What do you think of this new bumper sticker supporting Kerry?

[El Supremo]

I think it sucks because it is negative. I want the unused 2004 campaign money I sent to Kerry returned to me. Or at least given to a better candidate like Wes Clark.

>edited subject line to make me look less stupid to Wild Eyed Liberal

[NYCGirl]

1. Sounds like he's chastising people.

Or is he referring to his own campaign team?

[WildEyedLiberal]

8. He didn't put out any bumperstickers, so neither

Really, that's a very simplistic design for an official bumpersticker, not to mention Kerry hasn't announced. The OP is being deliberately disingenuous.

[NYCGirl]

11. OK, whoever wrote it sounds like he's chastising us.

Better?

[seabeyond]

53. i took it those that voted for bush, get it right this time

and i agree that op is playing some games here which we really dont need since kerry has done nothing on this so certainly shouldnt be an attack thread on kerry

[sandnsea]

2. Kerry hasn't issued any bumper stickers

So that's false right there. How much did you donate to the campaign?

[El Supremo]

13. I just got an e-mail from KerryGear08 [e-mail]

Go here:

http://www.campaignsource.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=D566&Category_Code=EXP

[sandnsea]

19. Those aren't Dem bumper stickers

They're just a bunch made from this company.

http://www.campaignsource.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CSC&Category_Code=EXP

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. So it's a group supporting Kerry in 2008

Are all internet sites/vendors supporing a candidate directly affiliated with the candidate? Um, no.

This isn't that hard to understand.

[sandnsea]

27. It's a business selling political stuff

Not even a group supporting Kerry.

[blm]

41. Sounds more like a bizness making money off all prospective candidates.

.

[FreedomAngel82]

60. Right

He's just helping with other canidates now traveling around and campaigning for them. Whenever he's asked about 2008 he ALWAYS says to focus on 2006. I think if he is going to run he won't announce until 2007. If you go to c-span.org and type in John Kerry look for him on "Road to the White House" from August 8th, 2003. A reporter asked him about Howard Dean trying to bait Kerry into bashing Dean (which he didn't) and he hadn't even publically announced he was running so it'll probably be like that again I would imagine.

[blm]

3. Is that FROM Kerry or FROM someone selling bumperstickers?

Because I haven't seen anything like that at his site. He has no 2008 bumperstickers at his site.

[sandnsea]

12. It's not from Kerry

I remember that we were wildly infiltrated with supposed Dean supporters back in 2003 who really divided the party. That has to be happening with some of these supposed Clark supporters now, exact same tactics. Constant attack of the party, from all angles. It's getting to be a bit too obvious.

[FreedomAngel82]

61. And with Kerry and his merchandise

aren't they always on his *official* site?

[sui generis]

4. yes it makes it look like WE fucked up

He's just not going to take us there.

On the plus side, he's a gentleman, not a mudslinger and will add to the debate if he runs and help focus the issues.

On the negative side: no.

[blm]

7. "WE" fuck up every time we believe whatever is posted.

.

[sui generis]

24. well you have to go with goodwill until proven otherwise

or else live in paranoia.

It's all good - I did think it odd that there wasn't an assplosion on DU about Kerry announcing, but who the hell has time to be omniscient?

That's why we rely on each other and goodwill, until proven otherwise.

[seabeyond]

54. looks to me like those that bush are the ones that fucked up n/t

[WildEyedLiberal]

5. Kerry didn't put that out

Some private vender did. Don't be dumb.

[GrumpyGreg]

6. I agree---some idiot will paraphrase it to read "Let's get further

to the right this time"

We all know what was done wrong---I just want to hear how what is going to be done to change it.

[napi21]

9. I don't like it either. It's too dull! Wouldn't even be seen 10' away.

Now that I said that, I don't want him to run again. He had his chance, he fought poorly, he lost! And I don't want to hear the BS about the voting machines either! A Dem candidate had EVERYTHING going to him in 04, and should have won by a high majority! I don't give candidates a second chance!

[WildEyedLiberal]

14. Um, A) Kerry didn't put this out.

B) Just because DU hates Bush doesn't mean everyone does, so people need to stop believing their own fantasy that the 2004 election was a cakewalk. Bush was polling 70% in 2003 so let's stop pretending that it was the Democrat's election to lose, because that is a lie.

