The Rich, Religious, Gun-Toting Racist Party... I Mean, the GOP.

[evilkumquat]

A casual observer cannot help but notice that every Republican out there can be lumped into one of the following categories: the wealthy, the religious, the bigoted or a gun nut. As insane as it sounds, this means the Republican Party’s base is comprised of a group of people who would never want to be around each other ordinarily.

THE WEALTHY: What rich guy wants to be around religious people? Churches are always asking for donations, and the wealthy are generally loath to part with any cash if it can be helped. For this reason, people with money are seldom comfortable around guns because what better way is there to lose cash than via a guy waving a Saturday Night Special and shouting? Further, the rich tend to shower regularly, and those with good hygiene do not often choose to spend their time surrounded by inbred, slack-jawed hillbilly racists unable to reach twenty when counting their fingers, toes and teeth.

THE RELIGIOUS: True “Christians” (as opposed to those that merely use faith as a means to promote their own selfish agenda) have it under no lesser authority than the Bible itself that the rich are damned (something about a camel, the eye of a needle and how easy one goes inside the other). Jesus, who said “love thy neighbor”, has to be a hard pill for bigots to swallow since they are full of hate for everyone except members of their own narrow racial, religious or sexual orientation. Christians should also have a huge problem with guns since guns kill people, and killing people is the first thing banned by the Ten Commandments.

THE BIGOTED: Bigots are generally the byproduct of ignorance, which is usually caused by poverty, and name one poor person who loves the rich. True Christians are taught to love everyone, which runs counter to the core beliefs of the average bigot. Finally, in this country, blacks can buy guns as easily as whites, which would give even the Klan pause for thought if they decided to stage an impromptu rope party.

GUN NUTS: Gun nuts are just plain afraid of everyone else- rich, religious or bigoted. For evidence, look no further than the fact that these people argue for the legality of fully automatic assault rifles loaded with Teflon-coated bullets for taking down animals whose hides are thin enough that pointed sticks had been doing an adequate job for years.

How in the hell did a group of people like this decide to all join the same party?

More importantly, why in the hell are the Democrats constantly losing to a group of people like this?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. Teflon-coated bullets for taking down animals

whose hides are thin enough that pointed sticks had been doing an adequate job for years.

:rofl:

[MrBenchley]

13. In Wyoming, the Republican idiots

are trying to pass a bill allowing hunters to use silencers AND machine guns....(and no I'm not kidding)...

http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2006/02/09/news/wyoming/c46741f0be7fa75187257110006178c1.txt

And in a bunch of states the Republicans are trying to ram through "license to kill" bills which would effectively legalize murder if the shooter claims "self-defense."

In a couple of states, Republicans are trying to pass a bill forbidding employers from prohibiting guns in the workplace...

And the GOP shitheads in Alaska are going to allow concealed weapons in bars....because what could go wrong with a place full of armed drunks?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

15. Oh my God. What have you done with the real Benchley?!

He and I couldn't possibly be agreeing on something! :P

[MrBenchley]

16. LOL!

[f-bush]

2. Couldn't have said it better myself. and add one more segment

the lazy...those who wish to get their news rom Fox and their ilk or from the administration. Those who wish not to think for themselves and not have to do any more research than a thirty second sound site and those who wish to form their political opinions and obligation to society by listening to a bunch a lunatic ranting right wing assholes on the radio that pass off info-tainment as the the "gospel"!!

[AGKISTRODON]

3. What about democrat "gun nuts"?

"GUN NUTS: Gun nuts are just plain afraid of everyone else- rich, religious or bigoted. For evidence, look no further than the fact that these people argue for the legality of fully automatic assault rifles loaded with Teflon-coated bullets for taking down animals whose hides are thin enough that pointed sticks had been doing an adequate job for years".

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You are so absolutely wrong. You are painting with too broad a brush.
I guess you must not approve of me, either! I won't apologize for owning guns, and hunting most of my life. This is my party, too, and you don't get to set the membership requirements.

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

7. I am a democrat, a Democrat and I believe in the 2nd Amendment!

... Reason?

I refuse to trust the State to protect me and mine, and I'm DAMNED if I'll be out-gunned by the State... ANY State!

Funny: I recall back in the 60s we used to be told NEVER trust the State! Now, we so-called "free-thinkers" want to disarm, without asking who will protect us from a rapacious, predatory, state... There must have been a memo circulated informing us survivors of the 60s that it was now OK to trust the Police...

I must have missed that memo!

[MrBenchley]

11. LOL!

You know, there once was a time when this sort of "I need my popgun for the glorious revolution" rhetoric was consigned to the far fringe...but now our "pro gun democrats" seem to spout it every two mniutes.

And by the way, you DON't believe in the Second Amendment...you seem to believe in the NRA's lies about what it means. Every court in the land and the Founding Fathers agree that the Second Amendment grants a collective right to a well regulated state militia, of the sort that has evolved into the National Guard.

[MrBenchley]

10. What about them?

Clearly they're either so few that they aren't a pimple on a gnat's rear end, or they're happily in sync with the rancid stew of racist right wing craziness that makes up "discussion" in the gun nut world.

