Well I Like and Support Hillary

[Zapatero]

She is my senator and she doing a fine job. Keep bashing her, you only give republicans more strength. Yes she voted for the war, yes she voted for the patriot act, just like 98% of the other senators. I will support her if she does decide to run. She will make a fine President and clean up the Bush mess.

[Tom Joad]

1. An kill lots of Iraqis and Iranians and many others....

[The Magistrate]

3. That Is Rather Overblown, Sir

"Once you have gilded it, it no longer is a lily."

[Aaaargh]

17. Really? How so?

You've heard, haven't you, that a whole bunch of people have been killed over in Iraq over the last three years, in a military occupation which Sen. Clinton pointedly supports the continuation of -- according to Bush himself, over 30,000, and far more according to more reliable sources; and that the Senator has also suggested that military action should be taken against Iran if they pursue a nuclear program which may not even involve the creation of weapons?

The post you're responding to, in so snooty and dismissive a fashion, is about the MASS KILLING of human beings. What's that got to do with gilding lilies?

[Tom Joad]

21. One could also take into account the hundreds of thousands killed

while her husband were president, which she supported. The killing of thousands by sanctions was one of the most memorable actions of the Clinton administration.

Domestically, we can remember the signing of the anti-welfare bill, the push for unFree Trade that made thousands poor, especially abroad.

[Aaaargh]

22. All too true, Tom nt

[radio4progressives]

26. Social Genocide

[sui generis]

2. wrong.

republicans voting for republicans give republicans more strength, nothing else.

Your speech was reminiscent of us being accused of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" by not agreeing with the president.

The fair thing is, lets see everyone's cards on the table, and then decide.

[Tom Joad]

8. Exactly, Sui.

Same Freeper logic. "giving aid to Republicans"

The strange logic is, oppose Republican policies advanced by dems somehow advances Republican Party ambitions is ludicrous.

"Oppose bombing of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq advanced the terrorist cause!"
Try figuring that out! I can't.

[Township75]

51. Awesome response!

!

[Jacobin]

4. Wow. What an endorsement:

"She's as bad as the other ones."

Maybe you should send that in as a suggested campaign slogan

[radio4progressives]

27. !

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[election_2004]

41. LOL!!!

"She's as bad as the other ones."

I'm totally mass-producing some campaign buttons with that slogan on it, for the Hillaristas to pass out in 2008. :)

[TankLV]

38. Good one.

She may be a competant Senator, but I would/could NEVER vote for her for President because of her stance on trying to out warmonger the repukes.

What is she thinking?

It would be bad enough if she were just pandering for position to avoid being labeled "liberal" (god forbid).

But she actually seems to believe half the crap she's spewing lately.

That is outrageous and unforgivable in my book.

[mdmc]

5. I think that our next president will be leaps and bounds above w.

Are you going to carry petitions for Hillary's reelection this year? I am, but I would also like to carry petitions for anti-war, anti-death penalty, anti-drug war candidates. I know that Hillary is unbeatable, but I would like to offer the voters in NYS a choice during the primary. What is your opinion on this issue? Peace and low stress, mdmc

[Trajan]

6. I did not agree with her votes ....

But I will vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic Party nominee .... all other arguments aside ....

Nice to see you, Magistrate, btw ..... I hope family and health are good ....

[MuseRider]

7. Only giving the republicans

more strength? Goodness, I think I have heard that somewhere before. :shrug:

Sorry, IMO the only people giving republicans more strength are our democrats who vote with them.

[quisp]

9. I know too many people who are fed up with Bush but

won't vote for Hillary.

I'm a yellow dog Dem from way back and if she get the nod I'll vote for her, but she isn't my first choice (she's not even my fifth choice)

[Placebo]

10. Amen!

:patriot: Hillary '08 :patriot:

[PBass]

11. Hillary can win. Don't believe that she can't.

If you don't like her, that's okay, no skin off my nose. She's not my first choice either (I'd rather see her run as VP).

She is definitely electable. She's a moderate, and that does have a wide appeal.

Clinton did vote to give Bush the power to wage war in Iraq, but that vote was made under false pretenses (that the vote was needed to put pressure on Iraq). Bush picked up the ball and ran with it, more than anyone expected it (Bush was already making war plans and secretly bombing strategic tagets in Iraq well before the vote was taken).