C) Re: no second chances, I trust you not to support Dean, Clark, Edwards, or Kucinich in 2008. After all, a loser is a loser.

[napi21]

36. Actually, I would prefer a brand new face! However,

when I said no second chance, I'm not referring to any who simply ran in the primary, but the ones who make it though the primary and into the General. I simply don't think the way Kerry campaigns is effective. Even now, he still tries to over explain everything! Most people just tune that stuff out. Especially when answering direct questions, a forceful "I didn't" is much better than, "well, you have to understand......."

Kerry is a smart guy, and communicates well with other Senators, just not very well with average people.

[WildEyedLiberal]

40. You should listen to more of his recent interviews

He's been on Ed Schultz and various talking head shows, and been great. Short, direct, pithy sentences, and he's hitting hard. He learned more from 2004 than you give him credit for. Go to www.wegoted.com and download his last interview with Ed... he RIPS Repuke corruption and takes on the idea of a "liberal media." It's pretty glorious stuff.

[FreedomAngel82]

62. Definitley

He's even stated that he has learned from 2004, so if he does run again I'm sure he'll do a better job and won't use the same advisors. When he ran for the Congress and Senate he failed, so should he have given up then? No way! I'm tired of this "oh they're losers since they 'lost' and shouldn't run again." Whatever. Kerry is still a strong canidate and does a great job in the Senate. I love when he went to Littleton, New Hampshire (c-span.org and type in 'John Kerry' and look for him on 'Road to the White House' from August 8th, 2003) and he went around shops and got to know people about their income's and health insurance plans.

[ChipsAhoy]

15. Owww - you don't think the machines factored in?

But, he should have won by a high majority, no doubt. Sometimes I still can't believe the results.

PS - I also don't give candidates a second chance. That's why I recently said I don't think Edwards should run -- UNLESS he runs in the VP slot with my guy, Wes.

[WildEyedLiberal]

18. You're giving Clark a second chance, then, too

He ran and lost in 2004. Be consistent.

[ChipsAhoy]

23. Kerry was on the ballot.

There are so many people who never even got to know Clark. IMO, he didn't even have a first chance.

[FreedomAngel82]

63. Clark was on ballots too

And Clark's own fault with that since he got into the primaries late.

[napi21]

35. I didn't say the machines didn't factor in, but I don't think a broad

margin win could have been hidden. I really think there's been a real problem for YEARS with very close elections. After all, I voted for many years on the old lever machines, but I can't tell you they were any more accurate, or couldn't be tampered with!

As far as Edwards, I don't think he's as attractive a candidate now as he was in 04, but when I say second chance, I'm not talking about anybody who might have run in a primary in the past. I'm talking about a candidate who made it though the primaries and into the General.

[ChipsAhoy]

43. I respect you for saying that - takes courage.

I am still mad about the Diebold machines, but I guess I'm also mad about the close margin of votes too. (I try not to think about that.) I guess it's only human nature to try and lay blame AWAY from our guy - that's why I respect you for saying what you did.

I know you are sincere in saying it, as sad as it is. Thanks.

[BlueIris]

48. Don't know why I'm bothering to point this out, yet again, but:

IT WASN'T CLOSE AT ALL.

Please, do some research.

We have excellent resources here and people who can point you in the direction of real, valid information which will explain to you what actually happened. If you still want to believe Bush keeping the WH was Kerry's "fault" after all of that, or that a different candidate would have a better chance of getting there from our side in the future, fine, but--even the most ardent Kerry critics I know couldn't believe those things after getting all the facts. Sometimes, I'd like to get those critics (who still don't love JK, or anything, if you care) together in a big hallway, along with everyone who continues to ignore the evidence, and have them explain it to you. If admitted Kerry fans (who also spend hundreds of hours online researching the fraud) can't get you to learn about it, well, maybe that bias is just too big a stumbling block for you to deal with.

Seriously. Start with the election forum here, follow the links, use your brain. Figure out how your guy is going to get around this problem next time. You'd better get started now. If he wants to win by a bigger margin than Kerry, if that is the only thing you believe will ensure his election, that mystery man better get cracking.

[ChipsAhoy]

49. Blue --- the blue and red map

As sick as it makes me and as many times as I've had it shoved in my face, the red and blue map show that it wasn't close. YES, the electoral votes were, but not the county by county damn map.