I suggest anyone honestly interested go down and do an advanced search in the gungeon for the summer and fall of 2004 on the word "Kerry" and then the word "Bush"...and note the flood of right wing bilge ladled out by our "pro gun democrats" against our war hero and their mysterious inability to find even mildly negative things to say about Chimpy the corrupt drunk.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=68667

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=86396

[evilkumquat]

14. You Are Correct

I have painted with a brush broad enough to coat Rush Limbaugh's boil-infested ass in one stroke.

One cannot deny, however, that the majority of the gun nuts are GOP; that party bases a large chunk of its platform on this idea.

However, before you get the wrong idea about me, I am all for the Second Amendment and, unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that any restrictions placed upon it constitutes as much a violation of the Constitution than any act of the FCC banning free speech on our airwaves.

I used to be very anti-gun, but after being appalled by the lack of respect for the First Amendment that has become the vogue in this country, I realized I was being a hypocrite in my stance against the Second.

Evil Kumquat

[Jeffersons Ghost]

25. and AGISTRODON...

you forgot to mention your 2nd Amendment and our NEWEST RIGHT. By Vice Presidential decree, Repukes are finally in season but take care when hunting them because many are said to resemble quail.

[Blue_Tires]

4. good insights n/t

and welcome to the site

[Skittles]

5. I've noticed another large group here in the metroplex

large numbers of educated folk wo are not really wealthy, religious, gun nuts or overtly bigoted - they seem to vote GOP for one sole reason: because that's what their parents did

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

6. Don't forget the sheep...

... those who must be led...

... those who require a master...

... those who refuse to grow up and be responsible... accountable...

:rant:

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

8. Let me add one more point in defense of "Gun Nuts"...

... considering the reliability of the meat-packing and meat-processing industries (Can YOU say "Tyson?) I don't trust any meat I haven't hunted and killed myself, but I REFUSE to be a vegan just because it suits some leftie's notions of spirituality...

I am an omnivore... I am also a "thank-you-vore": I eat anything that doesn't eat me first, put up one hell of fight if it tries, and give fervent thanks for every morsel!

:rant: Not all of us who use weapons are blood-thirsty freaks... I resent being so stereotyped... especially by people who claim to be above such bigotry!

[FormerDittoHead]

9. Republican "Gun Nuts" are misguide anti-establishment...

Talk radio has *somehow* defined the "establishment" as the Democrat party.

Hell, there's this guy Fred Barnes who wrote "Rebel in Chief" that STILL is trying to make it sound like the Democrats control Washington, and Bush is some kind of anti-establishment guy - but that's the point - the DEMOCRATS are the 'establishment' wanting POWER, and those poor, grass roots Republicans, fighting for individual freedoms, etc.

[FormerDittoHead]

12. Also - it's not The Wealthy - it's the GREEDY...

First off, yes, their CONTRIBUTORS are wealthy, but the vast majority of this catagory are the wealthy wanna-bes.

I won't recap this, but basically, they want all the protections and services of government, but when it comes to paying for them, all they can think of are welfare moms - they don't understand that without the LAW, their ability to make money (let alone infrastructure, education, etc) wouldnt' be there and they should put back to which they have taken.

Many of the (non-greedy) wealthy understand this and give back to their community...

[benEzra]

17. DEMS OWN GUNS TOO...

GUN NUTS: Gun nuts are just plain afraid of everyone else- rich, religious or bigoted. For evidence, look no further than the fact that these people argue for the legality of fully automatic assault rifles loaded with Teflon-coated bullets for taking down animals whose hides are thin enough that pointed sticks had been doing an adequate job for years.

Who the hell on the national stage is seriously considering repealing the National Firearms Act of 1934 or the Cop-Killer Bullet Ban of 1986????

Answer: NOBODY. You appear to have fallen for some gun-prohibitionist lobby propaganda.


Automatic weapons have been tightly controlled under the Title 2/Class III provisions of the National Firearms Act since 1934, and Kevlar-piercing handgun bullets (the "Teflon coated" bullets you refer to, though Teflon had nothing to do with it) were banned by Federal law in 1986. I can cite the relevant statutes and provide legislative history if you want. All hunting rifles will penetrate Kevlar like it's Saran Wrap, so the ban only applies to handgun rounds.

The "assault weapon" bait-and-switch covered only CIVILIAN firearms--pistols and rifles that hold more than 10 rounds, shotguns that hold more than 5 rounds, and rifles and shotguns with the stock shaped in a non-19th-century way. Military automatic weapons like M16's and actual AK-47's are restricted by the National Firearms Act.



Also get it through your head that at least 1 in 4 Dems nationwide owns guns, and in swing states the percentage is considerably higher. Only about half of all gun owners are repubs. That means half of gun owners are NOT repubs.

[MrBenchley]

18. So what? It's not like they're any fucking help

since all they do is parrot right wing propaganda.....

