Rove and company already predicting Hillary will lose in 08

[bigdarryl]

Read this crap in Bill Sammons upcoming book http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3ws.htm BUT they may be wrong according to Lichtman http://www.allanlichtman.com/keys/2008

[burythehatchet]

1. WHat office do they think Hill is running for

cuz it sure won't be preznit.

[BattyDem]

2. When exactly did Hillary become the nominee?

:eyes:

[liberal N proud]

3. Rove probably has the votes counted already at Diebold

[Algorem]

4. Karl "Pretty in Orange" Rove?

[Writer]

5. Rove is like a little boy who needs to control EVERYTHING.

I sense a bit of desperation in Karl. He seems so badly to need to write the entire script for 2008 (maybe because he knows he's failing for 2006?) I do feel like he's propagandizing us, however. I think in another year Rove will be irrelevent. I think we ought to ignore him and continue to do what we think is right for our own party, Hillary or not.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. Lots of egomaniacs in this administration.

[bowens43]

6. I agree completely.

If Hillary gets the nomination, she will lose. No one could do more to motivate the republican base the Hillary.

[spotbird]

16. Or the independents or

many Democrats.

It's hard to think of a Republican she'd defeat, no matter how much worse things get.

[Mythsaje]

7. And who do they believe she'll be running against?

Like it matters.

I don't like Hillary, but I'd vote for her over ANY Rethug.

[MasonJar]

8. Sounds like Rove and Co. are beginning to worry about Hil.

[TomInTib]

10. "We will provide the reality". Classic Atwater/Rove....

Defining the issue before it becomes an issue.

That way, if the Dems nominate someone else it's because "Her party has lost faith in her" and hammer that in her next Senatorial race.

They need to use Hillary's image to keep the hatred of the Base focused.

[whalerider55]

11. the prersidency as an entitlement

the pugs want hillary to be the nominee so bad they are creaming in their dung-besotted trousers.

the reality is that she is a strong, bright woman, who appeals to some of the democratic base, some independnets, and very few of the republican base. they know the primary on the dem side will be stormy, and that even if there was some sort of dem agreement to unite behind a single candidate, hillary would be a non-starter to win.

this is why i don't support her candidacy, for what little it is worth.

her support of the iraq war, still, puts her squarely in the camp of Joe Lieberman. it doesn't make any frickin' sense. she hasn't lead on this issue, she's fled.

but don't take my word for it, tho. that isn't what i fear. kevin phillips talks about this in his book on the bush family history. phillips is a profoundly thoughtful, very conservative (you know, when that word had a coherent meaning)commentator; he has very publicly opposed W because of what he fears is the dilution of the executive into what is essentially an entitlement for a select few.

think about it. bush one for four years. clinton 1 for eight. bush two for eight. then clinton 2 (or even bush 3?) for four/eight more years? that means that the white house has would have been essentially divided between two families for 20 years even before the '08 election.

that is a problem that transcends politics, and speaks to the fragility of democracy itself. Even if I was a fan, and I do like much of where Hillary has been (health care, education) I just can't bring myself to strain democracy by turning the presidency into an entitlement.

it frightens me. jeb bush running frightens me. the issue for me here, about hillary, goes way beyond what might be politically right for the moment, versus the impact it might have in hastening the balance of power and the role of the people, as compro0mised as it now is, to participate in the choice of the leaders.

she might make a better president than bill clinton. we already know my hamster would make a better president than *. but not in '08. not in '08.

whalerider

[aquart]

12. I love the way they choose our candidates for us.

What helpful felons.

[applegrove]

13. Rove & Company are already framing her as a "looser". Because

she got alot of sympathy for being married to the big dog & staying married to him because the conversation was so great & so interesting - and that is what love is for her. Lots of people respected her for that. It finally humanized her.

[Cassandra]

14. They must have just finished...

programming the Diebold machines.

[Lost-in-FL]

15. What's so bad about voting for Hillary?

Generally speaking, voting for Hillary in 2008 seem better than a Nader vote on 2000 elections.

[wisteria]

26. What's so bad about Hillary, ask yourself why you think she

REALLY wants to be President.

[rolleitreks]

17. She will, if she runs. n/t

[spotbird]

19. We do tend to elect the losers in the primary

there must be a way to select candidates who can win in the general.

[slingsam]

18. Constitutionally speaking..

Can Hillary nominate Bill....to be Vice President?

[The Wielding Truth]

20. 2008..... Will we still have elections?

[Connie_Corleone]

21. Deja Vu. Same crap happened in 2003-2004.

The Republicans never change their playbook. And why should they? It works so well against the Democrats.

[HeeBGBz]

22. They sure are hot for Hillary, aren't they?

Has that been fixed already? We don't get to choose who to run?

[formernaderite]

23. unfortunately the polls show alot of dems

willing to vote for her in the primary. Of course no one else has really committed to running, except Biden and Hillary trumps Biden in everyone's book.

[wisteria]

25. Don't take these polls so seriously. It's to early to say how other

Dem's will vote at this point. They have been exposed to the name, but not so much the person behind the name. Time will tell, if her so called popularity will hold-up.

[wisteria]

24. Face it. Hillary is going to attempt to run in 2008. All things indicate

this. Her husband promoting her,the aggressive fund raising for a NY race that she is a shoe in to win,(the money raised now and not used can be applied to and used for a run in 2008),the attempts to gain media attention on "tough" middle of the road issues and issues pertaining to national security. Her "tough"talk regarding President Bush.
I think those of us who are not thrilled about Hillary need to start considering how to counter her in the primaries.

[underpants]

27. Running out and declaring victory -the usual M.O.

Mission Accomplished.

[lojasmo]

28. If Clinton gets the Dem. nomination she will lose

in the general elections.

Please save this post, and mark my words.

I called it with Kerry in June of 2003 I would wager on this (I don't bet if there is any chance of losing)

[iconoclastNYC]

29. If the DLC annoints Hillary I'm done with the party

In 2004 the DLC got the other candidates in the race to gang up on Dean to stop his candidacy at all costs. They feared him because they didn't play by the DLC's rules.

If this happens again in 2008 then I'm done with the party.

[rniel]

30. Well he's right

sorry, but if hillary get the nomination it's over.