And, as I said, the Diebold machines must be factored in, but they alone didn't lose us the race.

[WildEyedLiberal]

51. That's because about 2 people live in the entire expanse of Montana

As opposed to the 10 million people that live in the tiny NE corner of Illinois that is Chicago/Cook County.

Who cares how many square miles were "red"? It doesn't mean anything when the vast majority of those counties have twice as many sheep and cattle as human beings. Population density is what matters, and all the densely populated regions where most of the people in this country actually live went for Kerry.

[ChipsAhoy]

75. It wasn't just Montana - the map is almost all red, but

I like your reasoning. I'll have to remember that the next time a Pub shoves that map in my face. I post on some other "moderate" boards where the Pub's are still gloating over the red and blue map. Makes me sick.

Thanks for the good idea on how to respond in the future.

[KC21304]

56. Why don't we just let the people with the most land

decide who should be president. :silly:

[FreedomAngel82]

64. Well gee

that darn liberal media really helped a lot right? :sarcasm:

[JanusAscending]

87. Hmm.....................

Hope you never need one !! ( a second chance, that is ) What if he does run, and get's the nomination "without your vote", will you vote for a Repub instead?

[CBGLuthier]

10. We don't need to get it right

We need to "do the right thing."

By which I mean that whoever runs as Dem for president must not be nice. Must not respect Bush.

They must call him out for the lieing, murdering monsters he and his adminstration are.

They must point out 100% that this country is heading down the road to moral and financial ruin and GWB and Dick are driving the car.

Oh well, still time for someone worthwhile to run.

[WildEyedLiberal]

16. Actually, let's not focus on Bush in 2008 since he won't be the candidate

I'm glad most Democrats are less myopic about Bush than some people want them to be, because you need an agenda besides "God, I hate Bush", especially when Bush CAN'T RUN AGAIN.

[ChipsAhoy]

26. His brother, JEB ...... J'08

That is the sign in my neighbor's window. UGHHHHHH!!!

[WildEyedLiberal]

30. That's nasty

I don't think Jebbie will be the nominee, though. I don't think it'll be McCain, either... someone like Allen or Brownback has more of a chance IMO.

[ChipsAhoy]

42. Scary too.

I'm SO ready to not hear the BUSH name again. I can't imagine having to deal with it in 2008.

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Or maybe even Romney or whatever his name is from

Massachettes. He will be really different I think but he isn't quite so fundie is he? I think Allen will be it for some reason. (call it a 'gut' feeling)

[CBGLuthier]

31. No, but

Whoever runs as Republican will be riding on the Bushco wagon.

In 2004, Kerry seemed almost afraid to call out Bush for what he is.

In 2008, the debate will be entirely about the direction we are going. Bush put us on that road and any republican candidate will certainly be someone who credits Bush for "saving" america.

This god damn mis-administration will be more than just a blip in history. It will affect the next 20 years. We may never be able to undo the damage their policies have caused world wide.

[BigYawn]

85. The status of "economy" will most likely pick the winner in 2008

IMO Bush41 lost in 1992 because the country was in a
recession. In Nov 2000, again, the stock market bubble
was clearly in a downtrend. That caused some vote loss
from those people who were getting burned.

Right or wrong, people always blame the party in power.

If economy is still in good shape (low unemployment,
high corporate profits and moderate CPI) that will
undoubtedly help the GOP. But if economy is getting
worse, count on a change of parties in the WH.

[FreedomAngel82]

65. But also remember

that the DNC under McAullife didn't allow much Bush bashing at the convention. Remember what happened with Al Sharpton at the convention? So I think with Dean as chairman of the DNC this next time it will be so much better in 2008. He (Dean) I'm sure is working a lot on learning more about campaigning etc. So I'm into seeing what happens with this midterm.

[THUNDER HANDS]

17. if anyone thinks this is actually from Kerry

please. I'll give you an address, send me all your money.

[WildEyedLiberal]

21. Haha

Either the OP is really not that bright, or he's being deliberately disingenuous. I have my suspicions.

[sui generis]

32. what a bunch of asses we can be.

is it really necessary to posture rather than inform? Do you really think everyone here is that stupid or that paranoid? Why imply it?

Man, did everyone eat broken glass for lunch?

