

[Dr Fate]

24. You are always polite- I did not take it personaly.

but I *Do* take being ignored by the Democrats personaly.

Democrats who I have worked hard for in 3 states and on the national level w/ the DNC.

I'll bet they would listen to some lobbyist who gave them $35,000. They dont even know who I am.

Apparently they listen really hard to what the media says "swing-voters" want though.

I'm not in the mood for your academics- I could barely understand what you are even saying. Filibuster and unify the base or refuse to listen to them and hope they still show support, its as simple as that.

I need to get back to work- have a great day.

[paulk]

43. worth restating over and over

maybe the "base" around here, the one that's always threatening to leave, will take it to heart...

[AtomicKitten]

23. that's the ticket NT

[AZBlue]

21. ROFL!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

(you forgot freerepublic.com, but I think some of them already know all about it anyway)....

[William769]

27. WOW!!!

I guess I must have touched a raw nerve.

Well here is something else to keep in mind from the DU rules.

"You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website."

[Aaaargh]

29. I thought flamebait posts were supposed to get locked here

[William769]

30. How is this flame bait?

Unless you are referring to sticking up for the Democratic party.

[frylock]

46. you list the american nazi party and don't consider it flamebait..

this shit should have been locked down hours ago.

[William769]

47. It's a political party

I just was trying to give all options. But I know how people here hate that.

[guidod]

31. Nice job William 769!

You made my day. For those of you who don't like our party, leave. If you don't leave, quit threatening and give us a hand.

Number 1 thread of the day. Bravo!

[William769]

32. Your welcome.

B-)

[High Plains]

33. Fine, as long as you promise not to bitch when the progressive

third party candidate keeps your Dem out of office.

[William769]

34. If that happens I will bitch

But thats the biggest If I ever saw.

Did you not understand the rules?

[High Plains]

35. I am sure you will

You folks are pretty good at inviting progressives to get the hell out, and then whining when they actually do.

It happened in 2000, as you folks are so fond of complaining.

Did you see me advocating the defeat of a Democratic candidate? I don't need you to tell me the rules.

[William769]

36. And we are in the mess today because of 2000

If you are not a Democrat If you do anything to harm the Democratic party, you are no better than the cabal running this Government right now. This site is for Democrats and if you don't like that idea don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.

[Name removed]

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[William769]

38. Could have fooled me.

On edit: such eloquent language.

[High Plains]

39. Based on what, precisely?

You invite non-DLC asskissers to leave the party.

I suggest that if they do so, they will vote for third party candidates, as was the case in 2000.

Maybe you might want to find ways of keeping progressive in the party instead of inviting them to leave.

[William769]

40. I'm not asking anyone to kiss the DLC's ass

I just don't want to see the bashing of fellow Democrats (I didn't say discussion I said bashing). I don't have a problem with the left or the far left after all the Democratic party is a big tent if only the progressive's could remember that.

[Name removed]

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[William769]

42. Thank you for arguing my point.

Have a nice day. :)

[bigjohn16]

44. Do you agree that the Dems threw womens rights under the bus...

... by not filibustering? Do you care?

[William769]

45. Remember what this thread is about

I will state it again "For those of you threatening to leave the Democratic party" see the above links. I am not debating policy about peoples threats, I gave them an option on where they could go. Actually I thought I was being helpful.

Yes I do care about Womens right but to threaten to leave the Democratic party is in no way going to help the cause. Your serve.

On edit: spelling.

[bigjohn16]

48. Somethings gotta change this isn't working anymore, they don't care...

... what we think. The reason they don't care is because we've never withheld our vote, hell the left is damn close to losing everything we've worked for over the the past five decades, what more do we have to lose. Love it or leave it is a ploy of the right.

[stepnw1f]

50. Some of the People Pissing and Moaning are Not Dems

but outsiders wanting to squelch our efforts. Others are really worried or pissed off.

Either way... it's not productive, especially now. I hope people read your post and realize what they are doing is not helpful. Kudos friend.