[benEzra]

20. Nice way to dodge the point...

No one is seriously trying to repeal the National Firearms Act OR the 1986 ban on armor-piercing handgun ammunition. Anyone trying to convince people that those two issues have anything to do with the gun control issue as it stands in 2006 is flat wrong.

If pointing out that a 71-year-old Federal law is, indeed, Federal law, constitutes "right wing propaganda," you are operating under an unusual definition of both terms.

[MrBenchley]

22. No dodging there at all....

Every gun owner online forum drips with racist and dishonest dittohead rubbish, and the major gun owner's groups are basically propaganda arms for the GOP. Either that's just hunky dory to pro-gun Democrats, or there ain't enough of them to be noticeable.

[AGKISTRODON]

26. REACTION!

Could this "rubbish" just be reaction to "rubbish" coming from this side?

[MrBenchley]

29. Right wing idiocy

They don't need anything from this side to show what turds they are.

"Guns entered national politics in the 1970s. What is called the gun rights movement sprang into motion against a waning civil rights movement and a growing push for women's rights. One organizer of gun rights from the early '70s put it bluntly when I interviewed him. Conservatives were taking a beating. Something was needed to "reverse the flow in the pipes" of the civil rights movement. The social movements based on the rights of women and minorities had bolstered the Democratic Party. Conservatives who had fought against the gains of civil rights and the Equal Rights Amendment needed to counter. Enter the gun.
And when the gun spoke, it championed the cause of conservative and libertarian America. A proxy politics, the gun rights movement is a potent reaction to the social and political agendas of what is perceived as "liberal America." It takes aim at a range of social solutions for crime, international conflict and personal security. In America, the gun has become a litmus test for political beliefs. "

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/176458_focus06.html

[MrBenchley]

19. There's a BIG overlap between the bigots and the gun nuts...

The NRA has a bunch of shitheads with associations to white supremacist groups on its board...AS WELL AS racist imbecile Ted Nugent.

The second largest gun owners group, the Gun Owners of America, is headed by a specimen named Larry Pratt, a racist so vile that even Pat Buchanan had to flee his company when it came to light that he was on the Buchanan for President campaign team.

Pretty much every gun owners online forum is filled with bigoted gibberish.

The gun lobby has created a bunch of astroturf groups just to hide their bigotry. For example, the phony gay gunowners group has an enemies list that includes Anne Heche, Barbra Streisand, Rosie O'Donnell and Barney Frank, but onits Fred Phelps, James Dobson and the like entirely.

Check out any racist or bigoted group in the country and you'll find they're all spouting this bogus "gun rights" rhetoric. Conversely, just about every group working for tolerance and equality ended up on the NRA's enemies list.

[benEzra]

21. The irony is, of course, that by categorizing the 25% or more of Dems

who own guns as skinhead racist KKK wannabes, you yourself are engaging in bigotry.

I'm not a repub, I'm not a skinhead, and I'm not a racist. Categorizing me, whom you've never even met, as the above simply because I own guns you don't like, pretty much fits the definition of bigotry.

big·ot n.

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot

"Get the hell out of my party, gun-loving scum" is quite an intolerant mentality, after all...

[MrBenchley]

23. The hilarity is that our "pro gun democrats" don't say "boo"

when actual bigotry of the sort that's common in gun nut circles occurs....but want to portray themselves as a poor put-upon minotrity....

Ted Nugent, perhaps America's most notable public racist, is on the board of the NRA. Is there any "pro gun democrat" who has said boo about it? Not that I've ever seen.

Larry Pratt, a racist so foul that even Pat Buchanan had to run away from him, heads the Gun Owners of America. Are there any "pro gun democrats" calling for his ouster? Nope.

[AGKISTRODON]

27. Not an NRA member

I don't get to vote, or complain. Maybe I should sign up, but then, of course, that would piss you off!

[MrBenchley]

28. You can only complain about the Klan's racism if you're a Klansman?

Weird view you have of society there.

[AGKISTRODON]

30. Why do you assume?

Why do you assume that I am lily white, and that I have not done my fair share of "complaining"?
The only thing you know about me is what I've told you; I own guns, and hunted in my younger days. From there, you go off assuming that I am a rich, greedy, bigoted, eats babies for breakfast, no account, SOB!
I will try not to make assumptions about you, but, there is this, of course!

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity”
SIGMUND FREUD

[MrBenchley]

31. I'm just following your "logic" or whatever the fuck it is

"I will try not to make assumptions about you"
Says the bobo who assumed that I gave a crap whether or not you joined the NRA.

[AGKISTRODON]

32. "Bobo"?

Wow, wanna try some more ad hominems?

[MrBenchley]

24. Here's a gun nut announcing gun owners hate the civil rights movement

and distrust the Democrats because we're not a bunch of bigoted fuckwits....

"For 35 years, ever since the Democratic Party got its liberal reputation from the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War, Democratic candidates for statewide office in Arkansas have needed to establish their culturally conservative bona fides by killing something, or at least taking serious aim at it."

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2004/08/12/JohnBrummett/272800.html

Guess he knows his fellow trigger-happy loons pretty well....