(the broader you, not "you" specifically)

silliness -

[WildEyedLiberal]

34. I just think that, given the tone of the OP

It's pretty obvious what he's trying to do. At first glance I can see how someone wouldn't doubt him, but to make the OP, the dude clearly saw the bumper sticker on a website he knew was not affiliated with Kerry, knew it was not connected to Kerry, and yet posts it on DU, adding in some ridiculous anti-Kerry bits in a clear attempt to foster resentment.

I don't blame you or whoever for not getting it, I'm just saying it's pretty clear that the OP knows what he's doing.

[sui generis]

37. but but but

you impugned our intellect!!!!

sorry for my crabbiness

:rofl:

okay, happy hour is calling. Have a great weekend -!

[WildEyedLiberal]

38. You too!

:toast:

[teriyaki jones]

22. I looked at the website and noticed that it's removable n/t

[TallahasseeGrannie]

25. It's from Kerry? Really?

I didn't know he was running.

[WildEyedLiberal]

28. No, no no

He may run, he hasn't announced yet.

That is NOT from Kerry. It's from some independent vendor who sells Candidate '08 stuff.

[Larissa238]

33. Read the rest of the replies

It seems to be very much bogus.

[gasperc]

29. it kinda sounds like Kerry wants a 2nd chance

when I'm sure they mean let's get it right and not re-elect another republican for president.

and this doesn't come from the Kerry campaign but from a campaign website that supports democrats

[FreedomAngel82]

67. This is NOT from him

Kerry has NOT talked about 2008. Whenever he is asked about 2008 he ALWAYS says to focus on 2006. And if this was from Kerry, which it isn't, it would be on his official website.

[July]

39. Where's the 2nd sticker from, El Supremo?

I'd like to get one.

[El Supremo]

44. Evolvefish.com

They have lots of good ones.

http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/stickers-ss11.html

[July]

45. Thanks. I like the way it fakes out the Bush-lovers. nt

[Radical Activist]

46. Looking less stupid to WildEyedLiberal is one of my main goals in life.

;)

[WildEyedLiberal]

47. Hey, good to know I make the list.

Don't you just hate it when people post things with an agenda, then, once you point out said agenda, disingenuously claim that they have no IDEA what you're trying to imply?

And your post in that other DNC thread was pretty awesome, I might add.

[wisteria]

50. THIS IN NOT AN OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN ITEM. KERRY HAS NOTHING

to do with it.It is a political store that sells all different items for all different candidates-even Republicans.

That said, I understand-I think-what they are trying to say here. "We" the people made a mistake the last time, "Let's Get it Right This Time". It can be misinterpreted though and some may take it that Kerry and the Dem party screwed up last time.

I would love to by a Kerry 2008 sticker, but this one I haven't decided on.
I think they could come up with a better slogan. This can be taken the wrong way by people who voted for Bush and by those who want to make a joke out of it.

THE PINS ARE BETTER AND IT IS A NICE PICTURE OF KERRY.

[WildEyedLiberal]

52. Here's the Kerry 2008 sticker I have

http://www.demstore.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/scstore/Kerry/bumpersticker.html?L+scstore+gcnl2015ff927992+1140332178

I like it because it's the same simple design only with "2008" in the corner.

[FreedomAngel82]

68. I like it too

[wisteria]

69. Oh, I have that one to.

I like variety though, that is why I was hoping this new one would have had a better slogan on it. Did you check out the button? It is nice-picture and all.

[Capn Sunshine]

55. I think it's a lost cause

Thanks for everything, John.
Look forward, not back.

[Zhade]

57. I think it sucks because I'm not interested in him running again.

:shrug:

[zulchzulu]

58. As someone who supports Kerry in 2008, it looks amateurish

The tagline is idiotic on a couple levels. And of course, it's not official...
Is this an attempt to start some kind of lame Kerry bashing thread?

:eyes:

[CarlSheeler4U]

59. Sheeler - Let's stay focused on winning Congressional Seats in '06

Sure I'm running, but we might have a lot more clout to help the likelihood of a Democratic president in '08. Personally, I think we can do more than Kerry.

[Capn Sunshine]

70. Fuckin' A , Carl!

Fuckin' A.

[WildEyedLiberal]

71. Erm, good for you

I disagree.

[wisteria]

72. Personally ,I think we CAN'T do better than Kerry. I'm all for 2006,

and I have signed up to volunteer in my area for several campaigns, but I am still hoping for 2008. Personally, if Hillary or Warner are our candidates we will lose.I don't hold much hope out for the others being named right now either.