[Zapatero]

12. You Hit It On the Head

She is moderate. That is the only way we can take the country back.

[sendero]

28. Why in the hell..

... would we want to nominate a candidate that has had a 15 year smear campaign, a rather successful one I might add, run against her?

Exactly what is GOOD about Hillary? What has she accomplished?

Really, if Hillary is the best we can do, I won't bother going to the polls, she's only 10% better than a fucking slimy Republican.

[imlost]

62. She is not seen as a moderate!

She is labeled a liberal and votes for moderate platforms when she is trying to look like a moderate.
She is willing to do whatever will get her a vote vs. what she believes in.
This is the picture non-democrats see of her. My thoughts!

Her husband was also this way but unfortunately unlike her husband she doesn't have his charisma.

[El Fuego]

14. No she can't, because of the electoral system.

She could never win Florida. Without Florida, we are screwed yet again.

[enough already]

15. She can't win Ohio either.

There isn't a single red state she can turn. Someone in this party better realize soon that she doesn't have Bill's political skills, charm and campaign abilities before she leads over a cliff. She can't win.

[El Fuego]

16. That's the reality.

Bill was able to get the "good ole boy" vote, which made the difference. We all know that will never happen with Hillary.

[HughBeaumont]

54. This is what I've been saying to the Shillarys all along:

Name ONE Red State she'd turn. NAME ONE. To the contrary, we'd actually be in danger of losing PA, MI and WI, were she the nominee.

One actually suggested she'd turn Ohio, Florida AND Virginia. I asked that person what color the sky is in their little world while I was doubled over laughing.

I'd never vote for a person who not only supports the Iraq Oil Grab, but also supports job offshoring and buys into the "rising tide lifts all boats" bullshit. I cannot in all conscience support a woman who favors the destruction of one middle class to lift another.

[Minnesota Libra]

13. I'm not sure I like everything about Hillary but I RESPECT HER and......

......she has learned the rules the big boys play by and has learned how to use those same rules against them. MOST OF ALL Hillary Clinton knows when to back off for now only to come back and fight another day. People don't so much dislike Hillary Clinton as they fear Hillary Clinton.

[SeaBob]

18. Hillary

is there anybody else you would support besides hillary

[Zapatero]

25. Hillary is my Senator

and I would support her if she is nominated. I also like Russ Feingold, Clark, Gore and Kerry. I really would not support Joe Biden. I must confess I would love a woman to be the next president. Boxer is also a good choice.

[laugle]

60. Hill and Bill in 2008! They kick-ass and know how to win elections!!

2 for the price of one!!!

[elizm]

19. I like Hillary too....

...but she cannot win.

[election_2004]

20. How would Hillary help the Dems' "50-state-strategy"

No one has really answered that yet...

[MrBenchley]

23. You and me both....

[AtomicKitten]

32. you and me and me

[Andromeda]

44. Me three...

[MrBenchley]

48. She seems like a strong candidate in every way

[nicktom]

24. I disagree,

I feel she has been exposed to be the ultimate politician, I can not forgive her vote for the war, period. As much as I would love to have Bill back in the Whitehouse we need someone with true convictions in charge not someone playing politics to get elected.

[Seeker30]

29. She definitely wouldnt be my first choice but

just to see Bill back in the White House would seal the deal for me. Maybe then Rush would have a heart attack.

[moobu2]

30. I love Hillary Clinton…

She isn’t going to run for president though, so, the Hillary haters here are just wasting their time.

She'd make a great president.

[IndianaGreen]

31. How could Hillary "clean up the Bush mess" that she supported

when she voted for PATRIOT, PATRIOT extension, Iraq war, Iran resolution, Syria resolution, and has been silent of NSA wiretaps of Americans, torture, concentration camps, etc?

[TankLV]

39. Stop with the facts!

Your ruining their illusion!

[AJH032]

59. there's more to life than 2 issues

and being silent on something doesn't indicate support. Additionally, you're leaving out many many other issues that affect my life and millions of other lives across the country.

[SaveElmer]

33. You can count me in as well...nt

[Atman]

34. It isn't just Bush's mess anymore

Hillary helped create it, and has helped it get messier. She has had ample opportunity to speak out and act out against Bush's idiocy, but instead she just keeps going along to get along. That sure doesn't inspire me as a voter.