[jonnyblitz]

52. and snarky ,assholish posts like this ARE productive.?

unfuckingbelievable.

[MrBenchley]

55. A lot more productive than the sort of shit being slung about by those

pouting and announcing they're hitting the bircks.

[stepnw1f]

58. Excuse Me? What's Your Problem?

What in my post is "Snarky and Assholish"?

[MrBenchley]

60. His problem is

that this thread points up the hypcorisy and dishonesty of so many here...and he doesn't like it.

[stepnw1f]

61. Yeah... That's What it Looks Like (nt)

[leanin_green]

72. May want to watch out for flying glass when you throw that stone. n/t

[MrBenchley]

77. Why not go over to Green Underground and argue that?

Oh that's right...the Green party is over here, ratfucking the DU forum. But then the Greens are toxic to voters and little more than a GOP dirty trick.

[leanin_green]

81. Because I'm a Democrat and would rather get in YOUR face instead.

It's people with your mentality that need to be stood up to in this
party before its ruined for true liberals who aren't afraid of constructive criticism and seek to come together rather than create factions that promote disruption.

So, I'll stay right here. Deal with it! :spank: :grr: :kick:

[William769]

70. Whats snarky about it?

People wanting to leave, I gave them an alternative. But I get the feeling that people that don't like this thread just are here to be disrupter's.

[leanin_green]

74. Disrupter's or debaters? You have to admit. . .

this post(contrary to the message that many continue to bemoan about party unity and what not)only adds fuel to the fire. How liberal is it to proclaim, "Love it or Leave it?" Because that's the mentality that you are displaying by posting this kind of inflammatory rhetoric.

Instead of showing people the door, why not try and understand their frustration with members of our own party. Or is there room for debate anymore? Even though my moniker points to the direction of my liberal politics, I'm still steadfastly Democratic and will remain so. If for no other reason than to stand up to crap like this.

[William769]

69. Don't mention it.

:)

[PeterSullivan2006]

63. Falangists in America?

Yeeks! Those guys did such a bang-up job in Lebanon in the 1980s, didn't they?

[ronnie624]

64. The issues and challenges we must deal with

in the comming decades are large in number and serious in nature. They include in no particular order:
-global warming and envioranmental degradation
-dramatic increases in human populations
-food and water shortages
-the potential for new pandemics
-decreasing energy supplies
-the rise of fudamentalist regimes with a hostility toward education
(How else are we to deal with the above problems in an atmosphere
of anti-intellectualism)
-and on and on

Re-establishing the status quo simpty will NOT do. Human civilization will not long survive it. Nothing short of revolutionary change will work IMHO.

So forgive me if I don't line up and scream *Ra! Ra! Go Dems!* on que.

[Snivi Yllom]

66. I've been waiting for someone to post this

Because when Alito is confirmed with less than 60 votes there is going to be an ungodly amount of thrashing, self-immolation, gnashing, party bashing, and general expressions of finality of affinity with the Democratic Party.

[William769]

71. Ready & waiting.

We can't always have what we want.

[NVMojo]

68. the democratic party is merely the least of two evils

we really have no other choice. how pathetic is that?

[Geek_Girl]

73. Is there a green party forum

I would like to check it out if there is one.

[leanin_green]

75. Good Answer!

Here ya go:

http://www.greenparty.org

Because if this is how the majority of the people of my party think, then perhaps we should look elsewhere, or you, I and others who think alike should band together to stand up to these people.

[stevietheman]

79. I'm an independent who mostly votes for Democrats...but

if the filibuster of Alito doesn't happen, I'm sitting out this year's primary and general elections. It's too critical, and the Dems need to know what's at stake if Alito isn't stopped. Otherwise, what's the point of voting for Dems? If they don't stand up and act, why vote for them?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

80. william why would ANY Democrat make it easy to leave us?

You should give them a link to he repuke party too, I mean, if you're wanting to reduce votes for the Democratic party why not send them there as well? The end result is the same... Dems lose... Especially if freepers can fragment our vote between parties that have no chance of even winning 2% of the total voters.