[CarlSheeler4U]

77. Feingold or Clark? Some good Guvs out there too

[wisteria]

78. Nope-Maybe Clark as a VP, but Feingold apparently can't even

hold his marriages together, how does he expect to bring the country together?

[CarlSheeler4U]

91. I am not sure that's the criteria I would use....

.... we can expect hypocrisy if we hold our leaders to a standard that we don't ever dare set for ourselves.

[musical_soul]

73. If he couldn't get it right the first time...

then I don't want to see him run again. Please Kerry, don't!

Love your sigline.

[wisteria]

79. I don't see where he actually got much wrong the last time. Oh come

on, this old Democratic notion that one chance is it is really ridiculous. It throws some of our best people out of the running for simple losing a race. Reagan lost races, Clinton lost races, Nixon too. What ever happened to the saying if you first don't succeed try try again. Or how about, you can't win them all. Or how about the Steelers, they didn't win last year with the same players,but came back this year to take the top prize.

[NVMojo]

74. KERRY should be president right now! The election was stolen &

there is no guarantee Dems will ever turn it around with the machines.

[LittleClarkie]

84. Now there's a slogan: Re-elect President Kerry 2008

Yeah baby.

[Totally Committed]

76. What does it mean?

Does it mean he will manage his campaign differently or he will run the country differently? Whoever wrote it is a bit "off"... unless it was meant to be ambiguous.

I don't think he should even ettempt a run in 2008, but that is ONLY a personal opinion, and should be a surprise to no one here.

TC

[wisteria]

81. I am happy that many people here and elsewhere do not share that

opinion.

[blue cat]

80. I still have a thing for Kerry

I really like him and would be proud to vote for him in 2008.

[zann725]

82. Best bumper sticker I saw recently was "Stewart/Colbert '08"

While clearly NOT serious, just the thought of debates and campaigning had me laughing at the astute, Truthful 'possibilities' for days.

[LittleClarkie]

83. Did you donate to Gore? Did you ask for that back too?

Gore had about as much left at the end as Kerry, including GELAC. Check out www.opensecrets.com and see. How much did you think it was btw? The original report of beaucoup moolah came from Donna Brazille, the woman who ran Gore's campaign, and who has lunch with Rove. I don't much trust her. She's too cosy with Republicans on occasion.

Meanwhile, did you give to Kerry during the primaries? If not, then he spent your money on the campaign. It was the primary money he had left. But even if it was YOUR money he had left from the general election, I'm not sure why you think you get that money back. There was no money back guarantee if he didn't win. Even if in your mind, you gave to ABB, in reality you gave to Kerry. No take backs.

Like Gore before him, if he doesn't run, he will likely cough up funds for the guy who gets the nomination.

I do believe he's seriously considering running however, in which case he'll be using it. And not everyone agrees on who the better candidate would be. I reckon he believes he is. Some think Hillary is. Others like Bayh. Some want Feingold. That's what the primaries will be for. I'll be backing Kerry. I think he would make a wondrous president as he is very, very qualified, and a very, very good man. I also think he's learned from the mistakes of the last campaign. Y'all can back who you like. See you at the finish line in 2008. Catch us if you can. :P

As for slogans, I rather like the one on my car: Support Kerry 2008. It's simple, but it says it. I have both of these:





Which I got from here:

http://SupportKerry08.com/

[TexasLawyer]

86. Is that a joke?

Really-- It's that bad.

[FormerDittoHead]

88. Get it "RIGHT"? THIS IS TERRIBLE!!!

The 'pun' implication of the slogan is TERRIBLE and self defeating!

[Lorien]

89. Is that real or a Freeper joke?

"Let's get it right this time"? What, run a better campaign? Demand fair voting? Not concede when the other guys cheat? Probably someone having a little "fun" at our expense.

[high density]

90. Kerry had his chance, blew it

Kerry couldn't win with the massive ABB campaign behind him, so he's never going to come close without that. I'm glad I didn't send Kerry too much money given that he and his handlers evidently didn't have a clue what was going on with the dynamic of the voters.

[second edition]

92. I'll stick with my Kerry 2008 sticker ,it is plain and simple. This one

could be taken wrong by voters and may make them angry. It sounds like you were wrong before, now get it right.