But if she is the dem nominee, I'll certainly support her over any Republican.

[moobu2]

36. Senators or any elected officials

Job is to represent the people who elected them. Evidently, most of Hillary’s constituents supported the war in Iraq and strongly support the “war on Terror” and other things she’s voted for. New York was attacked and they have a large Jewish population so I’m not surprised they might strongly support security issues.

That’s just the way it (usually) works. Hillary represents her district in New York not me here in Alabama.

[TankLV]

40. Just like the "good Germans".

Spare us from our own version of the "good German".

I'll spend my time in the resistance, giving aid and comfort to those who are fighting the creeping fascism, thankyouverymuch.

[Nutmegger]

35. Oh for god's sake

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[wisteria]

37. Well, I hope you come to your senses and change your mind! n/t

[mvd]

42. I'll also support her

She is on the liberal side, even after moving to the center. I think if she becomes President, she'll move back to the left. That said, she's not my #1 choice, as I see her as a gamble at this point.

[Tom Joad]

58. I think the Iranian people would much rather see "liberal" bombs

rather than reactionary ones. Just like in vietnam... Johnson's napalm, scorched earth polices, annhilation of villages was much more humane than Nixon's.

[Neil Lisst]

43. everyone gets to say YAY for their candidate

I suppose there's a loosely constructed list in my head of the candidates for 08, but I find most 08 discussions distractive of the primary goal, the 06 elections.

That said, anyone who wants to trumpet their candidate is fine by me.

[Skittles]

45. doing what everyone else does in no excuse

none whatsoever

[election_2004]

46. Oh, but remember, she's a "tough cookie"...

Keep in mind, she won't "let" the media or the RW define her.
Plus she has the secret password to disable Diebold.
:eyes:

[mrgorth]

47. We'd lose 48 states. Good luck.

[itcfish]

49. Listen!

After Bush finishes destroying this nation, even Rush Limbaugh would vote for Hillary. It is a no brainer. If she is nominated, I will support her.

[mrgorth]

55. Are you nuts?

We're only a year past Bush winning the popular vote and most of these people would vote for Bush over Hillary FOR A THIRD TERM EVEN IF HE BUNKS IT UP WORSE!

48 states. Mark my words. Hillary will lose us everything so we'd better figure something else the fuck out.

[mtnsnake]

56. hahaha, the only way she loses 48 states is in a mock vote on DU

and even then I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Funny how all the people from the other side are so worried to death that she'll be our next president that they can't sleep at night just thinking about it. I wonder why that is....

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[mtnsnake]

63. Wow, THAT'S original. Catchy, too! Never heard that one used before!

You must be witty, eh, to come up with such a clever phrase as that one. Maybe you're a songwriter? A rapper? That's it, I'll bet you're a famous rapper who's posting on DU under the alter ego of mrgorth. That's gotta be it! Are you really Eminem by any chance?

BTW, how about some references to back up your wild claims that Hillary would lose 48 states, other than just spouting garbage as if it's fact. I can't wait to see them!

[ShortnFiery]

50. I also like and support Hillary BUT

only when she continues to function as a NY Democratic Senator.

The DLC Democrats and their cronies best learn well and learn early that many of us true liberals will not vote for her in either the primaries, or the general Presidential election.

That disgusting ... swaggering ... war hawk type posture is very unbecoming for anyone who considers themself a democrat.

[mtnsnake]

52. Hear hear! At the very least, until someone else better comes along,

she'll have my support, too! Hopefully for all of us, someone else will come along that knocks of all off our feet, but for the time being, Hillary is the one to beat (so they say).

One thing with Hillary, if she does get the nomination, she'll fight like a junkyard dog to win. There won't be any hesitations by her when the campaign gets negative. Throw a stone at her and she'll return the favor with a brick!

[DanCa]

53. In t he end it's all about the supreme court.

If she wins the primairy I will vote for her because I shudder at the thought of Bill Frist picking two or more judges. However I just think that theyre are four candidates who are more electable than she is right now. THese are Gore Kerry Clark and Feingold, in no particular order. I am not knocking her creditentials, I just want a safer bet because the supreme court is too important to take a chance on.

[msgadget]

61. That's the same as saying complaining about the president or the war

stengthens terrorists, isn't it? Even this president said '...dissent is patriotic'...